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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #4592
    [Deleted User]
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    Gruffalox wrote: »
    We have been chatting about this at home. Why China is being very cautious? Because it is not like over the past many hundreds of years the Chinese controlling elite whoever they were at the time gave a single fiddlers about millions of deaths. I don't know.

    People have much more individual freedom now though, and much more aspirations towards a more prosperous life. A major shock could easily turn hope to anger and that’s why the Chinese government will tread carefully. It’s also got to be remembered that it’s only 2 generations since the cultural revolution misdirected anger towards the perceived old elites to perpetrate those atrocities. The Chinese leadership have a good historical perspective and realise that as much as they want control, if the people no longer acquiesce that control could come under threat


  • #4593
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's true as well. Options are fairly limited.

    Public opinion on restrictions seems to be alot more divided now than a few months ago when nearly everyone agreed we needed restrictions. The public bought into it and got on with it, can't see that second time round

    People did their time... For the greater good.

    Then, a bunch of food processing plants and selfish minority undid all that work. There is no public appetite to go through it again.. only for the same sectors to undo it... Again.


  • #4594
    Walnut Salad
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Walnut Salad


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    They would lose prestige. Why get the most gold medals in the Olympics?

    They don't. They were 3rd in the medals table at the last Summer Olympics.

    A country with 5% of the Chinese population beat them.


  • #4595
    Flimsy_Boat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 154 ✭✭Flimsy_Boat


    Will there be a another lockdown announcement tomorrow at 11 am?


  • #4596
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,861 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    That's true as well. Options are fairly limited.

    Public opinion on restrictions seems to be alot more divided now than a few months ago when nearly everyone agreed we needed restrictions. The public bought into it and got on with it, can't see that second time round

    Less willingness is probably the true state of play. I’d simply empty every prison of people who have served say xx % of any non violent / non sexual crime..

    Get cameras down to the joy, Limerick, midlands, portlaoise prisons, show empty cells, a quick snapshot of prison life and finally..

    “It’s time everybody mucked in and were responsible, if you don’t think it’s time, you can think about DOING time”


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  • #4597
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not sure what they can really do, Donnelly on radio stations earlier saying no lockdowns and that they were very hopeful of lifting the one in place for the 3 counties.

    Can't afford to shut down businesses again. Bar maybe as you say nursing home / hosptial restrictions and maybe advising to stay in your own county, seeing as they love kneejerk reactions probably just get rid of the green list completely, not sure what else can be brought in.

    With them mentioning fatigue recently you really don't want to bring in anything too major to keep public buy in

    Advising someone to stay in their own county is not a restriction. It’s a cop out. Implement mandatory testing and quarantine on arrival would be an effective measure. I agree with you though. We don’t do anything preemptive so it’ll have to get a lot worse before they do anything further to stop it.


  • #4598
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    spookwoman wrote: »
    1st april Back around then shortage of testing kits, long delays in getting results and only testing around 1,500 a day or so

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0401/1127767-coronavirus-ireland-testing/

    tests per day from 14th march to 31st march
    946
    1469
    1564
    978
    2631
    1516
    1775
    3376
    2941
    2206
    1616
    1397
    1928

    Great info thanks very much


  • #4599
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Not sure what they can really do, Donnelly on radio stations earlier saying no lockdowns and that they were very hopeful of lifting the one in place for the 3 counties.

    Can't afford to shut down businesses again. Bar maybe as you say nursing home / hosptial restrictions and maybe advising to stay in your own county, seeing as they love kneejerk reactions probably just get rid of the green list completely, not sure what else can be brought in.

    With them mentioning fatigue recently you really don't want to bring in anything too major to keep public buy in

    Yeah don't think there will be huge measures. House parties and socialising seem to be mentioned. Like you said before houses always where and can't penalise all pubs open now for a few dozen pubs acting the maggot. I think they will be targeted at protecting vulnerable vs lockdown of counties say. I really think large scale regular testing has to play a part especially with asymptomatic cases. Not sure if temporary testing centres are still in place in Kildare, Laoise and Offaly but good way to try to catch it before it spreads more.


  • #4600
    Walnut Salad
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34 ✭Walnut Salad


    Flimsy_Boat wrote: »
    Will there be a another lockdown announcement tomorrow at 11 am?

    Will you calm down. How have you coped for the past 6 months?

    Maybe stockpiling toilet roll would keep you distracted?


  • #4601
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Yeah don't think there will be huge measures. House parties and socialising seem to be mentioned. Like you said before houses always where and can't penalise all pubs open now for a few dozen pubs acting the maggot. I think they will be targeted at protecting vulnerable vs lockdown of counties say. I really think large scale regular testing has to play a part especially with asymptomatic cases. Not sure if temporary testing centres are still in place in Kildare, Laoise and Offaly but good way to try to catch it before it spreads more.

    I for one find it disingenuous of them to be warning against house parties and closing pubs at 11pm.


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  • #4602
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,861 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I for one find it disingenuous of them to be warning against house parties and closing pubs at 11pm.

    It’s not the governments fault if people cant or won’t adhere to restrictions that we have been asked to comply with as a life saving and health ensuring measure. Experts said approximately 3500 lives saved back in April so the guts of 7000 or more by now.


  • #4603
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Fairly vague but seems to be the speculation in media lately alright. Can't see another national lockdown and seem reluctant to do more county restrictions unless necessary. Maybe restrictions on nursing home visits say? https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1295481752786472960?s=19

    Fairly obvious this was on the cards given the rising cases. I can see the existing pubs having more restrictions put on them, possibly earlier closing time or closed altogether.

    And gyms may also be forced to close. Household gatherings down to 6 again.


  • #4604
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Strumms wrote: »
    Less willingness is probably the true state of play. I’d simply empty every prison of people who have served say xx % of any non violent / non sexual crime..

    Get cameras down to the joy, Limerick, midlands, portlaoise prisons, show empty cells, a quick snapshot of prison life and finally..

    “It’s time everybody mucked in and were responsible, if you don’t think it’s time, you can think about DOING time”

    Lol


  • #4605
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    I for one find it disingenuous of them to be warning against house parties and closing pubs at 11pm.

    I guess they still want them operating as restaurants as such so not sure do people really go to have a meal after that time. I'm sure house parties happen after and pubs staying open later too but guess that risk is always there. Probably happens too with people not going to 2 pubs in a row or spend more money on food so just go back to a house.


  • #4606
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,613 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Rambling Man wrote:
    You think the Government should have been physically stopping sports fans from travelling to UK?
    No they should have banned travel into and out of the country before then.


  • #4607
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Fairly obvious this was on the cards given the rising cases. I can see the existing pubs having more restrictions put on them, possibly earlier closing time or closed altogether.

    And gyms may also be forced to close. Household gatherings down to 6 again.

    Do you think they will be that broad? I'm not so sure. Will have to wait and see I guess!


  • #4608
    hotmail.com
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    Eod100 wrote: »
    Do you think they will be that broad? I'm not so sure. Will have to wait and see I guess!

    I'm not quite sure where they have room to manoeuvre other than to close pubs/gyms and possibly restaurants.

    Restrictions on travel within Ireland is unlikely as it will damage the staycation thing.


  • #4609
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure where they have room to manoeuvre other than to close pubs/gyms and possibly restaurants.

    Restrictions on travel within Ireland is unlikely as it will damage the staycation thing.

    Yeah true. I was just thinking might be more targeted to try to prevent it getting into nursing homes, direct provision centres etc but not sure what that could involve besides say visitor restrictions.


  • #4610
    SeaBreezes
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    I'm not quite sure where they have room to manoeuvre other than to close pubs/gyms and possibly restaurants.

    Restrictions on travel within Ireland is unlikely as it will damage the staycation thing.

    Locality based. Same as before. Rolling lockdowns based on numbers.


  • #4611
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    Locality based. Same as before. Rolling lockdowns based on numbers.

    Tipperary must be bracing itself for bad news.


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  • #4612
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    I don't know. Loads of things I don't know. Hurts me head sometimes how much I don't know!

    Couple of thoughts though... 1 in every 150 people dying from something that could run like wildfire through our species due to little defense and big contagiousness is not negligible on a per capita basis.
    Especially if it repeats.
    Also the long term effects of surviving it are not quantifiable yet. Maybe China fears them. Loss of productive ability in a percentage of survivors would be a big cost if the sequelae are debilitating.
    Possibilities behind caution.

    Edit 150 not 180.


    Yeah I’m wondering about this too. It’s perfectly suited to crippling economies that hold personal liberty as a right. Essentially the west is being slowly crippled due to not restricting.

    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1295471642865545217?s=21


  • #4613
    Del Griffith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    mloc123 wrote: »
    People did their time... For the greater good.

    Then, a bunch of food processing plants and selfish minority undid all that work. There is no public appetite to go through it again.. only for the same sectors to undo it... Again.

    It was a debatably a waste of time then and it'll definitely be a waste of time if it happens again too.
    Posts like the above ignore the fact that we were told they were temporary measures to allow the services to cope. Well the services did cope and are coping. Unless you plan on being locked down for years (vaccine) or forever, then there is going to be some level of cases. This isn't "all our hard work being undone", this is called getting on with it.


  • #4614
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,613 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Del Griffith wrote:
    It was a waste of time then and it'll be a waste of time if it happens again too. Posts like these ignore the fact that we were told they were temporary measures to allow the services to cope. Well the services did cope and are coping. Unless you plan on being locked down for years (vaccine) or forever, then there is going to be some level of cases. This isn't "all our hard work being undone", this is called getting on with it.
    How long do you the no it takes to get covid free? I think you can do it in eight weeks. Lock everything down, deal with the cases at hand. As soon as they clear up.you are covid free. Staying that way is the more difficult thing. Nobody in without passing a test. You get quarantined if you have it returning. You get sent back to where you came from if you are not resident and you have covid.


  • #4615
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    How long do you the no it takes to get covid free? I think you can do it in eight weeks. Lock everything down, deal with the cases at hand. As soon as they clear up.you are covid free. Staying that way is the more difficult thing. Nobody in without passing a test. You get quarantined if you have it returning. You get sent back to where you came from if you are not resident and you have covid.

    Knowingly send someone infected on a flight?


  • #4616
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,705 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Your a fairly uneducated person if he you think "covid free" is a realistic goal without a vaccine.


  • #4617
    Maestro85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 199 ✭✭Maestro85


    Mate of mine back home in Clare told me there are 3 cases in Lahinch now and one suspected (to be confirmed) case in the Aran Islands. I was planning on heading back home in September fml and going out and about as I had hoped things would have quietened with the east coast tourists coming in on the family staycations all going back east.. speaking to him about tourism there and by the sounds of it Clare is the 4th highest now in recent spikes or am I wrong.... too tired and lazy to look up the numbers again.


  • #4618
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    A Tipperary lockdown, if these clusters in Golden and Cahir continue to grow, needs to be thought through carefully. If John from Portroe can't head on his staycation because there's clusters 80km away in food processing plants, it's going to dent confidence in the already troubled tourism industry in this country.

    These random clusters popping up in food processing facilities would make you wonder how many mild or asymptomatic cases there are hiding in the general population at large.


  • #4619
    JP Liz V1
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    Super_Sonic wrote: »
    I'm really questioning why amateur clubs are operating at all, it's only a hobby. No point risking you health and that of your family and friends over it.

    There might be some discussion to be had over professional clubs as many people, not just players, depend on them for income.

    There has been quite a few sports clubs with positive tested players and staff
    Carlow GAA is facing a Covid-19 crisis with Mount Leinster Rangers becoming the fourth club in the county to halt activities until further notice in recent days.

    Mount Leinster Rangers, Leinster club SHC champions in 2013, were forced to make the call yesterday morning after a club member was identified as a close contact with a confirmed Covid-19 case.

    It comes after Clonmore, Fenagh and Ballon were forced to suspend activities in recent days with a Clonmore player confirming to have tested positive for coronavirus

    https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/carlow-facing-covid-crisis-after-fourth-gaa-club-halts-activities-39451299.html
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #4620
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,878 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Leo , Simon and Tony kept us all on our toes
    Where is MM when the numbers are rising and anxiety increasing ?
    No leadership , no one around who gives a toss

    I posted this on Tony Holohan's twitter page, a plea if you like.

    https://twitter.com/pinkfloydish/status/1295513142815068161?fbclid=IwAR0WgxdnU019QE5vtylxO8QJdUK_xO99tHIWlMDmp8qwjN_NnVzrHLqNSrA

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #4621
    smellyoldboot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭smellyoldboot


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I posted this on Tony Holhan's twitter page, a plea if you like.

    https://twitter.com/pinkfloydish/status/1295513142815068161?fbclid=IwAR0WgxdnU019QE5vtylxO8QJdUK_xO99tHIWlMDmp8qwjN_NnVzrHLqNSrA

    Gomey.


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