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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #6512
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    plodder wrote: »
    Does that specifically cover the power to enter a dwelling? There seems to be some question over that given how strong the constitutional protection is.
    Yeah that's the AG part of it. I imagine evidence of some sort may be required. The thrust of the approach IMO is really to get people to police themselves, as we've largely done so far.


  • #6513
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Less chance, but still a strong chance. I can only speak for where I work, but every year it's the people with young kids in school who get sick all the time. Once a disease gets into a school it spreads like wildfire.

    Kids are playing together anyway, why not open the schools vs. People are having house parties anyway, why not open the pubs. Its the exact same logic.

    You're preaching to the converted, I was the sponge for any bug or virus entering our house using the kids as a means of transport. Thankfully not so much of an issue anymore as they got older.

    The difference between schools/pubs is that kids will play in their own area, on their own greens, train with their own teams who for the most part are neighbours and school mates anyway. It's essentially a big community bubble.

    Pubs, you have people coming from everywhere and essentially communities mixing.


  • #6514
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They've done their work via the emergency legislation back in March. It'll be done by an SI from the minister pending review by AG.
    Appearently not this time

    "New laws will now be drafted in consultation with the Attorney General and will require approval by the Dáil, which is not due to meet until 15 September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0819/1159959-covid-19-enforcement-ag/


  • #6515
    munsterlegend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭munsterlegend


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Appearently not this time

    "New laws will now be drafted in consultation with the Attorney General and will require approval by the Dáil, which is not due to meet until 15 September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0819/1159959-covid-19-enforcement-ag/

    Going into peoples homes and stopping parties require further legislation given the constitutional issues.


  • #6516
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    munsterlegend wrote: »
    Going into peoples homes and stopping parties require further legislation given the constitutional issues.

    Yup as mentioned it now requires advice from the AG


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  • #6517
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Less chance, but still a strong chance. I can only speak for where I work, but every year it's the people with young kids in school who get sick all the time. Once a disease gets into a school it spreads like wildfire.

    Kids are playing together anyway, why not open the schools vs. People are having house parties anyway, why not open the pubs. Its the exact same logic.
    It's not really the same, pubs you can predict and control and schools but not a party where alcohol is at the heart of it and you've no idea who's coming and what they'll do.


  • #6518
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    What do you mean, managed? Many die from their illness once they end up that ill.

    Many people die from illness every day. Once the hospitals are not overwhelmed and people die for want of treatment then that is all that matters.


  • #6519
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Reality is that kids will have been mixing it up all summer anyway, either through out playing together, summer camps or sports training. I imagine the lead up to schools opening is to limit the number of community cases so that there'll be less to spread once they come together in school again.

    Many kids have been mixing but almost all of it has been outdoors. We locked down so swiftly that we don't have evidence in Ireland how the disease will spread inside our cramped and unventilated classrooms. I can't think it'll be like anything other than throwing a load of bangers into a keg of dynamite.

    For a government that has been so draconionally (sp?) cautious in most people's eyes, to throw that caution to the wind and so bullishly insist on a full reopening is utterly bizarre.

    With a phased return we could get through a school reopening to the benefit of everyone.


  • #6520
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭plodder


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Appearently not this time

    "New laws will now be drafted in consultation with the Attorney General and will require approval by the Dáil, which is not due to meet until 15 September."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0819/1159959-covid-19-enforcement-ag/
    Well that won't be a good look, if they wait until 15 September.


  • #6521
    [Deleted User]
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    lucernarian wrote: »
    Lol, what ridiculous points. You're forgetting how the outbreak happened and Xi Jinping did nothing while doctors who reported the epidemic were jailed instead. You're saying a president for life has earned his people a more prosperous life? Give me a ****ing break.

    Your points in no way contradict a single thing I wrote. In fact they are in no way relevant to what I wrote, so who knows what you are talking about


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  • #6522
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Most kids don't get sick but cases are rising and hospitalisations are rising in US.
    Shouldn't be ignored and safety needs to be paramount with schools situation.

    https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1295839136390057984?s=20

    The NPHET are due to discuss covid and children this week, probably ahead of schools. It does look like they will be pushing for schools to reopen. I don't know why. We will all be locked down again by October because of others sh1tting on the guidelines and making up their own rules. Many parents will refuse to keep their children at home with 'just the sniffles' completely forgetting the sniffles could be the start of a covid situation. The health authorities have also failed us. Other countries can get testing and results back within 24 hours, we are taking longer.


  • #6523
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    plodder wrote: »
    Well that won't be a good look, if they wait until 15 September.

    Don't the latest "measures" expire on 13 September?


  • #6524
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭plodder


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Don't the latest "measures" expire on 13 September?
    Most current measures can be renewed by a ministerial SI.


  • #6525
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Don't the latest "measures" expire on 13 September?

    I'd take that with a pinch of salt. If anything, expect further measures not a roll back.


  • #6526
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Really good thread from Elaine Doyle on the lack of clarity in our daily stats and how it relates to school reopening.
    We're trying to figure out if it's safe to start opening schools next week.

    And right now, from what I can tell, the single most useful figure for that - a rolling weekly average of community transmission in Ireland - doesn't seem to be easily and publicly available.


    https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1295883177429553153


  • #6527
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Watched workers trudging into local meat factory earlier this morning , pretty sure they are all from Latvia. Most seemed drowned to the skin walking in from a nearby town and by the expressions on their faces looked as if they were entering prison for the day . Their cloths indicate they havent a washer but at least they are making lots of money for Larry Goodman. sad to see such a slave operation in modern day ireland.


  • #6528
    [Deleted User]
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    leavingirl wrote: »
    No longer a conspiracy theory. Hitler would be proud!

    https://www.thejournal.ie/australia-covid-vaccine-5179559-Aug2020/?utm_source=twitter_short

    Oh God


  • #6529
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Don't the latest "measures" expire on 13 September?
    It seem to be a feature of this to announce then apply regulations quite some time afterwards. It was the same back in April with Harris and Garda powers. They will need time to draft legislation anyway in this case.


  • #6530
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    the corpo wrote: »
    Really good thread from Elaine Doyle on the lack of clarity in our daily stats and how it relates to school reopening.




    https://twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1295883177429553153
    That 101 come under being investigated. We've had that with these larger numbers recently.


  • #6531
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That 101 come under being investigated. We've had that with these larger numbers recently.

    why investigated? why do they claim they are cases if theyre being investigated? scare mongering?


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  • #6532
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    why investigated? why do they claim they are cases if theyre being investigated? scare mongering?
    Because they haven't determined if they are linked to current clusters, a new cluster or are random community spread at the time the figures are released daily.


  • #6533
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    copeyhagen wrote: »
    why investigated? why do they claim they are cases if theyre being investigated? scare mongering?

    I believe they mean the cause of the cases is under investigation. Not that they are cases.


  • #6534
    Living Off The Splash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That 101 come under being investigated. We've had that with these larger numbers recently.

    We often hear that there were 46 cases in Dublin etc.....but we never get a break down of where exactly in Dublin. Also do they actually know if these were transmitted by people visiting, supermarkets, hairdressers, dentists, clubs, walking the street etc

    It would be good to know.

    I was looking at a map of the cases in Hong Kong. On the map they actually give the name of the building where the case occurred. They tell if it is a case within the past 14 days or outside 14 days. They even give the job description of the person who was sick.


  • #6535
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Living Off The Splash wrote: »
    We often hear that there were 46 cases in Dublin etc.....but we never get a break down of where exactly in Dublin. Also do they actually know if these were transmitted by people visiting, supermarkets, hairdressers, dentists, clubs, walking the street etc

    It would be good to know.

    I was looking at a map of the cases in Hong Kong. On the map they actually give the name of the building where the case occurred. They tell if it is a case within the past 14 days or outside 14 days. They even give the job description of the person who was sick.

    I am not sure we want to go down that route.


  • #6536
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,820 ✭✭✭plodder


    Stephen Donnelly was on the other night about how they were caught on the hop with the current outbreaks regarding contact tracing. How is that an acceptable excuse? Surely, if it means paying people to sit around or be on on-call at half a day's notice to do this important work, it's better to pay that price.


  • #6537
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Living Off The Splash wrote: »
    We often hear that there were 46 cases in Dublin etc.....but we never get a break down of where exactly in Dublin. Also do they actually know if these were transmitted by people visiting, supermarkets, hairdressers, dentists, clubs, walking the street etc

    It would be good to know.

    I was looking at a map of the cases in Hong Kong. On the map they actually give the name of the building where the case occurred. They tell if it is a case within the past 14 days or outside 14 days. They even give the job description of the person who was sick.
    We are not Hong Kong. They'll never give data that can possibly identify people. We do get broad strokes on where they are coming from - currently mostly workplace and household spread.


  • #6538
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    I am not sure we want to go down that route.

    No doubt it will lead to stupidity similar to paediatricians being attacked for being paedophiles.


  • #6539
    all about the mane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭all about the mane


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Watched workers trudging into local meat factory earlier this morning , pretty sure they are all from Latvia. Most seemed drowned to the skin walking in from a nearby town and by the expressions on their faces looked as if they were entering prison for the day . Their cloths indicate they havent a washer but at least they are making lots of money for Larry Goodman. sad to see such a slave operation in modern day ireland.

    Shut up and eat your sausages!;)


  • #6540
    Living Off The Splash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    I am not sure we want to go down that route.

    But who decides this? They don't have to give personal details.

    Looking at a large group of Deliveroo/Just Eat delivery people congregating outside a particular restaurant in Dublin the other day just got me thinking about all the community outbreaks that are being investigated and how they are occurring.

    Why are they advising people not to use public transport. Is there something that they are not telling us?


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  • #6541
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭tigger123


    plodder wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly was on the other night about how they were caught on the hop with the current outbreaks regarding contact tracing. How is that an acceptable excuse? Surely, if it means paying people to sit around or be on on-call at half a day's notice to do this important work, it's better to pay that price.

    It's not about money, its about staffing. While you have health care staff sitting around doing nothing waiting for an emergency to break out, other health services and patients are being neglected.


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