Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

MickeyLeari · 17-08-2020 10:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes

If someone gave what would be a personal view then best not to broadcast it on Boards but quite frankly no senior official in Revenue would ever say "no tax rate increases".

Perhaps someone down the food chain might spout off...

Arghus · 17-08-2020 10:42PM

average_runner wrote: »

It will change when the country runs out of money

I don't think that's imminent. It's not going to happen next week, next month or even 6 months from now. Struggling on like this is more financially sustainable than having to undergo another lockdown - which is the only outcome if you take away the controls you have in place to try to keep a lid on the virus. It's as simple as that.

niallo27 · 17-08-2020 10:43PM

I keep hearing that hospitals will be overwhelmed, had this happened anywhere in Europe since they lifted restrictions. And dont tell me we have the worst health care in Europe, we are not some 3rd world country.

17-08-2020 10:43PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Any chance they have worked for the Lehman Brothers?

Bear sterns I believe.

I understand no one will believe me, and why you wouldn’t, plus it would involve divulging a level of personal information, but I would trust the word of my source, and the clear rationale as to why it was the case, rather than randomers on here. I don’t make up **** on here, but have disagreed with many of you on interpretations so will leave it at that

The Belly · 17-08-2020 10:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Bear sterns I believe.

I understand no one will believe me, and why you wouldn’t, plus it would involve divulging a level of personal information, but I would trust the word of my source, and the clear rationale as to why it was the case, rather than randomers on here. I don’t make up **** on here, but have disagreed with many of you on interpretations so will leave it at that

I smell bull****.

growleaves · 17-08-2020 10:45PM

Swine flu is still around and still kills. If we locked down in 2009 and demanded a vaccine or zero deaths for that, we’d be eleven years locked down. Viruses don't disappear.

17-08-2020 10:45PM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

If someone gave what would be a personal view then best not to broadcast it on Boards but quite frankly no senior official in Revenue would ever say "no tax rate increases".

Perhaps someone down the food chain might spout off...

More along the lines of well funded once this doesn’t last more than 2 years. Perhaps I read more into that than was meant.

17-08-2020 10:49PM

The Belly wrote: »

I smell bull****.

I understand why so won’t take any offence

Arghus · 17-08-2020 10:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nothing more than what is happening now.
Pubs, restaurants, cinemas, shopping centres etc have no impact on factories.

We need to find out were the illness spreads and find ways to prevent it without stopping life.

We need to prevent it getting into nursing homes at all costs. Put better conditions in place in the factories . Stop flights from America.

Easier said than done of course. But blaming pubs and popular destinations for the spread when it’s not true is silly.

Nothing more than what is happening now. What's happening now is that we're teetering on the edge of losing control of the virus again.

We already know where the virus spreads. This is why certain places are still closed, certain activities are still prohibited and why there's been numerous changes to how we live our lives.

When you say we "need to prevent it getting into nursing homes at all costs" how can you fail to see that is what is being done right now. Everything that is being done now is designed to suppress the further spread of the virus. Because that's the biggest threat posed to nursing homes and other vulnerable settings: the virus circulating widely again in the community. That's how it gets in the first place. You say this must be avoided at "all costs" but want to engage in all the activities that ensure further spread of the virus. That doesn't make any sense.

bucketybuck · 17-08-2020 10:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Tax receipts are on a par with last year and expected to improve further for the remainder of the year.

So in a year when the entire country spent months in a lockdown with a clear and obvious detrimental effect on businesses, still the country is going to have the same tax receipts as last year? Despite last year being in your own words "a record year far beyond expectations"?

Yeah, thats logical.

FintanMcluskey · 17-08-2020 10:56PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I keep hearing that hospitals will be overwhelmed, had this happened anywhere in Europe since they lifted restrictions. And dont tell me we have the worst health care in Europe, we are not some 3rd world country.

Niallo the hospital's got overwhelmed only in regions with very specific demographics.

In northern Italy 10m citizens lived in an area the size of Munster, the age profile of which was one of the worlds oldest.

If the demographics of a region are densely populated and an old population hospitals will struggle, just like they do every influenza season

17-08-2020 10:58PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

So in a year when the entire country spent months in a lockdown with a clear and obvious detrimental effect on businesses, still the country is going to have the same tax receipts as last year? Despite last year being in your own words "a record year far beyond expectations"?

Yeah, thats logical.

Look at our exports. That’s the sector where the shortfall is being made up from.

17-08-2020 11:08PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

So in a year when the entire country spent months in a lockdown with a clear and obvious detrimental effect on businesses, still the country is going to have the same tax receipts as last year? Despite last year being in your own words "a record year far beyond expectations"?

Yeah, thats logical.

Seems unlikely

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ireland-budget/irish-pm-expects-budget-deficit-to-hit-30-billion-euros-this-year-idUKKCN24O2K5

Idbatterim · 17-08-2020 11:13PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Most of the world is in exactly the same boat. Going by some of the absolute off the wall stuff that is posted on here and the other threads in this forum people would think that Ireland is acting in complete contrast to the rest of Europe and beyond which is not the case at all. Anyway leaving that aside for the moment before you went on your break you stated that you had been in contact with some of your local TDs to express your views about the Irish government response to the virus. Are you still doing that?

The idiotoc response to education lockdown, is unique to here afaik...

17-08-2020 11:18PM

AdamD wrote: »

Seems unlikely

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ireland-budget/irish-pm-expects-budget-deficit-to-hit-30-billion-euros-this-year-idUKKCN24O2K5

Outgoings not incomings. Medium term funding is fine as long as this ends by 2022

The Belly · 17-08-2020 11:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Outgoings not incomings. Medium term funding is fine as long as this ends by 2022

This sounds like a AIB ad we back Brave.

John O.Groats · 17-08-2020 11:27PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

The idiotoc response to education lockdown, is unique to here afaik...

What are you trying to claim now? That Ireland was the only country to close the schools and colleges after the virus arrived? If so you are completely wrong.

Idbatterim · 17-08-2020 11:36PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

What are you trying to claim now? That Ireland was the only country to close the schools and colleges after the virus arrived? If so you are completely wrong.

The leaving cert situation was a disgraceful farce! Shutting the schools for months on end was a farce! What gem of information have they recently received, that allows them to reopen now, that they didnt know in april or may?

Schools will probably last a week or two, before being shut down !!!

John O.Groats · 17-08-2020 11:46PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

The leaving cert situation was a disgraceful farce! Shutting the schools for months on end was a farce! What gem of informtion have they recently received, that allows them to reopen now, that they didnt know in april or may?

Schools will probably last a week or two, before being shut down !!!

Clearly you haven't been following the current situation in the UK for example then. Do you think that is a "disgraceful farce" as well or is it only a farce when it gives you another opportunity to go on another of your hysterical rants?

Idbatterim · 17-08-2020 11:53PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Clearly you haven't been following the current situation in the UK for example then. Do you think that is a "disgraceful farce" as well or is it only a farce when it gives you another opportunity to go on another of your hysterical rants?

The uk ballsed up at the start though... wait for a few more people to test positive for covid when the schools open, but no more deaths... definitely justified in shutting down education again... to hell with working parents and kids education....

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 11:57PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Ask the Uyghurs in North West China...

No I agree. They drove tanks over protesters etc.
The facts are a virus with unknown potential emerged there. They locked down and are doing fine now. The west is literally being crippled due to this virus and the fact that personal liberties are preventing the controlling of the virus. I seriously do not think that it’s a coincidence.

I don’t want to live in China but I don’t want rolling lockdown. It’s a tricky problem. I wish I was in a water park though.

John O.Groats · 18-08-2020 12:16AM

Idbatterim wrote: »

The uk ballsed up at the start though... wait for a few more people to test positive for covid when the schools open, but no more deaths... definitely justified in shutting down education again... to hell with working parents and kids education....

So now you`re having another hysterical rant at the authorities for something that may or may not happen at all. Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

Idbatterim · 18-08-2020 04:08AM

John O.Groats wrote: »

So now you`re having another hysterical rant at the authorities for something that may or may not happen at all. Jesus Christ. :rolleyes:

Its hardly a hysterial rant! The hysteria is comimg from government and nphet!

Pitch n Putt · 18-08-2020 07:40AM

Idbatterimo wrote: »

Its hardly a hysterial rant! The hysteria is comimg from government and nphet!

Yes the over cautious NPHET who our government have given free reign too for the last six months are going to drag this out for years with their one step forward two back approach.

When did project Flatten the curve become Flatten the country because they (NPHET) are sending us that way.

Let’s not forget there is 21 people currently in hospital with this killer virus

21 people out of 5 million and NPHET are having a sh1t attack because of an increase in cases

This was always going to happen once things opened up. Cases were always going to rise.

This was what the pro lockdown brigade couldn’t get into their heads and many many people on this thread explained this to them but were ridiculed and labelled granny killers.

Well here it is in black and white. Lockdown was a costly waste of time. Vulnerable people should have been isolated and everything else should have continued as normal.

stephenjmcd · 18-08-2020 08:01AM

Older and vulnerable people are to be told to limit their time outdoors

Family gatherings indoors limited to 6 people. Outdoor gatherings at houses 15 people.

Work from home if possible continues ( it never ended).

Not much changes to be honest.

Cracks though showing again between NPHET and cabinet.

"Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

gral6 · 18-08-2020 08:10AM

I'd say that NPHET should resign now at this stage. Their useless advises are only making people really angry.

MickeyLeari · 18-08-2020 08:12AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Older and vulnerable people are to be told to limit their time outdoors

Family gatherings indoors limited to 6 people. Outdoor gatherings at houses 15 people.

Work from home if possible continues ( it never ended).

Not much changes to be honest.

Cracks though showing again between NPHET and cabinet.

"Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

To be fair to NPHET the measures are not OTT (basically targeting house parties and protecting the vulnerable). The problem in recent months has been the poor messaging and a distinct lack of calmness.

The obsession with travel was not helpful either - vast majority of travel is safe and other countries are actively addressing unsafe practices such as closing nightclubs and midnight curfews combined with fines for unsafe practices.

There is also huge inconsistency. Aviva Stadium can hold 50000 + yet teams are being restricted in terms of the number of players who can be at the stadium and journalists are being even more restricted. The same number would be able to attend a game in Tallaght Statium.

GocRh · 18-08-2020 08:25AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Older and vulnerable people are to be told to limit their time outdoors

Family gatherings indoors limited to 6 people. Outdoor gatherings at houses 15 people.

Work from home if possible continues ( it never ended).

Not much changes to be honest.

Cracks though showing again between NPHET and cabinet.

"Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

Any word on the green list review?
Cases per 100k in Germany and the UK have been consistently lower than Ireland, if there's any logic to the list they should be added.

The UK, despite the very poor response at first, does seem to have brought cases under control.

I wonder if there will be yet another u-turn in government policy. Might as well scrap the green list altogether if it is not extended in line with the latest case numbers.

Idbatterim · 18-08-2020 08:26AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Older and vulnerable people are to be told to limit their time outdoors

Family gatherings indoors limited to 6 people. Outdoor gatherings at houses 15 people.

Work from home if possible continues ( it never ended).

Not much changes to be honest.

Cracks though showing again between NPHET and cabinet.

"Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

Tp hell with the cabinet ministers! This is always the case, rely on a body here for advice, its lauaghable! If they wanted far better approaches, theyd have looked at other properly run countries from the start! Chronic lack of leadership, nobody wants to take responsibility, country crippled by conservatism... there was never voimg to be any other outcome! Put ot tbis way, if rte grilled a mimister on if one more covid death or a billion euro cost to government would be more pallatable, where would he sign for the billion euro ?

GocRh · 18-08-2020 08:32AM

gral6 wrote: »

I'd say that NPHET should resign now at this stage. Their useless advises are only making people really angry.

They are advisors to the government, not to the public. All advice to the public should come only from government officials in the HSE.

It's about time the government reigns in on the narrative and communication to the public, by having the NPHET address only to the government as is their role. You don't see the SAGE in the UK holding press conferences every night.

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