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    #1082
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users Posts: 8,421 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    robbiezero wrote: »
    How many cases have been spread through outdoor sporting activity?

    That isn't the issue they are presenting though. They are saying that people are sharing transport to games, socialising before and after games.

    If there were clusters associated with this it would have been publicised before now.


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    #1083
    robbiezero
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    John O.Groats wrote: »
    In other words they may complain about the new rules all they want but at the end of the day they will comply with them. As they have from the start of the virus impacting this country.

    They will, but it might be a very worthwhile exercise and could ensure that they are left alone after September 13 and not seen as low hanging fruit again.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a roll back on this before Sept 13. Under age games already being cancelled all over the country.


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    #1084
    wirelessdude01
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    robbiezero wrote: »

    I wouldn't be surprised to see a roll back on this before Sept 13. Under age games already being cancelled all over the country.

    What counties?


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    #1085
    robbiezero
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    That isn't the issue they are presenting though. They are saying that people are sharing transport to games, socialising before and after games.

    If there were clusters associated with this it would have been publicised before now.

    The usual sledgehammer approach from them. Could they not have recommended masks when sharing transport etc.

    Same people sharing transport to games can go eat and drink at the same table all night anyway without travelling to games.


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    #1086
    robbiezero
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    What counties?

    Dublin have cancelled all under 12 fixtures tomorrow night. Kerry doing similar. Seen a few more also. I imagine most counties will follow suit at least for the short term.


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    #1087
    Hurrache
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    Billy Ocean wrote: »
    Good they should be challenged on such draconian measures

    Notions expecting a meeting and explanation. They should be told to with themselves and if they've any issues go through the proper channels, at least starting with a minister or public office.


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    #1088
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Notions expecting a meeting and explanation. They should be told to f off with themselves and if they've any issues go through the proper channels, at least starting with a minister or public office.

    If nothing else it would be a good PR exercise to meet with the GAA though at the end of the day it wouldn`t change any of the new rules at least during the scheduled timescale.


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    #1089
    Billy Ocean
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    Notions expecting a meeting and explanation. They should be told to f off with themselves and if they've any issues go through the proper channels, at least starting with a minister or public office.
    Possibly true but if a organisation shows you contempt why so them any respect...


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    #1090
    Hurrache
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    They're not singling any particular organisation out for contempt though.


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    #1091
    castletownman
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    Four hurling county finals in Wexford this weekend. There's no way they'll be cancelled as all credibility and fairness will go out the window.

    Good luck monitoring the crowds around town if Gorey win the senior though. Its almost encouraging mass gatherings.


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    #1092
    Billy Ocean
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    castletownman wrote: »
    Four hurling county finals in Wexford this weekend. There's no way they'll be cancelled as all credibility and fairness will go out the window.

    Good luck monitoring the crowds around town if Gorey win the senior though. Its almost encouraging mass gatherings.
    that's it I actually think today's decisions have the potential to cause public health issues( people meeting indoors to watch streams) rather than help stem the tide of rising cases...


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    #1093
    kaizersoze
    Registered Users Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    It's a safe bet that the NEPHET advice to government today was to shut down all sporting activity but it got watered down in cabinet under pressure from TDs. That's exactly what they will be told if the ACMO accepts their sarcastic invitation to a meeting (which he won't)

    The same with the 'wedding' scenario. Kept at 50 to appease the hospitality sector.

    That statement from Croke Park is a disgrace. The measures announced today is in response to a growing public health emergency of which GAA, along with other organisations, activities are a casualty. Their response is a sarcastic quip at the medical professionals trying to get to grips with it.


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    #1094
    MrMusician18
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    Billy Ocean wrote: »
    People don't mind tough decisions like this if there's logic, merit and/or common sense behind it, on all known evidence this decision lacks all 3 of the above...

    The idea is to reduce the number of mass gatherings. Like it or not, sport is the most discretionary of all the gatherings that take place. Few, if anyone, depend economically if that U11 match takes place or not - so the very first thing that's going to get the chop is sport. And rightly so. Spectator sport will be sacrificed to get schools open, which is exponentially more important.

    And the GAA has lots to answer for here, counties have effectively brought this on themselves. Of all the anti-covid measures I've seen in various businesses, sports has been by far the weakest, particularly when it comes to spectators. Looks at the streams and you see SFA distancing going on.

    The behavior is almost like "ah shur there's no one watching us, go on ahead there do what you like" as if the virus itself is in on this nod wink culture.


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    #1095
    kaizersoze
    Registered Users Posts: 7,042 ✭✭✭kaizersoze


    This!
    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    The idea is to reduce the number of mass gatherings. Like it or not, sport is the most discretionary of all the gatherings that take place. Few, if anyone, depend economically if that U11 match takes place or not - so the very first thing that's going to get the chop is sport. And rightly so. Spectator sport will be sacrificed to get schools open, which is exponentially more important.

    And the GAA has lots to answer for here, counties have effectively brought this on themselves. Of all the anti-covid measures I've seen in various businesses, sports has been by far the weakest, particularly when it comes to spectators. Looks at the streams and you see SFA distancing going on.

    The behavior is almost like "ah shur there's no one watching us, go on ahead there do what you like" as if the virus itself is in on this nod wink culture.


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    #1096
    John O.Groats
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    kaizersoze wrote: »
    It's a safe bet that the NEPHET advice to government today was to shut down all sporting activity but it got watered down in cabinet under pressure from TDs. That's exactly what they will be told if the ACMO accepts their sarcastic invitation to a meeting (which he won't)

    The same with the 'wedding' scenario. Kept at 50 to appease the hospitality sector.

    That statement from Croke Park is a disgrace. The measures announced today is in response to a growing public health emergency of which GAA, along with other organisations, activities are a casualty. Their response is a sarcastic quip at the medical professionals trying to get to grips with it.

    if this article is to be taken at face value it seems not to be the case.

    https://go.skimresources.com/?id=61111X1383796&isjs=1&jv=14.2.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D114350005&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fnew-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557&xguid=&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=46fd628ca93489cd4e954a17bf625251&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B2%5D


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    #1097
    kaizersoze
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    John O.Groats wrote: »
    if this article is to be taken at face value it seems not to be the case.

    https://go.skimresources.com/?id=61111X1383796&isjs=1&jv=14.2.0-stackpath&sref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Fp%3D114350005&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fireland%2Firish-news%2Fnew-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557&xguid=&xs=1&xtz=-60&xuuid=46fd628ca93489cd4e954a17bf625251&xjsf=other_click__contextmenu%20%5B2%5D

    Thanks. Hadn't read that article. If true, it does show a definite watering down of at least some of the ACMOs advice. Mike Ryan, I think it was, of the WHO said a few months back...Medical and public health officials give medical advice and politicians make political decisions. When the 2 start to move in different directions you'll have a problem.


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    #1098
    Billy Ocean
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    The idea is to reduce the number of mass gatherings. Like it or not, sport is the most discretionary of all the gatherings that take place. Few, if anyone, depend economically if that U11 match takes place or not - so the very first thing that's going to get the chop is sport. And rightly so. Spectator sport will be sacrificed to get schools open, which is exponentially more important.

    And the GAA has lots to answer for here, counties have effectively brought this on themselves. Of all the anti-covid measures I've seen in various businesses, sports has been by far the weakest, particularly when it comes to spectators. Looks at the streams and you see SFA distancing going on.

    The behavior is almost like "ah shur there's no one watching us, go on ahead there do what you like" as if the virus itself is in on this nod wink culture.
    an u11 match might not have economic value to you but it has plenty of wellbeing benefits physical and mental and great for the development of young boys and girls, outdoor sporting activities is probably the safest hobby or pastime outside of your home currently so to almost put a halt to alot of underage activities is unforgivable.

    GAA actually done more than most in rural areas during lockdown arranging for cocooning people to be helped with groceries etc.


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    #1099
    MrMusician18
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    Billy Ocean wrote: »
    an u11 match might not have economic value to you but it has plenty of wellbeing benefits physical and mental and great for the development of young boys and girls, outdoor sporting activities is probably the safest hobby or pastime outside of your home currently so to almost put a halt to alot of underage activities is unforgivable.

    Ah this old chestnut of well-being and development. Rest assured, 6 months of no competitive U11 games will not have any noticeable negative consequences in a few years for any child.

    The government have no real room for maneuver. The virus is showing signs that it's going to take off again - the choice boils down to games and leisure activities or schools. Schools will always get priority, and rightly so.

    The games CAN wait.


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    #1100
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Billy Ocean wrote: »

    GAA actually done more than most in rural areas during lockdown arranging for cocooning people to be helped with groceries etc. That 2nd paragraph of yours is pure gutter

    I agree, the GAA clubs have done loads of great work in the community supporting those cocooning. This is fantastic and wholly support that effort. You can though commend this effort but be critical of other things.

    But when it's come to organising spectator sport, the process has left a lot to be desired. While this won't be true for all counties of course, but the matches I've seen and indeed attended have had no anti- covid measures beyond limited attendance and sanitizer at the gate. The main problem is the crowding with people congregating on top of one another instead of using the whole ground for space. Spectators seemingly need to be reminded and policed of this need to maintain space which I haven't seen happening.

    Perhaps though unfair to single out the GAA as other sports too have had this issue. But the GAA is the one demanding to meet NPHET.


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    #1101
    Billy Ocean
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    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Ah this old chestnut of well-being and development. Rest assured, 6 months of no competitive U11 games will not have any noticeable negative consequences in a few years for any child.

    The government have no real room for maneuver. The virus is showing signs that it's going to take off again - the choice boils down to games and leisure activities or schools. Schools will always get priority, and rightly so.

    The games CAN wait.
    Yes I 100% agree schools should get priority and agree with them reopening but if an outdoor activity in an open area ( remember the 19 times more likely stuff) is deemed a public health issue how can schools be deemed save to reopen, contradictions of the highest order....


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    #1102
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,281 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Billy Ocean wrote: »
    Yes I 100% agree schools should get priority and agree with them reopening but if an outdoor activity in an open area ( remember the 19 times more likely stuff) is deemed a public health issue how can schools be deemed save to reopen, contradictions of the highest order....

    It's because we need to reduce the total number of gatherings taking place in the country. Gatherings for the purpose of education have been deemed important so in an environment of rising cases, in order to not make the situation worse, someone has to lose out. That someone is sport and in particular spectators. And wet pubs too.

    In fairness it probably won't be enough and more stringent measures will need to be adopted nationally again as we fire fight. Again.


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    [Deleted User]
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    robbiezero wrote: »
    I think it would look poor for their credibility if they do decline it.

    Why? It’s only sport at the end of the day, hardly hugely important in the bigger picture.


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    #1104
    blowitupref
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    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    From what I can figure* 58 different GAA clubs in 21 counties have suspended activites due to positive,possible or outbreaks in the local community since the big lockdown was lifted. This clubs in Kildare, Carlow, Laois werer all prior to the mini-lockdown.

    * This was based on some pretty quick Googling

    Raheny Dublin positive case
    Man O'War Dublin positive case
    James Stephens Kilkenny positive case
    Simonstown Meath possible case
    Nobber Meath possible case
    Ballinabrackey Meath positive case
    Park-Ratheniska Laois positive case
    Timahoe Laois positive case
    Carbury Kildare positive case
    Kilcormac/Killoughey Offaly possible case
    Clonmore Carlow positive case
    St Brigids Carlow possible case
    Rathvilly Carlow outbreak in the community
    Fenagh Carlow possible case
    Old Leighlin GAA Carlow positive case
    Killeavy Armagh 5 positive cases
    Eglish Tyrone positive case
    Aghaloo Tyrone possible case
    Banagher Derry outbreak in the community
    Claudy Derry outbreak in the community
    Ardmore Derry outbreak in the community
    Foreglen Derry outbreak in the community
    Drum Derry outbreak in the community
    Drumsurn Derry outbreak in the community
    Magilligan Derry outbreak in the community
    Glack Derry outbreak in the community
    Limavady Derry outbreak in the community
    Craigbane Derry outbreak in the community
    St Marys Banagher Derry positive case
    Atticall Down outbreak in the community
    Longstone Down positive case
    Dundrum Down positive case
    Four Masters Donegal possible case
    Naomh Conaill Donegal possible case
    Bundoran Donegal possible case
    Naomh Colmcille Donegal possible case
    Cloughaneely Donegal possible case
    Truagh Gaels Monaghan positive case
    Argideen Rangers Cork possible case
    Glanworth Cork positive case
    Ballinascarty Cork possible case
    St Oliver Plunketts Cork possible case
    Claughan Limerick positive case
    St Patricks Limerick positive case
    Ahane Limerick possible case
    Cappamore Limerick possible case
    St Kierans Limerick possible case
    Cratloe Clare 6 positive cases
    Clondegad Clare possible case
    Clerihan Tipperary possible case
    Ballinahinch Tipperary possible case
    Eastern Harps Sligo possible case
    Kinvara Galway outbreak in the community
    Moy Davitts Mayo possible case
    Loughmore Mayo possible case
    Balla Mayo outbreak in the community
    Louisburgh Mayo outbreak in the community
    Strokestown Roscommon possible case


    The 11 counties where a GAA club hasn't suspended action are

    Wicklow
    Wexford
    Westmeath
    Louth
    Longford
    Antrim
    Fermanagh
    Cavan
    Kerry
    Waterford
    Leitrim

    All clubs clubs whom should be commended for following the guidelines and all cases or suspected cases that happened outside of GAA on field activities apparently.

    Little logic in not allowing 100 supporters attend matches outdoors while 50 people are allowed in a restaurant for 90 minutes. The car pooling discussion makes like sense either, we'd have more people travelling to Sunday mass across the country in cars than matches. Mr Martin said the churches are wide open places to social distance, not as wide open as a GAA pitch..


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    #1105
    robbiezero
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    kaizersoze wrote: »
    It's a safe bet that the NEPHET advice to government today was to shut down all sporting activity but it got watered down in cabinet under pressure from TDs. That's exactly what they will be told if the ACMO accepts their sarcastic invitation to a meeting (which he won't)

    The same with the 'wedding' scenario. Kept at 50 to appease the hospitality sector.

    That statement from Croke Park is a disgrace. The measures announced today is in response to a growing public health emergency of which GAA, along with other organisations, activities are a casualty. Their response is a sarcastic quip at the medical professionals trying to get to grips with it.

    What was the sarcastic quip?


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    #1106
    franglan
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    No problem shutting down all team sporting activities if that's what's required, it's just the complete ambiguity that it's a max of 15 from the same area training together but 40 lads can share a pitch together plus other subs/team members from different parishes in a game situation. Lacks all senses of logic. Team can't prepare like that so what's the point in playing matches.


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    #1107
    Hurrache
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    Yeah, it is somewhat confusing. If you're at a club with lots of underage teams, what constitutes a gathering of 15? If you have several kids teams across say 2 pitches, 15 in each corner, is that 4 gatherings of 15, or a gathering of 60?

    I know I'm being pedantic, but that's the reality of most evenings at clubs at the moment. Does training end? The kids will all be going back to the same school next week anyway and sitting beside other.


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    wirelessdude01
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    Yeah, it is somewhat confusing. If you're at a club with lots of underage teams, what constitutes a gathering of 15? If you have several kids teams across say 2 pitches, 15 in each corner, is that 4 gatherings of 15, or a gathering of 60?

    I know I'm being pedantic, but that's the reality of most evenings at clubs at the moment. Does training end? The kids will all be going back to the same school next week anyway and sitting beside other.

    On a Friday evening at that the time that we train we have a total of 5 teams out at the one time across 1 full sized pitch,. 3/4 sized training/back pitch and a small astro one. U8, i10, u12(both girls and boys) and u16. Now we stagger finishing times to avoid a scrum.


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    #1109
    wirelessdude01
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    The poster that said underage games in Dublin and Kerry were pulled. Any chance they could provide evidence of this as nothing to indicate this on any website or on Facebook that I could find.


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    #1110
    Hurrache
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    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    On a Friday evening at that the time that we train we have a total of 5 teams out at the one time across 1 full sized pitch,. 3/4 sized training/back pitch and a small astro one. U8, i10, u12(both girls and boys) and u16. Now we stagger finishing times to avoid a scrum.

    But aren't some of the teams still on the grounds at the same time? How will that fit in with the restrictions? I suppose clarification will come throughout the day.

    Makes no sense though if you weren't allowed that, but allowed a match without spectators. I understand why they wouldn't want spectators, I'm just looking at the situation on the pitches.


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    arctictree
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    Cul camps going ahead here this morning


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