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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #9512
    Superfoods
    Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭Superfoods


    So now according to Francie the problem is the Garda and PSNI

    So why don’t we just say everyone and everything is wrong except SF/PIRA and Francie, might be an easier starting point


  • #9513
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Think many many more people have been "scarred" by their dealings with Sinn Fein IRA. Anyway as ever you will equivocate and justify any and all savagery and criminality. I leave it to other posters to decide whether the guards are more trustworthy that Gerry, Mary Lou, Slab and the rest of your heroes

    These being gaurds who have had endless tribunals and lurch from one diaster controversy to another as long as i can remember



    How many people did they lie about breathlising....wasnt it 500K more they claimed,than breathlising kits existed :pac:??


  • #9514
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,244 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Deleted User wrote: »
    These being gaurds who have had endless tribunals and lurch from one diaster controversy to another as long as i can remember



    How many people did they lie about breathlising....wasnt it 500K more they claimed,than breathlising kits existed :pac:??

    There is the Morris Tribunal and the Disclosures Tribunal. Has there been any others?


  • #9515
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Superfoods wrote: »
    So now according to Francie the problem is the Garda and PSNI

    So why don’t we just say everyone and everything is wrong except SF/PIRA and Francie, might be an easier starting point

    What did SF do wrong here?

    I'm failing to see that they did a single thing wrong from the get go in Feb 2017


  • #9516
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What did SF do wrong here?

    I'm failing to see that they did a single thing wrong from the get go in Feb 2017

    Keep going. The difficulty is that you and your fellow Sinn Fein /IRA cheerleaders fail to see that they did a single thing wrong since 1969. Any wonder Headquarters are asking you to stand down. Someone of some kind of rat cunning has some vague understanding that your justifications and equivocations are actually damaging "the movement"

    And no,the Guards are not perfect but they are probably the best police force in any jurisdiction I can think of. In general they do their best to keep the public safe at very considerable personal risk. In contrast your heroes set out everyday to deliberately murder and mutilate random people until they got what they wanted. And its all someone elses fault. Anyway keep going all publicity iserves to remind everyone who and what they are.


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  • #9517
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Keep going. The difficulty is that you and your fellow Sinn Fein /IRA cheerleaders fail to see that they did a single thing wrong since 1969. Any wonder Headquarters are asking you to stand down. Someone of some kind of rat cunning has some vague understanding that your justifications and equivocations are actually damaging "the movement"

    And no,the Guards are not perfect but they are probably the best police force in any jurisdiction I can think of. In general they do their best to keep the public safe at very considerable personal risk. In contrast your heroes set out everyday to deliberately murder and mutilate random people until they got what they wanted. And its all someone elses fault. Anyway keep going all publicity iserves to remind everyone who and what they are.

    'Rat cunning'...that's a fairly exceptional attempt to dehumanise somebody who is willing to debate with you.


    What did SF do wrong here?
    Can you answer the question asked here?


  • #9518
    Truthvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'Rat cunning'...that's a fairly exceptional attempt to dehumanise somebody who is willing to debate with you.


    What did SF do wrong here?
    Can you answer the question asked here?

    Nothing I can add to this thread could make the point more clearly than your failure to see anything wrong


  • #9519
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Nothing I can add to this thread could make the point more clearly than your failure to see anything wrong

    I'll ask again.

    What did SF do wrong here?


  • #9520
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Leaving aside the veracity of the story, does the fact that so many young people are willing to overlook issues such as this and vote for SF anyway not give right leaning folks any pause for thought about just how f*cked people feel by the status quo? What I find amazing is how the media in Ireland and the "I'm alright Jack" class will point to all of these allegations against SF, see how it fails to dent their support among young Irish people, and not stop and think about why people might be willing to overlook a party being steeped in so much controversy about its past paramilitary connections, and vote for them anyway based on policy concerns.

    Like, how does anyone look at this and not say "If people are willing to overlook news stories like this just so they can vote for a party which claims to have a desire to destroy the status quo, we have really, really failed this entire demographic of people that they feel so desperate as to be willing to do this"?

    That's the part I always fail to understand. You all believe every allegation made against Sinn Fein, or at least believe that such allegations should rule a party out of being in power. Yet large, vast swathes of at least 2-3 generations of young Irish people are willing to overlook these controversies and vote for them anyway.

    How is it that anyone can avoid the logical next conclusion, which is "maybe our policies and our attitude has genuinely harmed these people and their prospects to such a great extent that they're desperate and willing to try anything to get us out of power"? How do you avoid coming to that conclusion, when you can see with your own eyes that so many people are willing to vote for a party which in your eyes is so unpalatable? If you believe SF to be unpalatable, and you don't deny that young people have been voting for them in their droves, then how can you not also question whether maybe, just maybe, we have a legitimate point to make about the current status quo being utterly unbearable for us?


  • #9521
    maccored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,772 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Truthvader wrote: »
    Nothing I can add to this thread could make the point more clearly than your failure to see anything wrong


    Translation: 'I cant answer your question so I will provide a sentence that barely makes sense'


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  • #9522
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭christy c


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Leaving aside the veracity of the story, does the fact that so many young people are willing to overlook issues such as this and vote for SF anyway not give right leaning folks any pause for thought about just how f*cked people feel by the status quo?

    People have made up their minds one way or another on the IRA- I despise SF but not because of anything to do with the north, but because of their repeated stupid policies and proposals. If Mary Lou was to have an epiphany and start coming up with something sensible, I would vote for them in the morning.

    I can understand how people voted for SF out of desperation, but totally disagree with it. Unfortunately, anyone who thinks the demographics will look after themselves, or spending money belonging to Apple while there was an appeal in progress, will not be solving housing/health or any of the major issues in the country.


  • #9523
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    christy c wrote: »
    People have made up their minds one way or another on the IRA- I despise SF but not because of anything to do with the north, but because of their repeated stupid policies and proposals. If Mary Lou was to have an epiphany and start coming up with something sensible, I would vote for them in the morning.

    I can understand how people voted for SF out of desperation, but totally disagree with it. Unfortunately, anyone who thinks the demographics will look after themselves, or spending money belonging to Apple while there was an appeal in progress, will not be solving housing/health or any of the major issues in the country.

    So you disagree on current policy and ergo you're not going to vote for them. That in my view is how democracy should work. Now, I entirely get that Sinn Fein's past is extremely controversial and that many people have serious, legitimate repulsion for that past. But to those people, I'm just asking if they ever stop to think that many young people agree that sh!t like this is absolutely appalling if it's true, and that voting for a party which is so steeped in controversy is a difficult choice - but that ultimately, it's widely known that FFG have sided with the demographics who pulled the property ladder up and out of reach of the young, and therefore young people feel so helpless and frightened about their futures that they simply don't give a f*ck who they have to vote for in order to get someone in power who actually displays some empathy for that. FG don't. 2000s era FF didn't. SF are the only large party who did. Even Mary Lou's debating performances pre-election this year showed that up again - both FF and FG to different degrees siding with a free market approach to housing and Mary Lou opposed.

    Young people know that the free market approach isn't going to work because they recognise central problem is the hoarding of excess property by selfish, greedy f*ckers who want to 'earn' a passive income at the expense of the wellbeing and happiness of the real, hard working human beings they're ripping off in order to get it.. It's as simple as that. They'll vote for anyone who has any vision of destroying that paradigm, come what may.


  • #9524
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭christy c


    ^^^ yeah that probably explains the logic for people voting SF, but there are huge issues with SF currently that should be acknowledged. Even if they had the best housing policy in the world, that is useless if naive corporate and personal tax policies for example are pursued in the name of "fairness". I know I keep bringing it up but imagine how stupid we would have looked going to the market to borrow after spending all of Apple's money? And the probable increased borrowing costs?


  • #9525
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    christy c wrote: »
    ^^^ yeah that probably explains the logic for people voting SF, but there are huge issues with SF currently that should be acknowledged. Even if they had the best housing policy in the world, that is useless if naive corporate and personal tax policies for example are pursued in the name of "fairness". I know I keep bringing it up but imagine how stupid we would have looked going to the market to borrow after spending all of Apple's money? And the probable increased borrowing costs?

    You think that's stupid? FFG are now sacrificing our economy and health for meat barons.

    https://twitter.com/TodayRadioRTE/status/1292753013279514625?s=19


  • #9526
    christy c
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭christy c


    smurgen wrote: »
    You think that's stupid? FFG are now sacrificing our economy and health for meat barons.

    https://twitter.com/TodayRadioRTE/status/1292753013279514625?s=19

    Does that make SF any less stupid?


  • #9527
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'Rat cunning'...that's a fairly exceptional attempt to dehumanise somebody who is willing to debate with you.


    What did SF do wrong here?
    Can you answer the question asked here?

    Firstly, the poster wasn't referring to you, he was referring to whoever is running the Sinn Fein online supporters from Parnell Square.

    Secondly, if he was labelling people, I would agree with you. The labelling of others (e.g. the use of partitionist to disparage some posters) is a disgraceful attempt to dehumanise people you disagree with.


  • #9528
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Leaving aside the veracity of the story, does the fact that so many young people are willing to overlook issues such as this and vote for SF anyway not give right leaning folks any pause for thought about just how f*cked people feel by the status quo? What I find amazing is how the media in Ireland and the "I'm alright Jack" class will point to all of these allegations against SF, see how it fails to dent their support among young Irish people, and not stop and think about why people might be willing to overlook a party being steeped in so much controversy about its past paramilitary connections, and vote for them anyway based on policy concerns.

    Like, how does anyone look at this and not say "If people are willing to overlook news stories like this just so they can vote for a party which claims to have a desire to destroy the status quo, we have really, really failed this entire demographic of people that they feel so desperate as to be willing to do this"?

    That's the part I always fail to understand. You all believe every allegation made against Sinn Fein, or at least believe that such allegations should rule a party out of being in power. Yet large, vast swathes of at least 2-3 generations of young Irish people are willing to overlook these controversies and vote for them anyway.

    How is it that anyone can avoid the logical next conclusion, which is "maybe our policies and our attitude has genuinely harmed these people and their prospects to such a great extent that they're desperate and willing to try anything to get us out of power"? How do you avoid coming to that conclusion, when you can see with your own eyes that so many people are willing to vote for a party which in your eyes is so unpalatable? If you believe SF to be unpalatable, and you don't deny that young people have been voting for them in their droves, then how can you not also question whether maybe, just maybe, we have a legitimate point to make about the current status quo being utterly unbearable for us?

    Doesn't wash with me. Sinn Fein are the lowest of the low. The fact that people consider them the best alternative to FF/FG/Greens when there are decent politicians in the Labour Party and the Social Democrats says more about the people who vote for Sinn Fein than about the LP and the SDs or FF, FG and the Greens.


  • #9529
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The labelling of others (e.g. the use of partitionist to disparage some posters) is a disgraceful attempt to dehumanise people you disagree with.

    You'll be starting a PLM movement next. :)
    Get out a dictionary, perfectly sound and acceptable term for a certain outlook.


  • #9530
    smurgen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Doesn't wash with me. Sinn Fein are the lowest of the low. The fact that people consider them the best alternative to FF/FG/Greens when there are decent politicians in the Labour Party and the Social Democrats says more about the people who vote for Sinn Fein than about the LP and the SDs or FF, FG and the Greens.

    You cry about dehumanising in one post and call supporters of a political party the lowest of the low in the next?


  • #9531
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    smurgen wrote: »
    You cry about dehumanising in one post and call supporters of a political party the lowest of the low in the next?

    Nope, I didn't call the supporters the lowest of the low, I called the party the lowest of the low.

    You can't dehumanise something that isn't human.


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  • #9532
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You'll be starting a PLM movement next. :)
    Get out a dictionary, perfectly sound and acceptable term for a certain outlook.

    It's a silly term to throw out for someone who votes SF.

    How's MON getting on at the COBRA meetings with the British Army? Is she and Kelly still under threat from the dissidents for attending the PSNI conference not too long ago and encouraging Nationalists to join , you know, a 6 county police force!


  • #9533
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    It's a silly term to throw out for someone who votes SF.

    How's MON getting on at the COBRA meetings with the British Army? Is she and Kelly still under threat from the dissidents for attending the PSNI conference not too long ago and encouraging Nationalists to join , you know, a 6 county police force!

    No idea jh79, Google is as much your friend as it is mine


  • #9534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No idea jh79, Google is as much your friend as it is mine

    Must google who attends alright, must be some sight to see her in middle of the Eton types waiting for her orders!


  • #9535
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    Must google who attends alright, must be some sight to see her in middle of the Eton types waiting for her orders!

    Is that a taunt? Would you rather she didn't attend? What is the problem with it exactly?
    Should she be ashamed of herself with these Eton types? Is that what you are implying?

    So many questions as you reveal yourself.


  • #9536
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Is that a taunt? Would you rather she didn't attend? What is the problem with it exactly?
    Should she be ashamed of herself with these Eton types? Is that what you are implying?

    So many questions as you reveal yourself.

    She definitely should attend as a public representative. It is her duty but whatever way you spin it, her and her party are partitionists and you by extension by voting for them.


  • #9537
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    She definitely should attend as a public representative. It is her duty but whatever way you spin it, her and her party are partitionists and you by extension by voting for them.

    Stop, you are dehumanising me!

    You go ahead and knock yourself out on that one jh79...as an old Etonian might say...'one doesn't care really, old chap'.


  • #9538
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Stop, you are dehumanising me!

    You go ahead and knock yourself out on that one jh79...as an old Etonian might say...'one doesn't care really, old chap'.

    I didn't say that! That was Blanch.

    I'm more than happy for SF to be partitionist for another 100 years. At least you're not voting for Republican SF!


  • #9539
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,253 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Stop, you are dehumanising me!

    You go ahead and knock yourself out on that one jh79...as an old Etonian might say...'one doesn't care really, old chap'.

    So you're a partionist Mr Brady?
    You deny it but jh is convinced you are, is he right or are you really not a partionist.
    Someone called you one, you must be one surely.
    I mean everyone you call one must be one too surely?


  • #9540
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,534 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jh79 wrote: »
    I didn't say that! That was Blanch.

    I'm more than happy for SF to be partitionist for another 100 years. At least you're not voting for Republican SF!

    But you and I know they won't be. The two parts are drawing inexorably together as they transparently work the agreement they said they would work.


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  • #9541
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    But you and I know they won't be. The two parts are drawing inexorably together as they transparently work the agreement they said they would work.

    Biggest threat to a UI at this pace is global warming!


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