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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #4622
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,889 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    smellyoldboot wrote: »
    Gomey.

    Sure what you know, you are just a smelly old boot ;)

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #4623
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I posted this on Tony Holohan's twitter page, a plea if you like.

    https://twitter.com/pinkfloydish/status/1295513142815068161?fbclid=IwAR0WgxdnU019QE5vtylxO8QJdUK_xO99tHIWlMDmp8qwjN_NnVzrHLqNSrA

    His wife has cancer and is in palliative care. Would you leave him alone for fecks sake.


  • #4624
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,889 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    His wife has cancer and is in palliative care. Would you leave him alone for fecks sake.

    Hey I'm not actually expecting him to come back, I'm just making a point and a statement that our present government has been pretty useless.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #4625
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,158 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Hey I'm not actually expecting him to come back, I'm just making a point and a statement that our present government has been pretty useless.

    I'm sure he's got better things to be doing right now than checking his twitter account


  • #4626
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    marno21 wrote: »
    A Tipperary lockdown, if these clusters in Golden and Cahir continue to grow, needs to be thought through carefully. If John from Portroe can't head on his staycation because there's clusters 80km away in food processing plants, it's going to dent confidence in the already troubled tourism industry in this country.

    These random clusters popping up in food processing facilities would make you wonder how many mild or asymptomatic cases there are hiding in the general population at large.

    It must be absolutely rampant in the wider community. While to focus is on food processing at the moment, I reckon If they did testing in random supermarkets and building sites it would show that the virus is rampant amongst people working in those environments too.


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  • #4627
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,579 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.


  • #4628
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Hey I'm not actually expecting him to come back, I'm just making a point and a statement that our present government has been pretty useless.

    Its much easier to lockdown than open up.

    This bit was always the hard part, and has been globally.


  • #4629
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Not sure they can advise staying in your own county

    Would destroy what little tourism is keeping hotels and restaurants going

    If that’s the plan they better tell us today. We’ve a wend booked this week and today is cancellation cut off.


  • #4630
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Big roll shortages already being reported nationwide.


  • #4631
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭prunudo


    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    Sounds like they don't know if they're coming or going. Lets be honest, the case numbers may be higher than a month ago but that is because they are blanket testing clusters. The reports of high volumes of asymptomatic cases shows that illness isn't as serious as they led us to believe for the vast majority.
    We have to start living with this virus and restricting outdoor gatherings to 15 is the wrong way to go about that.


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  • #4632
    Leftwaffe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Leftwaffe


    What are they going to restrict? Ffs the rest of Europe is open and we're going backwards.

    Sort out your tracking and tracing, sort out your meat plants, sort out the travel, give us better data to deal with.

    This thing is here to stay. Wash your hands, wear a mask. We have to get on with life.


  • #4633
    Tefral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Tefral


    prunudo wrote: »
    the reports of high volumes of asymptomatic cases shows that illness isn't as serious as they led us to believe for the vast majority.
    We have to start living with this virus and restricting outdoor gatherings to 15 is the wrong way to go about that.

    I kinda half agree with you. However, have you seen the German medical reports about the long term damage to peoples organs it can do? Including those with little or no symptoms.

    The problem at the moment is its all reactionary rather than any real forward planning


  • #4634
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    Who’s going to enforce this?

    Answer =Nobody

    Game is up people are fatigued with all the restrictions and chopping and changing.

    All pointless.

    Spreading in work environments mainly now.
    Have had long enough to get a handle on it in these places. Hasn’t happened

    Schools supposedly next plan to open up.

    Everything else going backwards whilst the try to push forward with school reopening.

    Another mess ahead here. No solid plan in place.

    They’ve had almost 6 months but nothing really done until a month ago.


  • #4635
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭gifted


    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    Not exactly reassuring recommendations are they?....can't see people taking any more notice of these .


  • #4636
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭celt262


    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    I have no intention of working from home again I did it for 3 months and was near breaking point at end of it. I can go into the office and not be in close contact with anyone from morning till evening.


  • #4637
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Tefral wrote: »
    I kinda half agree with you. However, have you seen the German medical reports about the long term damage to peoples organs it can do? Including those with little or no symptoms.

    The problem at the moment is its all reactionary rather than any real forward planning

    Breathing in diesel fumes has long term effects, eating greasy food every day has long term effects, drinking alcohol has long term effects, even contuined stress and worry have long term effects.

    Everything in this life has risk, the experts and scientists will find issues with everything if they look hard enough.

    As has been said before, the way the authorities are reacting is like covid is the only illness or thing to cause death.


  • #4638
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    These potential lockdown measures don't really change a whole lot, if that's what they put in place this evening.

    They're not going to change anyone's behaviour, so a waste of time in my eyes.

    I suppose they have to be seen to have done something before schools reopen as there is potential for that to be a disaster and they'll be able to say that they tried their best but really they're just playing the public like a fiddle.


  • #4639
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    Just to clarify its outdoor gatherings at houses, not outdoor gatherings such as the 200 allowed at GAA matches for example.

    The work home from is already still in play from the first round of lockdown, nothing changed there. As per the roadmap those who can work from home are to do so. There was no end date on that.

    Only new measures are older people to restrict movements and 6 from 3 houses.

    But again they've no control over what goes on in private houses, even during the early lockdown there were still house parties and there still will be now.

    There really is nothing that new there, already measures that were in place.


  • #4640
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    As expected didn't take long for cracks to show.

    "Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries. Increasing frustration over Covid-19 restrictions is expected to play out when the Cabinet meets today. Fine Gael ministers are expected to push for less restrictive measures despite the increase in new cases.

    A Cabinet source said there were concerns at the highest ranks of Cabinet that Nphet had "departed from the European mainstream in the severity of their advice" as they are "under pressure from academic commentators as opposed to solid science".

    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html


  • #4641
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    Cabinet are seemingly not all convinced on the proposed measures. Asking older people to Cocoon again will not go down particularly well.

    Logically people know that the vast majority of cases are from known clusters.


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  • #4642
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    As expected didn't take long for cracks to show.

    "Cabinet ministers are becoming increasingly frustrated with Nphet advice on the pandemic as they believe it is out of kilter with advice being put forward by public-health experts in other EU countries. Increasing frustration over Covid-19 restrictions is expected to play out when the Cabinet meets today. Fine Gael ministers are expected to push for less restrictive measures despite the increase in new cases.

    A Cabinet source said there were concerns at the highest ranks of Cabinet that Nphet had "departed from the European mainstream in the severity of their advice" as they are "under pressure from academic commentators as opposed to solid science".

    https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/older-people-will-be-told-to-limit-time-outdoors-and-family-gatherings-to-be-reduced-to-six-to-try-to-stall-resurgence-of-covid-19-39458325.html

    Simon Harris will no doubt we sitting on the FF side of the table on this one.


  • #4643
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,149 ✭✭✭prunudo


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just to clarify its outdoor gatherings at houses, not outdoor gatherings such as the 200 allowed at GAA matches for example.

    Okay that makes more sense, I was wondering where they were going with their advice. I suppose we'll see later in the day what is announced. But in my mind for the vast majority of counties any further restrictions aren't needed.


  • #4644
    mr_edge_to_you
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    Doesn’t matter what restrictions or controls they implement, its a pointless exercise if they’re not adhered to or enforced.


  • #4645
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Maybe if state departments did their jobs properly we wouldn't be where we are.

    Govt need to be leaning hard on the likes of the HSA and the shysters within and not be clashing with NPHET.


  • #4646
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    prunudo wrote: »
    Okay that makes more sense, I was wondering where they were going with their advice. I suppose we'll see later in the day what is announced. But in my mind for the vast majority of counties any further restrictions aren't needed.

    "Nphet has also recommended that only six people should be permitted in a home from three separate houses in a bid to clamp down on house parties and outdoor home gathering should be reduced to 15 people."

    But up to government to decide and as per the independent, some in cabinet don't agree with NPHET now.


  • #4647
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    ChikiChiki wrote: »
    Maybe if state departments did their jobs properly we wouldn't be where we are.

    Govt need to be leaning hard on the likes of the HSA and the shysters within and not be clashing with NPHET.

    If you look at the membership of NPHET, many of those people have key roles within the HSE and should be the ones putting the pressure on other Stage bodies on the context of their own roles. If they hit road blocks then it goes up the line.


  • #4648
    [Deleted User]
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    JTMan wrote: »
    Irish Independent reports:

    - Older people to be asked to restrict movements.
    - Outdoor gatherings to be limited to 15 people.
    - Work from home to be required for those that can work from home. i.e. offices to re-close unless staff cannot work from home.
    - Max 6 people in a home from max 3 households

    Very serious NPHET concerns ahead of school reopenings.

    Evidence based I see. Load of outbreaks amongst those who gather outside and those who work in offices


  • #4649
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    There were 21 confirmed cases in hospital yesterday morning, up from 13 at the weekend and eight of these patients were in intensive care.

    The trend in patients hospitalised with the virus over three days is the highest rise since mid-June


  • #4650
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    marno21 wrote: »
    A Tipperary lockdown, if these clusters in Golden and Cahir continue to grow, needs to be thought through carefully. If John from Portroe can't head on his staycation because there's clusters 80km away in food processing plants, it's going to dent confidence in the already troubled tourism industry in this country.

    Welcome to Kildare.... My town with a population of just under 20k has had 3 cases since June but we are lumped in with the factory clusters.


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  • #4651
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Still no mention of the meat factories. Incredible. Just tell the older people to hide away again and implement completely unenforceable guidelines about how many people can visit your house.

    They need to tackle the root causes of the new outbreaks or they're going to lose public support fast.

    Reading between the lines, I don't think they are overly worried about relatively large amounts of cases in factories.

    In some ways they have a point, the virus didn't walk itself into these factories it was picked up by someone in the community.

    These large clusters are just a magnification of how the virus is spreading.

    But you are correct if the "leaked" guidelines are accurate, they will be pretty useless.

    Might as well be asking people to wash their hands faster.


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