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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #6542
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Considering schools are reopening, should they not include children treated in hospitals as inpatients and in A/E with covid19 in the breakdown of numbers. Yes there won't be many of them but will give us some smidgen of an idea of spread amongst children.


  • #6543
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Living Off The Splash wrote: »
    But who decides this? They don't have to give personal details.
    Doctors would anyway on the grounds of confidentiality but if even the slightest possibility of identification exist it becomes a part of a much bigger total. We had in the east, south etc., in the early days.
    Why are they advising people not to use public transport. Is there something that they are not telling us?
    Not really. It's part of that limit your contacts message along with asking companies to allow people to WFH


  • #6544
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    Do they think that Schools is some magic place where the virus wont spread.

    Teachers over 50 must be concerned seems there are under big pressure to go back.
    It makes no sense to not allow people go the sports events outdoors up to 19 times less risk but schools are going back where the virus will spread the only question is how bady it will go wrong.


  • #6545
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Living Off The Splash wrote: »
    But who decides this? They don't have to give personal details.

    Looking at a large group of Deliveroo/Just Eat delivery people congregating outside a particular restaurant in Dublin the other day just got me thinking about all the community outbreaks that are being investigated and how they are occurring.

    Why are they advising people not to use public transport. Is there something that they are not telling us?

    People are being advised against public transport as it is a number of people from different households in the same confined space.


  • #6546
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Faith Fancy Lava wrote: »
    Have a weekend away booked with friends next weekend (rescheduled from April no less). Obviously with new restrictions this isn't allowed as we'll have more than 3 people from 3 different households. Should I wait for the company who own the holiday home to cancel on me?
    Your call I'd say but Martin did encourage people to go ahead with "staycations".


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  • #6547
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Cant wait till austerity starts. :mad:

    The very people who cant do what's required will be crying for a decade about austerity.

    :rolleyes:


  • #6548
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Do they think that Schools is some magic place where the virus wont spread.

    Teachers over 50 must be concerned seems there are under big pressure to go back.
    It makes no sense to not allow people go the sports events outdoors up to 19 times less risk but schools are going back where the virus will spread the only question is how badly it will go wrong.
    No, they don't but they can control the environment, with numbers and other measures. Schools do have to open. It's less about the sports events than socialising before and after.


  • #6549
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    why investigated? why do they claim they are cases if theyre being investigated? scare mongering?

    I find the opposite. The amount of posts about how "low" community transmission is every day when in fact it has not been concluded and every day the number will end up being much larger than that reported on the day.

    https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1295984203440455682?s=20

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  • #6550
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭plodder


    tigger123 wrote: »
    It's not about money, its about staffing. While you have health care staff sitting around doing nothing waiting for an emergency to break out, other health services and patients are being neglected.
    Contact tracing doesn't need to be done by front-line clinical staff surely? Could a call centre not do it, or most of the time-consuming aspect of it at least?


  • #6551
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I find the opposite. The amount of posts about how "low" community transmission is every day when in fact it has not been concluded and every day the number will end up being much larger than that reported on the day.

    https://twitter.com/WilliamsJon/status/1295984203440455682?s=20

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    He has also said that community spread is a low proportion of cases and not the current driver of cases.


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  • #6552
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Your call I'd say but Martin did encourage people to go ahead with "staycations".

    Didn't glynn say something about not using hotels?

    The messages were so mixed I still haven't got a handle on everything, did they ever say whether the 6 rule applied to cinemas?


  • #6553
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    Just reading that the Government have to seek advice from the Attorney General regarding the enforcement powers for the Gardai.It then has to be approved by the Dail which is not due to meet until September 15.Surely this is crazy and that legislation should already be there,ready to go when new restrictions are announced.As of now people can party away in private houses uninhibited for the next four weeks.


  • #6554
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Didn't glynn say something about not using hotels?

    The messages were so mixed I still haven't got a handle on everything, did they ever say whether the 6 rule applied to cinemas?
    All I heard him say is that gyms are open but classes in them down to 6. If you read the NPHET letter it doesn't say anything about about hotels, but they are subject to distancing rules anyway.


  • #6555
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, they don't but they can control the environment, with numbers and other measures. Schools do have to open. It's less about the sports events than socialising before and after.

    There isn't socialising at our kids sport events, parents collect kids and head off.

    Most kids sports will go ahead, as alot of indoor sports like gymnastics are down as businesses so can go ahead.

    Kids gaa is in pods already, not sure how matches will work though, but the government said they can behind close doors


  • #6556
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Didn't glynn say something about not using hotels?

    The messages were so mixed I still haven't got a handle on everything, did they ever say whether the 6 rule applied to cinemas?

    Surely they would be closed if that was the case. Heading on a staycation next weekend and unless they lock the county down its a road trip for us!


  • #6557
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Pretty much where we were with pubs a few weeks ago. Nobody will remember these measures but there'll be a long memory of schools not reopening. I fully expect some cases out of schools but if they've worked it out properly in individual schools that should be minimised.

    But this is the problem. Some schools have been flat out all summer trying to work out the safest way to do things. Some did a bit to save face. Some have done absolutely nothing. Parents seem to have had little or no update as to what is going on at all.


  • #6558
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Didn't glynn say something about not using hotels?

    The messages were so mixed I still haven't got a handle on everything, did they ever say whether the 6 rule applied to cinemas?
    Yes. When questioned about what the advice meant for over-70s and whether they should stay at home, he was trying to reiterate the call to limit social contacts, and inadvertently said that maybe going to a hotel instead of a rented house should be avoided.

    I cringed a bit. Summed up by someone I follow on Twitter yesterday - Glynn sounded like he was put into the position of defending measures when he had advised very different ones. He didn't sound too convincing because he wasn't convinced himself.

    Holohan always had a good way of spinning answers so that you knew what was NPHET advice and what was a government decision, and he was never forced to defend an idea he hadn't advised. Glynn is just that bit less experienced.


  • #6559
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    tigger123 wrote: »
    People are being advised against public transport as it is a number of people from different households in the same confined space.

    All wearing masks though so that should stop any potential spread


  • #6560
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    average_runner wrote: »
    There isn't socialising at our kids sport events, parents collect kids and head off.

    Most kids sports will go ahead, as alot of indoor sports like gymnastics are down as businesses so can go ahead.

    Kids gaa is in pods already, not sure how matches will work though, but the government said they can behind close doors
    Yeah, but it isn't kids that they are talking about. Cases in the sports clubs have raised flags in terms of socialising.


  • #6561
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53826957

    According to the BBC we are at 'tipping point' !!


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  • #6562
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Lillyfae wrote: »
    But this is the problem. Some schools have been flat out all summer trying to work out the safest way to do things. Some did a bit to save face. Some have done absolutely nothing. Parents seem to have had little or no update as to what is going on at all.
    No argument from me on that. Do teachers?


  • #6563
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Watched workers trudging into local meat factory earlier this morning , pretty sure they are all from Latvia. Most seemed drowned to the skin walking in from a nearby town and by the expressions on their faces looked as if they were entering prison for the day . Their cloths indicate they havent a washer but at least they are making lots of money for Larry Goodman. sad to see such a slave operation in modern day ireland.

    This needs to stop. Latvia is in the EU, they are free to leave any time they want.

    I worked with some Latvians in the IT sector, well paid, but sent the vast majority of this money back home (registered as a contractor there and paid no tax here) with the idea to retire in a few years. He now has a few properties there and has no need to work.

    Now meat packing isnt IT, but the minimum wage in Ireland is a decent salary for Latvia (where they are sending their money), they also likely arent paying any tax in Ireland (if the IT sector is to go on) - they would be in as independent contractors - which is why there are no sick days etc.

    Forcing companies to employ workers directly would likely end up costing them money as opposed to the current arrangement.

    Its not a slave operation, its people that are free to go at any point making a choice.


  • #6564
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, they don't but they can control the environment, with numbers and other measures. Schools do have to open. It's less about the sports events than socialising before and after.

    How can they. Children don't develop symptoms in most cases & probably wont socially distance either. Not enough testing
    They cant control the environment. Indoors will cause spread.

    Sports events are important for many people's mental health are outdoors 19 times safer & not caused an outbreak unlike the meat plants which are indoors.

    We will be in total lockdown now in October thanks to the insistence for schools to go back while they can do their classes online.

    I think schools should be online but have extra PE classes outdoors & have schools sports teams go ahead so they have some social interaction.


  • #6565
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Didn't glynn say something about not using hotels?

    The messages were so mixed I still haven't got a handle on everything, did they ever say whether the 6 rule applied to cinemas?

    Would trust hotels more to clean their rooms properly than an air bnb


  • #6566
    Lillyfae
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No argument from me on that. Do teachers?

    Again, patchy from what I can gather.


  • #6567
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yeah, but it isn't kids that they are talking about. Cases in the sports clubs have raised flags in terms of socialising.

    How many cases is that?


  • #6568
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stargazer 68 wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53826957

    According to the BBC we are at 'tipping point' !!
    Didn't Martin use the phrase in his speech?


  • #6569
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    average_runner wrote: »
    How many cases is that?
    Not sure, I've seen the odd story about it and there was that party in a Cork club I think.


  • #6570
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Didn't Martin use the phrase in his speech?

    Could have done - didn't watch it!


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  • #6571
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058105839

    Just putting this link here for anybody who may have some ideas or suggestions for some local lads I’m trying to help. They are personal trainers who do group classes , mostly indoors.

    They can only have 5 people which would be unsustainable and outdoors classes are a probelm with the weather. Any ideas or things you have heard would be appreciated as I’d love for them to be able to keep on working. Especially coming into the winter months where things could get hairy.


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