Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Martina1991 · 18-08-2020 08:55PM

ElTel wrote:

Agreed. Could we perhaps trial a system that relies on a saliva sample? For example the plant/factory health and safety officer/doctor oversees the collection of saliva samples into sterilized bottles and they get couriered to lab.

Using a different sample type isn't going to aid capacity. They still have to be processed in the same laboratories that are short staffed and under resourced.

And you can't just start using saliva samples on existing equipment when they are validated for nasopharengyl swabs. It's like putting petrol in a diesel car.

Plumbthedepths · 18-08-2020 08:55PM

So no one can stand at the sidelines of a soccer/ Gaelic/ hurling pitch to watch a game in the open air, but 50 people can gather in a room some probably having travelled together eat and get pissed but because it's a wedding it's safe. Anyone that supports these measures care to explain the logic of the aforementioned.

Ll31 · 18-08-2020 08:55PM

Have we seen evidence of transmission on public transport?

Eod100 · 18-08-2020 08:56PM

Anyone else think these measures are unclear?

As in do the limits on number of people who can gather only affect private houses and matches? Are things like gigs, cinemas, theatres exempt? So can have 200 at outdoor gig but not 200 at a match?

expectationlost · 18-08-2020 08:58PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

So no one can stand at the sidelines of a soccer/ Gaelic/ hurling pitch to watch a game in the open air, but 50 people can gather in a room some probably having travelled together eat and get pissed but because it's a wedding it's safe. Anyone that supports these measures care to explain the logic of the aforementioned.

pretty sure Martin was referring to a church and that its a constitutional issue.

they don't want you to go to weddings in a church but can't say you can't

Pentecost · 18-08-2020 08:59PM

Ll31 wrote: »

Have we seen evidence of transmission on public transport?

May be attributing some community transmission to that I guess. In the absence of any other ideas.

expectationlost · 18-08-2020 08:59PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Anyone else think these measures are unclear?

As in do the limits on number of people who can gather only affect private houses and matches? Are things like gigs, cinemas, theatres exempt? So can have 200 at outdoor gig but not 200 at a match?

did they say cinemas could open?

Plumbthedepths · 18-08-2020 08:59PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Anyone else think these measures are unclear?

As in do the limits on number of people who can gather only affect private houses and matches? Are things like gigs, cinemas, theatres exempt? So can have 200 at outdoor gig but not 200 at a match?

You can't go and watch a match in the open air, but you and 49 other people you know can get pissed together at a wedding. Must be anti Covid food and alcohol at these weddings. The government and Nphet are absolutely rudderless now. Thank Christ I don't have any young children heading back to school.

iamwhoiam · 18-08-2020 09:00PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You realise it's not a punishment? It's to try and save there life's

Then hit the ones that are spreading it and not those who are doing what are asked of them from day one
So the spread is by the under 45 so the solution is to ask the over 70’s to restrict movement once again ? Very unfair in my opinion

18-08-2020 09:01PM

Strumms wrote: »

Schools reopening just won’t end well, sorry... it’s boneheaded.

Personally I don't see it happening. The cases are now too high and increasing. You can't open something new when r rate is high and has been for well over a month.

There will be another lockdown next month here and the North.

R rate is 1.6 in both jurisdictions.

Funny that considering they have followed our guidelines throughout.

So it's not some bar in Dublin at the weekend or a meat plant in offaly. The policys in the North are the same, the level of disease are the same. The problem is not the people but the policies.

Lockdown next month and then control our borders. Should have been done in June instead of this car crash.

Del Griffith · 18-08-2020 09:01PM

Does anyone want to get married?

iamwhoiam · 18-08-2020 09:03PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Does anyone want to get married?

Kind of you to ask but I am already married thanks !!

owlbethere · 18-08-2020 09:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Personally I don't see it happening. The cases are now too high and increasing. You can't open something new when r rate is high and has been for well over a month.

There will be another lockdown next month here and the North.

R rate is 1.6 in both jurisdictions.

Funny that considering they have followed our guidelines throughout.

So it's not some bar in Dublin at the weekend or a meat plant in offaly. The policys in the North are the same, the level of disease are the same. The problem is not the people but the policies.

The problem is not the policies but the people. We were asked to keep our close contacts low. Many people are doing this but others are not and it these people who are driving up the R number of the virus.

khalessi · 18-08-2020 09:04PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Does anyone want to get married?

Can we have a GAA match during the afters?

expectationlost · 18-08-2020 09:05PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Does anyone want to get married?

you could get married with 6 people.

irishgeo · 18-08-2020 09:05PM

the government already has the power to declare an emergency order under the 1939 emergency powers act.

one sub section states

(n) authorise and provide for the entering into and searching of any lands, premises, vehicles, ships and other vessels, or aircraft in circumstances and by persons specified or indicated in such emergency order;

Lundstram · 18-08-2020 09:06PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The problem is not the policies but the people. We were asked to keep our close contacts low. Many people are doing this but others are not and it these people who are driving up the R number of the virus.

Workplaces are causing the vast majority of these close contacts.

MM answer? Ban people from attending GAA matches. Unbelievable.

Arghus · 18-08-2020 09:06PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The legislation can’t be passed, or at least can’t be lawful because a referendum would be required to change the constitution.

Would we actually need to change the constitution ? If they are talking about it they must be thinking of amending some existing legislation rather than actually changing the constitution. I don't know the legal in's and out's, but I presume if this is being talked about it must be possible. Though it wouldn't be the first time a journalist has tweeted something that's actually an impossibility.

stephenjmcd · 18-08-2020 09:07PM

irishgeo wrote: »

the government already has the power to declare an emergency order under the 1939 emergency powers act.

one sub section states

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1295785736223035399?s=19

As much as I dislike them Sinn Fein have also said its their understanding that a special sitting of the Dáil will be required to pass legislation and they await details from government

plodder · 18-08-2020 09:07PM

Schools have to reopen. Get serious about the other restrictions, but 15 limit on outdoors seems crazy to me.

4th highest rate of change means nothing imo. It's the cases level per capita that matters for comparison.

Ineedaname · 18-08-2020 09:07PM

Been a frustrating day so some good news might be welcome. Dr. John Campbell discusses some of the recent studies regarding immunity. He is VERY optimistic that it is long term.

In the second half of the video he also delves into how immunity works so well worth a watch if you'd like to understand it.

Eod100 · 18-08-2020 09:09PM

expectationlost wrote: »

did they say cinemas could open?

Just taking it from this they may be but tbh it's not clear. They really need to spell things out. When they're not providing the restrictions universally they need to specify.

''All remaining community, religious, cultural, social and sport facilities can remain open.

Sporting events and matches can continue to take place behind closed doors.''

But right above that they have below so I'm none the wiser tbh:

''Limits on mass gatherings have now been reintroduced.

Indoor gatherings and events are now limited to 6 people from no more than 3 households.

Outdoor gatherings and events are limited to 15 people.

Weddings are exempt from this guidance and can be held with up to 50 people in attendance including staff working at the venue.

Meeting people outdoors is safer than meeting indoors. Physical distancing should be observed at all times when meeting others.''

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

irishgeo · 18-08-2020 09:09PM

Lundstram wrote: »

Workplaces are causing the vast majority of these close contacts.

MM answer? Ban people from attending GAA matches. Unbelievable.

its not the matches, its people travelling in cars together, meeting friends before or after for food/drinks. Maybe watching together from vantage points outside grounds.

Dempo1 · 18-08-2020 09:10PM

Just an awful press conference tonight, Michael Martin very Tetchy, all over the place, WTF was Eamonn Ryan doing at it, useless, CMO looked, very, very, very uncomfortable and made a rare slip or perhaps not, saying, no we don't encourage over 70's going to hotels (Failte Ireland and the IHF, won't be pleased. Stephen Donnelly is completely out of his depth.

Just a bizzare, surreal and depressing, is this really the best they can do, very telling FG stayed away, they just seem to be clutching at straws.

Psychiatric Patrick · 18-08-2020 09:10PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

If people follow the rules, the factories get checks and there's no outbreaks from schools going back then it might be okay. Though it's slim to none all this happening

Just popped up on my phone that a wedding can have 50 guests but a child's birthday party can have no more than six.

I have to ask who comes up with this?

Are the hotel owners asking the government to allow more people at events? It seems that way and this is a very odd virus indeed if the containment policies can be altered to suit business interests.

18-08-2020 09:11PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You can't go and watch a match in the open air, but you and 49 other people you know can get pissed together at a wedding. Must be anti Covid food and alcohol at these weddings. The government and Nphet are absolutely rudderless now. Thank Christ I don't have any young children heading back to school.

There are far too many contradictions. It is mostly for show to be seen to be doing something. Not many people will buy this. Who in their right mind after that briefing is saying good call government?

Arghus · 18-08-2020 09:12PM

Martina1991 wrote: »

Using a different sample type isn't going to aid capacity. They still have to be processed in the same laboratories that are short staffed and under resourced.

And you can't just start using saliva samples on existing equipment when they are validated for nasopharengyl swabs. It's like putting petrol in a diesel car.

Martina, as one of the rare few that actually has a bit of knowledge about testing, labs and so on - what do you make of the disparity between positive cases from the dashboard and then the daily case numbers that get announced each day?

The idea that these numbers are being "held back" on purpose is, to me, complete tinfoil hat stuff, but do have any insight yourself?

delly · 18-08-2020 09:14PM

No talk of factories or schools, the two areas that have featured the most in the last week as both the source and potential future source of outbreaks respectively. Irrespective of you being a lock it down or open it up mindset, the Minister of Education being AWOL to this point is an insult to society and a clear sign of someone floundering in the role. More than disgust, I feel pity for her for being put in that position.

Psychiatric Patrick · 18-08-2020 09:15PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Just taking it from this they may be but tbh it's not clear. They really need to spell things out. When they're not providing the restrictions universally they need to specify.

''All remaining community, religious, cultural, social and sport facilities can remain open.

Sporting events and matches can continue to take place behind closed doors.''

But right above that they have below so I'm none the wiser tbh:

''Limits on mass gatherings have now been reintroduced.

Indoor gatherings and events are now limited to 6 people from no more than 3 households.

Outdoor gatherings and events are limited to 15 people.

Weddings are exempt from this guidance and can be held with up to 50 people in attendance including staff working at the venue.

Meeting people outdoors is safer than meeting indoors. Physical distancing should be observed at all times when meeting others.''

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/cf9b0d-new-public-health-measures-effective-now-to-prevent-further-spread-o/

So weddings are safe? Is this because of the special magic generated by true love :rolleyes:

yourdeadwright · 18-08-2020 09:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Then hit the ones that are spreading it and not those who are doing what are asked of them from day one
So the spread is by the under 45 so the solution is to ask the over 70’s to restrict movement once again ? Very unfair in my opinion

Think logically, they can't ask under 70s to restrict there movments as there would be no work force

This isn't a punishment its to save over 70s life's,

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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