Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Myramar wrote: »

Can you explain?

You seem to be questioning the statistics produced by the Dept of Health and the HSE.
Do you Think they are lies?.
These are the statistics from the same sources that you reproduce here on a daily basis and that represent the basis for your "informed opinions".
Are they solid statistics when you like the numbers but become "Lies" when they disagree with your narrative?

You're not from round here. is ya?

Goldengirl wrote: »

What do you mean, managed? Many die from their illness once they end up that ill.

Many older people die from this. Not many healthy people under 45 die from this.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I disagree with you.

Of course some people have 'flaunted' some of the advice at times. But I cant see that being a big factor. In any case you need to let people have some social outlet.

If someone told me you could either go along with not going out or anywhere not meeting people concerts and all the rest of it for another couple of years or else you get the virus tomorrow I'd say I might take my chances with the virus.

Take your chances, laddy

Akabusi wrote: »

Many older people die from this. Not many healthy people under 45 die from this.

If they end up in ICU with it they are not very healthy. 1 in 5 die.

My point was addressed to polesheep who seems to think that percentage that ends up in ICU can be managed? Not healthy under 45s.

timmy_mallet wrote: »

You won't get to 0 for long. If it all. And if you did, itll return. And if it does, you're hard 20 days lockdown again, and again, and again. It's been tried, it doesn't work.

The UK is having more flu and pneumonia deaths than covid, all while undergoing similar restrictions on life. It would seem that influenza and not covid might require more attention right now.

, if the UK are making a bollöcks of things.. it’s not exactly a reason to give ourselves a hall pass to go down the same road. I think the whole argument of.. “ohhh look at xxxxx, that didn’t work there” ... is a little cop out strategy, almost trying to give ourselves a hall pass because somewhere else isn’t successfully dealing with it...

The solution to the bind we are in and the work that needs to be done is on our own island, decisions... for us... by us... with our interests in mind..

Wuhan looks like a fun place right now, amazing looking pool parties over there. Fair fooks to them! the only thing they don't produce in that part of the world is empathy.

Akabusi wrote: »

I'm more worried about peoples mental health, this is going to be a dreadful winter. Higher taxes, unemployment, flu, Covid, isolation, homelessness all hitting different parts of our society. Hopefully we get a mild winter and the vaccine/treatments continue to progress.

Ah that old chestnut. People will be fine, and those that like to bang the mental health drum will bang it.

Strumms wrote: »

An awful lot of people use the ‘ mental health ‘ drum and beat it when convenient... quite apparent with covid...

Mental health has been the bane (excuse) of Ireland for a long time not just covid

Though I have an older friend who is having a real hard time with all this and especially after the announcements today - just wants to go to a bar for a few jars and chat with people with no restrictions (but isn't saying his mental health is suffering even tho I can see it is)

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People have much more individual freedom now though, and much more aspirations towards a more prosperous life. A major shock could easily turn hope to anger and that’s why the Chinese government will tread carefully. It’s also got to be remembered that it’s only 2 generations since the cultural revolution misdirected anger towards the perceived old elites to perpetrate those atrocities. The Chinese leadership have a good historical perspective and realise that as much as they want control, if the people no longer acquiesce that control could come under threat

Lol, what ridiculous points. You're forgetting how the outbreak happened and Xi Jinping did nothing while doctors who reported the epidemic were jailed instead. You're saying a president for life has earned his people a more prosperous life? Give me a ****ing break.

Myramar wrote: »

Can you explain?

You seem to be questioning the statistics produced by the Dept of Health and the HSE.
Do you Think they are lies?.
These are the statistics from the same sources that you reproduce here on a daily basis and that represent the basis for your "informed opinions".
Are they solid statistics when you like the numbers but become "Lies" when they disagree with your narrative?

190 cases weren't all from today would be his point.

It was known Monday we had additional 259 positive swabs from the previous 48 hrs of testing and only 56 cases was reported.

fritzelly wrote: »

I would like to know the reasoning behind this - it is not a one off
Are they verifying they are not double counted positives? Well the numbers always seem to match up after a few days
Is it a case of the Glynn has to sign off on the reported figures - well this hasn't just happened at the weekends
I'm trying to think of reasons as to the delay in reporting cases and coming up with nada
It all seems a bit weird we get a low reported case number then the next day in the hundreds, then we get a low case number and the next day in the hundreds again
We've had less than 100 cases per day on average the past week but 2 days of massive numbers reported (plus add in that some of these positive cases may even be historic as in not the past week but weeks ago)

As many people predicted they wanted to use the high figures as a scare tactic for yesterday's announcement. There has been inconsistencies before and people reckon it's to do with clusters, so they announce a cluster when all the results are back

fritzelly wrote: »

And it's BS if that is what they are doing - totally unfair on the general public when RTE and the ilk release the numbers and suddenly we have this massive spike to put the fear of god in to people

It's just not right.

Yeah I agree, they should announce true numbers but emphasize the weekly numbers to show people how good or bad we're doing. I'd be in the safe age and health range but those big numbers terrify me.

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar criticised his Fianna Fáil colleagues for rushing through the new measures without debating it at a Cabinet committee meeting with public health experts.

Several sources at the meeting said the Fine Gael leader said: "If we keep doing business like this, we won't be doing business for very long,"

Mr Varadkar was described as "furious" by one Cabinet source who said the party was "growing tired with the bad news constantly being announced under Fianna Fáil".

Frustrations have also been raised among Fine Gael ­ministers over the severity of the advice given by Nphet on the virus.

"You'd need a certain set of skills to deal with Nphet because anyone who can make logic of their recommendations needs to be a genius," a minister said.

"We are implementing the most draconian restrictions in Europe," another minister said.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/no-end-in-sight-as-nation-slides-towards-lockdown-39461331.html