How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

amacca · 19-08-2020 01:25AM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Suggest all you want, you can't see the difference between a factory worker living in these conditions and your average school child I'd suggest you do the same.

I somewhar take your point about the meat factory workers situation re wirking environment and hotbedding being more risky but perhaps tgere are ither things about some school envirinments you are not considering too

Lack of discipline among a certain cohort of students when it comes to obeying the rules/giidelines and lack of consequences for this + just being sterotypical immature teenagers in some of their cases.....schools need to be given more than just local arrangements when it comes to dealing with difficult cases and indeed the odd parent not being reasonable or some schools may not be all that different in terms of transmission than the meat factories

Thats before you start thinking about older cramped poorly ventilated schools etc etc

Peter Flynt · 19-08-2020 01:46AM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

I think a lot of people going to be proven wrong and disappointed when schools keep going and remain open.

They ain't closing unless serious s**t hits the fan and a few factory clusters aren't going to impact schools.

Great get out clause you gave yourself there.

Jaded Walker · 19-08-2020 01:51AM

It's a difficult one, you have to balance the lack of social interaction against the low possibility of them getting seriously ill.
I just don't think I'd be able to forgive myself if a child got ill when we all knew it could happen.

NIMAN · 19-08-2020 01:54AM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

It's a difficult one, you have to balance the lack of social interaction against the low possibility of them getting seriously ill.
I just don't think I'd be able to forgive myself if a child got ill when we all knew it could happen.

Stats so far in the pandemic highlight that very few kids get ill from it.

Peter Flynt · 19-08-2020 01:59AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Stats so far in the pandemic highlight that very few kids get ill from it.

They transmit the virus as effectively as adults so their parents or teachers may not be so lucky.

Jaded Walker · 19-08-2020 02:28AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Stats so far in the pandemic highlight that very few kids get ill from it.

Yes, that's very clear but if you put your child in a situation where they got it and were one of the unlucky ones to suffer as a result would you be able to forgive yourself for putting them in harm's way?

eclipsechaser · 19-08-2020 02:48AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

8/100000 cases require hospitilisarion, how many kids in school in Ireland? Let's say a million. If they all get it, 80 hospiaitiliastions?

Dr Tomás Ryan, Assistant Professor in the School of Biochemistry & Immunology, Trinity said a couple of days ago that the exact scenario you hypothesize would leave 111 children dead.

Source: The Stand Podcast Episode 831. 32 mins 45 seconds.

If you're going to throw figures about, check what the experts are saying first.

BattleCorp · 19-08-2020 08:16AM

amacca wrote: »

I somewhar take your point about the meat factory workers situation re wirking environment and hotbedding being more risky

I'm getting old so I'm not down with the lingo that you kids use today. What does hotbedding mean? Honest question.

Lillyfae · 19-08-2020 08:17AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm getting old so I'm not down with the lingo that you kids use today. What does hotbedding mean? Honest question.

Sharing a bed but not at the same time, popular among shift workers in factories. That's how you end up with 22 people living in a 2 bedroom house.

BattleCorp · 19-08-2020 08:24AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Sharing a bed but not at the same time, popular among shift workers in factories. That's how you end up with 22 people living in a 2 bedroom house.

I was half guessing that but I wasn't sure. Does that happen much? I would have thought something like that would be very rare. I'm sounding very naive here.

Bobtheman · 19-08-2020 08:24AM

I think this thread is going around in circles.
As a teacher I have no choice but to go into a working environment that is not applicable elsewhere.
All I can do is be careful myself. I do suffer from coughs regularly .
Any sign and I'm gone until I get a test.
The government has been running down teacher's last ten year's . Discipline is declining. Pay and conditions declining. Parental discipline declining.
The middle classes wisely ride the system.
We are dispensable. Have been for awhile.
The only brake on a UK system is the state won't spend the money required for subject heads etc.
We have ourselves to blame for not striking

lulublue22 · 19-08-2020 08:25AM

I find this talk of children don’t get as ill as adults a little bit disquieting. It’s as if they won’t be affected at all. I have a child who has had 2 bouts of viral pneumonia requiring hospitalisation. Scary scary times. It absolutely wiped her out both times. Not a nice experience at all - I wouldn’t be so blase about any child getting covid. That said we do need children back in Education - the current full reopening for all is short sighted in my view as I don’t think it’s sustainable. I would have preferred pain of a gradual return with the view to a full return and keeping schools open.

timmy_mallet · 19-08-2020 08:26AM

eclipsechaser wrote: »

Dr Tomás Ryan, Assistant Professor in the School of Biochemistry & Immunology, Trinity said a couple of days ago that the exact scenario you hypothesize would leave 111 children dead.

Source: The Stand Podcast Episode 831. 32 mins 45 seconds.

If you're going to throw figures about, check what the experts are saying first.

And perhaps you should check who posted those figures first, because it wasnt me.

khalessi · 19-08-2020 08:32AM

lulublue22 wrote: »

I find this talk of children don’t get as ill as adults a little bit disquieting. It’s as if they won’t be affected at all. I have a child who has had 2 bouts of viral pneumonia requiring hospitalisation. Scary scary times. It absolutely wiped her out both times. Not a nice experience at all - I wouldn’t be so blase about any child getting covid. That said we do need children back in Education - the current full reopening for all is short sighted in my view as I don’t think it’s sustainable. I would have preferred pain of a gradual return with the view to a full return and keeping schools open.

I think it is starting to slowly sink in that they can get it.

https://twitter.com/cgtnamerica/status/1295839136390057984?s=20

took that from Caveat Emptor on other thread.

When you can get Trump to comment on it it must be sinking in, although a little late for here.

downthemiddle · 19-08-2020 08:35AM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

I think a lot of people going to be proven wrong and disappointed when schools keep going and remain open.

They ain't closing unless serious s**t hits the fan and a few factory clusters aren't going to impact schools.

You are starting to remind me of another poster. Per chance is your hair getting in your eyes?

Lillyfae · 19-08-2020 08:36AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

I was half guessing that but I wasn't sure. Does that happen much? I would have thought something like that would be very rare. I'm sounding very naive here.

I guessed aswell, we should count our blessings to be "naive" to it really. I have no idea how prevalent it is, but I know it happens in lower paid industries, such as factories where you would have people from Eastern Europe, Asia, South America working in their droves. They're sending every penny they can scrape together home to fund living and education costs for family so wouldn't waste it on a bed that's empty 16-18 hours of the time. It's terribly sad.

Lillyfae · 19-08-2020 08:37AM

downthemiddle wrote: »

You are starting to remind me of another poster. Per chance is your hair getting in your eyes?

Oh good one, I've never heard that before. Like everyone who disagrees with you must be using multiple accounts.

timmy_mallet · 19-08-2020 08:38AM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

Yes, that's very clear but if you put your child in a situation where they got it and were one of the unlucky ones to suffer as a result would you be able to forgive yourself for putting them in harm's way?

I'd imagine most parents have calculated the risk and are fine with the and those that arent should be respected and their kids education accommodated at some point.

smurgen · 19-08-2020 08:39AM

Colleges will close again here. Notre Dame in the US is suspending all on campus activity after returning 8 weeks ago.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-cases-notre-dame-off-campus-party/

Sunday Sunday · 19-08-2020 08:40AM

downthemiddle wrote: »

You are starting to remind me of another poster. Per chance is your hair getting in your eyes?

What are you on about?

lulublue22 · 19-08-2020 08:41AM

smurgen wrote: »

Colleges will close again here. Notre Dame in the US is suspending all on campus activity after returning 8 weeks ago.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-cases-notre-dame-off-campus-party/

Thought most if not all colleges here were opting for online with limited on campus for practical classes.

mirrorwall14 · 19-08-2020 08:41AM

Bobtheman wrote: »

I think this thread is going around in circles.
As a teacher I have no choice but to go into a working environment that is not applicable elsewhere.
All I can do is be careful myself. I do suffer from coughs regularly .
Any sign and I'm gone until I get a test.
The government has been running down teacher's last ten year's . Discipline is declining. Pay and conditions declining. Parental discipline declining.
The middle classes wisely ride the system.
We are dispensable. Have been for awhile.
The only brake on a UK system is the state won't spend the money required for subject heads etc.
We have ourselves to blame for not striking

I wish there was some level of standardisation though. Some schools are doing max 24 with 1m social distancing and visors (mine). Others are packing them in and wearing masks. Others have Perspex for the teacher to work behind. Others have principals saying you need a medical cert to wear a mask. Some have converted PE halls. Others are awaiting prefabs that won’t arrive in time The list goes on and on

gabeeg · 19-08-2020 08:41AM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

I'd imagine most parents have calculated the risk and are fine with the and those that arent should be respected and their kids education accommodated at some point.

Go on then. Calculate the risk.

Show your working

Lillyfae · 19-08-2020 08:41AM

smurgen wrote: »

Colleges will close again here. Notre Dame in the US is suspending all on campus activity after returning 8 weeks ago.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-cases-notre-dame-off-campus-party/

Did you even read that?

University officials have pinned the surge of infections to an off-campus party, where students didn't wear masks and social distancing wasn't practiced. Per university policy, the hosts of the party may have "jeopardize[d] their ability to remain a part of the University community."

It's not the university being open that's causing a cluster, it's the disregard for SD off campus

wirelessdude01 · 19-08-2020 08:43AM

downthemiddle wrote: »

You are starting to remind me of another poster. Per chance is your hair getting in your eyes?

Alot of the same arguments and phrasing used as well.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 19-08-2020 08:44AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

Did you even read that?

It's not the university being open that's causing a cluster, it's the disregard for SD off campus

Secondary schools will have students out drinking at weekends too. Generally from 3rd year up and they'll land back into school on Mondays

Sunday Sunday · 19-08-2020 08:49AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Secondary schools will have students out drinking at weekends too. Generally from 3rd year up and they'll land back into school on Mondays

Well what happens outside of school isn't something the school can control. Despite lockdown and restrictions some of our citizens can still do what they like believe it or not.

Not worth worrying about, you can't control people's free will. Very few people want to hear about new restrictions now, we had our chance and it worked in the very short term and people don't want to listen any more.

Very little gain for a lot of pain, we're living with this now whether we like it or not.

Lillyfae · 19-08-2020 08:50AM

jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »

Secondary schools will have students out drinking at weekends too. Generally from 3rd year up and they'll land back into school on Mondays

Right, well that's illegal normally- not sure I know too many 3rd year students who are over 18. People have to behave responsibly, and there have to be consequences if they don't. What is so difficult to grasp about that?

Dempo1 · 19-08-2020 08:53AM

After yesterday's surreal government press conference, this is just becoming silly, looking at recent reports on the work being carried out in schools In advance of reopening is just bizzare, not a single report on any building work, just moving tables and chairs around, it's just beyond farcical and if it wasn't so serious it would be amusing.

Government have had almost 6 months to plan for this and moving tables and chairs around doesn't cut it and I've no doubt parents watching this farce must be extremely anxious.

khalessi · 19-08-2020 08:54AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

After yesterday's surreal government press conference, this is just becoming silly, looking at recent reports on the work being carried out in schools In advance of reopening is just bizzare, not a single report on any building work, just moving tables and chairs around, it's just beyond farcical and if it wasn't so serious it would be amusing.

Government have had almost 6 months to plan for this and moving tables and chairs around doesn't cut it and I've no doubt parents watching this farce must be extremely anxious.

That is because all building work requires 3 tenders and then a builder has to be picked and available so some building may not occur until children back in school. Ridiculous situation at this stage.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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