2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Akesh · 19-08-2020 12:27PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

There was zero damage to the gate when the Mccloskeys pulled out their guns.

Hence, the claim the Mccloskeys pulled out their guns because they were terrified due to "rioting" in their neighbourhood and damage to the gate is utterly false.

Yes, they had nothing to be fearful of, not large groups illegally entering a private road in the context of BLM rioting across the US including St. Louis. The McCloskeys must have damaged the gate themselves, right?

No reason to be fearful? :pac:

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 12:29PM

Akesh wrote: »

Yes, they had nothing to be fearful of, not large groups illegally entering a private road in the context of BLM rioting across the US including St. Louis. The McCloskeys must have damaged the gate themselves, right?

No reason to be fearful? :pac:

imagine being afraid of something that hadn't happened yet. and the road wasn't private. putting a gate across it doesn't make it private.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:30PM

Akesh wrote: »

Yes, they had nothing to be fearful of, not large groups illegally entering a private road in the context of BLM rioting across the US including St. Louis. The McCloskeys must have damaged the gate themselves, right?

No reason to be fearful? :pac:

Except it's been proven that this didn't happen, you can repeat it all you like but it doesn't make it any more truthful.

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 12:31PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

imagine being afraid of something that hadn't happened yet. and the road wasn't private. putting a gate across it doesn't make it private.

Why do you think they came out with guns then ? What do you think was the logic in their heads that made them do that ?

Carfacemandog · 19-08-2020 12:31PM

So in summary:

1. Peaceful protesters pass through a gate while causing zero damage.

2. This gate leads from a public street, to a public street. Neither is on private property.

3. In response to peaceful protesters passing by their home, the Mccloskeys pull out guns and point them directly at said peaceful protesters.

4. Trump supporters clamor to claim they did it because the protesters were rioting - which they weren't. Then try to claim the protesters damaged the gate - they didn't. Then try to make out that the protesters were trespassing - which they also weren't. All the while supporting the couple that looked to escalate the situation into a potentially armed conflict because people had the audacity to walk by their house chanting.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:32PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why do you think they came out with guns then ? What do you think was the logic in their heads that made them do that ?

Uppity black people on their "private" Road, how dare they.

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 12:33PM

Akesh wrote: »

Yes, they had nothing to be fearful of, not large groups illegally entering a private road in the context of BLM rioting across the US including St. Louis. The McCloskeys must have damaged the gate themselves, right?

No reason to be fearful? :pac:

The McCloskeys defence is that they came out with guns because rioters broke down the gate and were attempting to access their property.

That is a lie - No Ifs, No Buts, No Maybes.

What happened to the gate after that is entirely secondary to the McCloskeys defence.

They lied about the reason they came out with guns - Missouri has "the Castle doctrine" in their laws which allows the use of force in defence of property. But as no one actually entered their property, that does not apply here.

And again - It's NOT a private road , the McCloskeys would just like it to be.

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 12:33PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Uppity black people on their "private" Road, how dare they.

Except some of those protestors are white...

I knew well it would be drilled down to a race thing, its always got to be about race with the left

Carfacemandog · 19-08-2020 12:34PM

Akesh wrote: »

Yes, they had nothing to be fearful of, not large groups illegally entering a private road in the context of BLM rioting across the US including St. Louis. The McCloskeys must have damaged the gate themselves, right?

No reason to be fearful? :pac:

I don't know who damaged the gate, but it wasn't damaged when the Mccloskeys pulled guns out on these peaceful protesters - and its all in video. Also, their being on public property (which that road was) is not trespassing. And to think, you were accusing others of lying.

Feel free to keep digging, though.

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 12:34PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why do you think they came out with guns then ? What do you think was the logic in their heads that made them do that ?

you're assuming it was logic. they seem like basically very angry people.

BattleCorp · 19-08-2020 12:37PM

I'd have done the same as the McCloskeys if I was in their shoes.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:37PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Except some of those protestors are white...

I knew well it would be drilled down to a race thing, its always got to be about race with the left

The fact is the protesters did nothing wrong.

And again, Just because I don't agree with you and point out that you are wrong does not make me "left".

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 12:39PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd have done the same as the McCloskeys if I was in their shoes.

absolutely 100% , those protests that turn into riots at a moments notice are intimidating as hell, thank god for the right to defend laws they had available to them.

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 12:39PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Why do you think they came out with guns then ? What do you think was the logic in their heads that made them do that ?

Same logic that made him come out of his house and point a gun at a neighbour walking on a section of public green that he seems to believe is his.

The McCloskeys have filed at least two “quiet title” suits asserting squatter’s rights on land they’ve occupied openly and hostilely — their terms — and claimed as their own. In an ongoing suit against Portland Place trustees in 2017, the McCloskeys say they are entitled to a 1,143-square-foot triangle of lawn in front of property that is set aside as common ground in the neighborhood’s indenture.

It was that patch of green protesters saw when they filed through the gate. Mark McCloskey said in an affidavit that he has defended the patch before by pointing a gun at a neighbor who had tried to cut through it.

So , he'll point a gun at anyone on his "property" they don't even have to be black "rioters"

To quote Farmer Parmer from Viz

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Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:40PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd have done the same as the McCloskeys if I was in their shoes.

do you often point a gun at people walking past your house?

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 12:41PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Same logic that made him come out of his house and point a gun at a neighbour walking on a section of public green that he seems to believe it his.

So , he'll point a gun at anyone on his "property" they don't even have to be black "rioters"

To quote Farmer Parmer from Viz

there we go so, its not a race thing, the guy is just mad for his 2nd amendment rights.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:41PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

absolutely 100% , those protests that turn into riots at a moments notice are intimidating as hell, thank god for the right to defend laws they had available to them.

Why? What would have happened if they didn't have those rights? They pointed weapons at people peacefully passing by there house, seems like a scummy thing to do really.

19-08-2020 12:45PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

absolutely 100% , those protests that turn into riots at a moments notice are intimidating as hell, thank god for the right to defend laws they had available to them.

So far you haven't established these protesters were rioters. You just seem perpetually outraged more because of what the protests represents tbh. Don't remember you being so vocal when anti lockdown protesters showed up outside of a governor's residence with guns...

BattleCorp · 19-08-2020 12:45PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

do you often point a gun at people walking past your house?

Nope. I've never pointed any of my guns at a person. Ever.

But if I was over in the States, and in similar circumstances to the McCloskeys, I doubt I'd think twice about it if I felt my life or property was under threat.

You can't compare Ireland to the States because the BLM riots/protesting/looting/whatever you want to call it isn't happening here.

It also wasn't people just walking past the house, it was a protest. And there is plenty of evidence to show that many protests turned violent so you can't blame the McCloskey's for being scared.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:46PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Nope. I've never pointed any of my guns at a person. Ever.

But if I was over in the States, and in similar circumstances to the McCloskeys, I doubt I'd think twice about it if I felt my life or property was under threat.

You can't compare Ireland to the States because the BLM riots/protesting/looting/whatever you want to call it isn't happening here.

What circumstances were they in? How was their life or property under threat?

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 12:47PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Nope. I've never pointed any of my guns at a person. Ever.

But if I was over in the States, and in similar circumstances to the McCloskeys, I doubt I'd think twice about it if I felt my life or property was under threat.

You can't compare Ireland to the States because the BLM riots/protesting/looting/whatever you want to call it isn't happening here.

i call it protesting because that is what it was. there was no looting or rioting. there was no threat to life or property.

Tea drinker · 19-08-2020 12:48PM

Angry crowd who smashed gate = peaceful protestors
We've seen many many videos of of peacful riots and heartwarming scenes of destroyed neighbourhoods. Why would anyone be afraid of a large group of people?

Carfacemandog · 19-08-2020 12:49PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

there we go so, its not a race thing, the guy is just mad for his 2nd amendment rights.

It's beginning to look like you're just sh*t posting at this point, to be honest.

You're still also avoiding fake news on opposition to Susan B. Anthony fake news you were spreading earlier I see. This is what people meant yesterday about you refusing to engage in any refutations of the nonsense you post sometimes. You denied it and played the victim about being asked to defend things trump said you never opined on. So go ahead and tell us why if you were duped by fake news, or if you were intentionally spreading it, because I am asking about what you posted, as have others, but you seem to be avoiding answering.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-08-2020 12:49PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Angry crowd who smashed gate = peaceful protestors
We've seen many many videos of of peacful riots and heartwarming scenes of destroyed neighbourhoods. Why would anyone be afraid of a large group of people?

Except this argument falls apart when it has already been proven beyond doubt that he pointed the gun at people on a public road who had walked through an open and undamaged gate.

Leroy42 · 19-08-2020 12:50PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'd have done the same as the McCloskeys if I was in their shoes.

And that is fine as it stands.

but there is no need to lie about the protestors, try to paint as rioters or trespassing or having damaged property.

They over reacted, and I can understand with tensions rising, not helped by Trump it must be said, that they felt under risk, but now that we all know that none of that is true then treating them as heroes, to be welcomed onto the stage of the GOP convention is really odd.

Billy Mays · 19-08-2020 12:50PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Except some of those protestors are white...

I knew well it would be drilled down to a race thing, its always got to be about race with the left

When you post day after day after day giving out about black and brown people, even calling for some of them to be murdered, you really shouldn't be surprised if people come to the conclusion it's a race thing

Carfacemandog · 19-08-2020 12:51PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Angry crowd who smashed gate = peaceful protestors
We've seen many many videos of of peacful riots and heartwarming scenes of destroyed neighbourhoods. Why would anyone be afraid of a large group of people?

The video of the gate in pristine condition when the Mccloskeys pulled their guns out have been shown repeatedly. Going from your post, you have been reading the thread, so you already knew that.

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 12:51PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

there we go so, its not a race thing, the guy is just mad for his 2nd amendment rights.

Nothing to do with 2nd Amendment rights and more to do with specious claims of property rights.

So - At a time when the Pandemic and the response to it is the single most important issue for Americans , Trump thinks that having a solid gold arsehole who likes to wave guns at people who come anywhere near property he thinks he owns as a guest speaker at his parties National convention is a great idea.

Like I said earlier - Which "personal story" is likely to have greater impact ?

The woman talking about her fathers death from Covid at the Democrat convention or the Rich Bully talking about how poor people shouldn't be allowed to walk past his house?

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 01:01PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Angry crowd who smashed gate = peaceful protestors
We've seen many many videos of of peacful riots and heartwarming scenes of destroyed neighbourhoods. Why would anyone be afraid of a large group of people?

we have already established that the protesters did not smash the gate.

duploelabs · 19-08-2020 01:09PM

Funny how a lot of the trumpeters are harping back to situation in Saint Louis, thus directing away direction about the lackluster report on the senate investigation in to the Russian influence on the 2016 election

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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