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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #5372
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Not from proper law abiding citizens. From the Gemma O Dorothy tin foilers on here yes.
    Never broken a law in my life kid.


  • #5373
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Amirani wrote: »
    Yep, but these are completely inconsistent with what appears to be the approach on weddings and mass/religious ceremonies. These would have the same travel and after issues as matches.
    There's a big difference in frequency and social importance between a wedding and a club GAA match. Plus if you think of the risks they seem to be targeting (large groups travelling to and from matches with no distancing) a wedding would seem to be lower risk.


  • #5374
    bazermc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Have I missed the briefing or are we still awaiting it?


  • #5375
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    WHO estimate 1 billion cases of influenza occur annually with studies detecting signs on Myocarditis in approx 10% of cases

    It is almost as fast as March in here at the minute so you might miss this reply.
    I accept your 10 %. If a billion people get fku annually and WHO also estimate deaths at 250,000 to 500,000 annually, which I have seen, that is not the 0.1% mortality rate for flu which people go on about. It is at most half that. For the life of ne I cannot be sure what half of 0.1 % is. Is it 0.05? Which would make flu mortality rate look small beside guesstimated Covid mortality rate.


  • #5376
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/player/live/7/

    Try this

    It will come on when it starts

    Cheers


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  • #5377
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I'm off to a match with 199 other people now anyway and I'm gonna enjoy it. G'luck.


  • #5378
    kksaints
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,092 ✭✭✭kksaints


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's a big difference in frequency and social importance between a wedding and a club GAA match. Plus if you think of the risks they seem to be targeting (large groups travelling to and from matches with no distancing) a wedding would seem to be lower risk.

    But not between masses and religious ceremonies which attract an older attendance.


  • #5379
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    There's a big difference in frequency and social importance between a wedding and a club GAA match. Plus if you think of the risks they seem to be targeting (large groups travelling to and from matches with no distancing) a wedding would seem to be lower risk.

    If you think a wedding is lower risk than a GAA match you've fully lost it


  • #5380
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People who think the Gardai will just walk in and end all house parties in their tracks :pac::pac::pac::pac:

    Sure if you ring them for something at the best of times they'll "send a car when its available" and either turn up hours later or not at all.

    Imagine ringing up saying there's 7 people in the house next door, yeah good luck seeing a car for that


  • #5381
    stevek93
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭stevek93


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm off to a match with 199 other people now anyway and I'm gonna enjoy it. G'luck.

    Thanks for that..


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  • #5382
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm off to a match with 199 other people now anyway and I'm gonna enjoy it. G'luck.

    Likewise and a few pints after


  • #5383
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    ednwireland wrote: »
    I hate the people slagging the new government for not having a coherent plan I very much doubt saint Tony would have been in any different position now. it was always going to be a massivly difficult process trying to keep business going without shutting the economy again.

    although i think they always seem to impose restrictions which avoid where the majority of cases are coming from.
    You're dead right, though I would suggest that Tony was fighting the same frustrating wave of sh!t Glynn currently is. I try and fathom why, but the likely reasons we aren't taking the initiative to break the chains of transmission are not reassuring.
    s1ippy wrote: »
    ...Now we have a precedent for taking actions that curb the spread. However those actions upset the wrong people. These are vested interests, voters and the workforce.

    Businesses have separate rules, as the clusters detected don't seem to come from them, although I would highlight that between one third and one fifth of cases are community transmission...

    Meat plants and other factories involved in food production, the main source of virus transmission for the past month, are open with little oversight and there is no firm guidance or research on the safety of groceries, especially on washing down shopping or safe storage and consumption of food that doesn't require cooking (deli meats, etc).

    Schools will be reopening in a week's time with thousands of people from different households mixing indoors, close quarters, poor ventilation, inadequate sanitation facilities with children engaging in unpredictable behaviours for 6+ hours. Schools will not necessarily close if there is an outbreak in them and although 25% of the workforce are high risk, only the "extremely high risk" (I heard a figure of 2% quoted at the start) are permitted to give support working from home. No online provision has been made.

    Previous CMO left during a very contentious period, under the pretext of family circumstances, when he wanted to take measures to prevent this current outbreak from happening. Current CMO is being slated in leaks from "senior government sources" as personally wanting to impose "draconian" measures.

    This will be heralded in the history books as the most frustrating time to have even the remotest grasp of the subtext and agendas at play in public health decisions.

    We need a better plan for reopening schools, huge investment in HSA oversight of food processing facilities and a clearer picture where clusters are occurring. Less than four days wait for Joe public's test and trace would help too.


  • #5384
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm off to a match with 199 other people now anyway and I'm gonna enjoy it. G'luck.

    I’d say you are.


  • #5385
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    It is almost as fast as March in here at the minute so you might miss this reply.
    I accept your 10 %. If a billion people get fku annually and WHO also estimate deaths at 250,000 to 500,000 annually, which I have seen, that is not the 0.1% mortality rate for flu which people go on about. It is at most half that. For the life of ne I cannot be sure what half of 0.1 % is. Is it 0.05? Which would make flu mortality rate look small beside guesstimated Covid mortality rate.

    Read the UK deaths

    7 times more dieing of flu and pneumonia right now

    Not joking :pac:

    It's madness

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending7august2020


  • #5386
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Sure if you ring them for something at the best of times they'll "send a car when its available" and either turn up hours later or not at all.

    Imagine ringing up saying there's 7 people in the house next door, yeah good luck seeing a car for that

    I know from a Garda locally, there are and have been people calling them to complain about exactly that. And your assumed response has been their response.


  • #5387
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    AdamD wrote: »
    If you think a wedding is lower risk than a GAA match you've fully lost it
    It's not about the match, it's about getting too and from a match.

    Weddings are also infrequent. Matches take place a couple of times a week, in multiple locations across the country.


  • #5388
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,337 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    I hope the Gardai have those enforcement powers from this evening or at the latest midnight tonight, and not next week or later.


  • #5389
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Amazing the posters here who would welcome Gardai entering their homes without proper legislation in place.

    WOW


  • #5390
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    bazermc wrote: »
    Have I missed the briefing or are we still awaiting it?

    They are awaiting to announce today's covid case backlog to justify the draconian measures.


  • #5391
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,848 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Likewise and a few pints after

    Stay at home


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  • #5392
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It would need to be €10,000 as it's 2.5K for sneaking into a shop without one!

    Yes and they can add all the new uncollected fines to the hundreds of thousands of euros outstanding as of now.


  • #5393
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    I would argue most of us are immune in that our immune system will successfully beat this virus in 85% of us without any treatments or hospitalisation. That is our immune system operating immunity.

    Yes I agree. Most of us have robust immune systems and will fight covid. But I was talking about prior immunity. Like from childhood or previous bouts with a virus or even inherited. None of us have that proven to Covid. I know there is talk of some from other coronaviruses but I will wait on full research.
    But yes. Our bodies are strong. Though this is still a completely novel virus for our immune systems.


  • #5394
    snowgal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭snowgal


    TheRiverman wrote: »
    I hope the Gardai have those enforcement powers from this evening or at the latest midnight tonight, and not next week or later.

    I hope they give people abit of notice tbh, my job involves indoor settings, with alot of them happening this week. very short notice if from midnight..


  • #5395
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Tandey


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm off to a match with 199 other people now anyway and I'm gonna enjoy it. G'luck.

    Anything else you’d like to share? Because we all care:o


  • #5396
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Did the text at the bottom of the news just now say outdoor gatherings down to 15 people? My internet connection is f'ked.


  • #5397
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Perhaps even a constitutional amendment.

    What are they going to do about the numbers on halting sites? New sites perhaps. Maybe the Curragh racecourse?

    I was thinking it may be unconstitutional


  • #5398
    Oglaigh84
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭Oglaigh84


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    They'd want more than a warrant to come into my house, to be honest. Not a chance.

    Oh wow, look at the hard man.


  • #5399
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The huge rise as you put it was associated with factories. House parties have gone on throughout.

    Good luck if you think the guards are going to be running around estates all night checking if theres only 6 in the house.

    All it will take is for someone to report one going on and if their new powers are implemented correctly then the Gardaí will be legally entitled to enter a house and break up these parties if more than 6 people are present without needing a warrant to do so.


  • #5400
    snowgal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭snowgal


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Did the text at the bottom of the news just now say outdoor gatherings down to 15 people? My internet connection is f'ked.

    yes but with certain exceptions...


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  • #5401
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    statesaver wrote: »
    Amazing the posters here who would welcome Gardai entering their homes without proper legislation in place.

    WOW

    I haven't seen anybody advocating that.


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