Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

The 6 max in a house is a guideline to help stop the spread and any decent human will follow it. The way people are making it to be some north Korean type human right violation

Renjit wrote: »

The idea is to limit the spread. Majority workers will be taking it to their homes and community if not controlled. Additionally, you have community transmission which we may not know more about.

But this was always the case.

We were always going to see an increase, due to increased capacity for testing and opening up again.

None of this is unexpected

Renjit wrote: »

You should if you can and your employer should recommend that too. I have been working from home since March. Even though the employer has started with reduced capacity (by booking), there is little interest in people going back considering the risk vs reward.

There is very little risk for me going into the office it's more of a risk going into Dunnes to do the weekly shop or filling up the car with diesel. The effects it was having on my mental health was more worrying for me than catching the virus in work. I go in the front door sanatise my hands and up the stairs where there is more sanatiser and then into my office where i see nobody unless i go to the canteen which is large enough for social distancing and is well setup.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Do they expect the other 7 people on the property to pee on the rose bushes?

They can enjoy some strawberry milkshake instead :pac:

Renjit wrote: »

That's because testing parameters are relaxed. Earlier, you would not get tested even if you showed symptoms unless you fir the narrow criteria. We seems to be at the early levels now even though the reported numbers are large.

This is exacty it.

People are seeing the large case numbers coming in alongside the low death number and thinking the virus has become less deadly but in reality, we are testing way more and picking up the cases we didn't back in January/February.

Once this takes hold, we'll see hospital numbers increase to early year figures along with deaths, unfortunately.

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I just don’t understand why they have 6 inside the house and 15 in the garden. What if 8 people outside need the loo?

They can go home. It's not supposed to be a party, it's supposed to be small gatherings.

This was specifically called out as the issue with BBQs/house parties months ago. When they talk about "gatherings" they're not talking about 6pm till 2am eating and drinking. They're talking about arriving for dinner at 6 and going home at 8.

You can also use your head. My mother-in-law for example has a utility room door that allows access to a toilet without having to walk through the house. Most people don't have this luxury, but you can pre-plan your facilities before people arrive - make a clear route to a toilet that limits interaction and ask people to wipe down surfaces after use.

The measures they're looking at are primarily to keep hospitalisations down while we're in this grey period. We just don't know what the critical numbers will be when younger people get the virus, like they have now. If we can see cases rise by 1,000 a week and not see 200 people end up in hospital, then that informs the next steps of our response. Asking older people to limit their movements and visitors might be the game plan for the next 18 months.

Perhaps I am wrong but there's a definite changing of the narrative forming, this new government seems all over the place there's quite some mixed messaging afoot. I've noticed also a subtle delay in releasing daily figures, used to be out around 5.30pm, yesterday they were not released until well after main evening news, also no press conference yesterday after NPHET met.

I get a sense there is no coherent approach to this pandemic and its resurgence with only one item the focus of attention, opening schools

Very telling , a story in this mornings indo with a split appearing and interestingly its FG ministers stirring it against NPHET and in particular against the acting CMO

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"The senior minister also raised concerns about the interaction between Government and Nphet since Chief Medical Officer Dr Tony Holohan and was replaced by Dr Ronan Glynn.

"When Tony was there none of the letters were written without being discussed or agreed with government first," the source added."

This does not Bode well

GooglePlus wrote: »

This is exact it.

People are seeing the large case numbers coming in alongside the low death number and thinking the virus has become less deadly but in reality, we are testing way more and picking up the cases we didn't back in January/February.

Once this takes hold, we'll see hospital numbers increase to early year figures along with deaths, unfortunately.

I hope to god you're right otherwise current measures are a disproportionate response of the highest order.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0818/1159742-cabinet-covid/


Prof Kennelly also said the biggest risk to nursing home residents is that clusters will spill over into the community and infect staff who will bring it in to the nursing home environment. 

He said that several nursing homes have, for the first time in months, identified staff with positive tests for Covid-19 in the last few weeks.

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

I hope to god you're right otherwise current measures are a disproportionate response of the highest order.

I hope to god I'm wrong!

Is there any word on when the results of the antibody testing HSE is doing since June will be out? Would be curious to know asymptomatic spread up to now. Also this year government should offer a subsidised flu vaccine to reduce impact on GPs and hospitals. Know there was talks of expanding free vaccine to certain cohorts but need to do more.

Oranage2 wrote: »

The 6 max in a house is a guideline to help stop the spread and any decent human will follow it. The way people are making it to be some north Korean type human right violation

House parties went on during lockdown when nobody was supposed to be in other peoples houses, they'll still go on now regardless of what the limit is.

GooglePlus wrote: »

I hope to god I'm wrong!

As I mention above, we just don't know right now. The majority of new cases for the last month have been people under 45. For the time being we're not seeing any major jump in hospitalisations, which is good. But we have to be cautious and see how it pans out. If it does turn out that the hospitalisation rates for younger people is fractions of a percent, then we have quite a clear path forward on how to keep this thing under control.

It's never really been about ensuring nobody gets the virus. It's about trying to prevent hospitals being overrun and saving lives.

If we can "get back to normal" with simple restrictions like social distancing and hygiene, and by telling the elderly to limit their movements, then that's probably what we'll do in the long term.

Of course, that's the hard part. How do you say, "everyone under 60 is grand, above that look after yourself"? The two groups will mix, constantly. There's no way for it be rampant in the under-45s and not have it explode in the over-60s.