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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #4082
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Donnelly said he is "very hopeful" Covid-19 restrictions put in place in Kildare, Laois and Offaly will be lifted next week.

    https://amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health-minister-stephen-donnelly-very-hopeful-restrictions-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly-will-be-lifted-next-week-39455706.html?__twitter_impression=true
    But but but restrictions


  • #4083
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    schools will be key.

    Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

    We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.


  • #4084
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    MD1990 wrote: »
    schools will be key.

    Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

    We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.

    I agree. I think schools should be opened before any drastic decisions are made.


  • #4085
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    Posts: 1,662 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Wow, that's a colossal number, looks like my prediction was a week early. But honestly looking at those figures we've lost the battle. Either lock up now or let the government tell us the plan. This waiting and letting things get worse is not acceptable!

    Don't think we've lost the battle, but we have lost ground. Slowly to begin with and then quickly. Its a pity we had a wholesale change in Govt Ministers and a new acting CMO. Maybe its just the optics of it, but cant of helped. This will be very demoralising for the public to lose hard fought easing of restrictions. The govt plan is not working, time to listen to the scientists and less of the other stakeholders(bars/airlines etc.). Why would a publican or an airline owner know how to control an infectious disease, the like of which we have not seen in most peoples lifetime. Leave it to the experts= Zero covid policy. Will we eliminate, no, but we may control it better if aim to eliminate, and slightly fail, than the current policy of general vagueness, fingers crossed and giving out to young people.


  • #4086
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Southdoc seeing an increase in testing required, I thought it was only a GP referred you unless I guess very sick symptomatic etc.,

    Out of hours services would handle referrals at the weekend, and while their GP might know that Tom is a hypochondriac, and Mary's symptoms are actually hayfever, a stranger would just refer. There would have been an increase in calls, you would imagine, when people heard the 200 number


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  • #4087
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Don't think we've lost the battle, but we have lost ground. Slowly to begin with and then quickly. Its a pity we had a wholesale change in Govt Ministers and a new acting CMO. Maybe its just the optics of it, but cant of helped. This will be very demoralising for the public to lose hard fought easing of restrictions. The govt plan is not working, time to listen to the scientists and less of the other stakeholders(bars/airlines etc.). Why would a publican or an airline owner know how to control an infectious disease, the like of which we have not seen in most peoples lifetime. Leave it to the experts= Zero covid policy. Will we eliminate, no, but we may control it better if aim to eliminate, and slightly fail, than the current policy of general vagueness, fingers crossed and giving out to young people.

    I’ve been very disappointed with the blame game being played on certain groups of people lately tbh, the whole reason this spike is happening in some counties is because of poor enforcement (factories, for example.)


  • #4088
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,525 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Coronavirus Ireland: No Covid-19 briefing today as NPHET meeting held instead https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/coronavirus-briefing-postponed-monday-ireland-22534557
    I'd prefer if they were going to announce whatever they are going to announce tmw today


  • #4089
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Southdoc seeing an increase in testing required, I thought it was only a GP referred you unless I guess very sick symptomatic etc.,

    6 people seems quite low to me for southdoc in a day to be honest. For the entire south of the country.


  • #4090
    seanb85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We only need to stop them before it becomes a drain on the acute hospitals.

    And increase of 7 admissions in the week is not that.

    Obviously not yet, but you need to act ahead of time, all the important aspects are trending slowly upwards, there is a much greater level of disease (and therefore transmission) occurring than a few weeks ago. As clusters are dealt with new ones will inevitably pop up, this will strain everything (testing, tracing, hospitals, ICU).


  • #4091
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    LATEST TESTING UPDATE (48hrs)

    Tests conducted last 48 hours: 15,885
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 54,816
    Additional positive tests: 259
    Positivity Rate: 1.6%
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.3%

    Wow. Think we can forget about the schools reopening tbh. We need our lazy inept government to get back from their holidays now.


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  • #4092
    GooglePlus
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    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    6 people seems quite low to me for southdoc in a day to be honest. For the entire south of the country.

    It's the increase and not the number that worried him, I think.

    Was it not one GP only also, not the entire south?


  • #4093
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    It's the increase and not the number that worried him, I think.

    Was it not one GP only also, not the entire south?

    SouthDoc is a phone service for the entire of the south, it’s one number and there’s usually a GP answering calls and the rest do walk ins


  • #4094
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    MD1990 wrote: »
    schools will be key.

    Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

    We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.

    Based on what we are seeing, I think we could manage as long as we keep it below 5k per week. At that level, we would likely have < 15 deaths per week once the care homes and vulnerable are protected.


  • #4095
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    MD1990 wrote: »
    schools will be key.

    Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

    We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.

    We won't be able to cope with approximately 200 cases a day. Community transmissions will rise higher with 200 cases a day. Also we have to be mindful of the long haul covid and healthcare workers were hit hard by covid originally so a lot of staff and nurses may not be available for work and care in hospitals. I know many people will argue cases are rising and the hospitals are doing OK now so there won't be any need for covid care in hospitals. That won't be the case when schools go back and if we see 200 cases a day. Cases will sink in deeper into communities and more older people will probably get the covid too like grandparents.


  • #4096
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,096 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    seanb85 wrote: »
    Obviously not yet, but you need to act ahead of time, all the important aspects are trending slowly upwards, there is a much greater level of disease (and therefore transmission) occurring than a few weeks ago. As clusters are dealt with new ones will inevitably pop up, this will strain everything (testing, tracing, hospitals, ICU).

    Not necessarily, were catching the fringe cases that would have never been found without massive testing. Hospital cases don't seem to rising majorly yet. Couple of weeks before we know if the casedemic theroy is correct but it's pointing that way.


  • #4097
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Wow. Think we can forget about the schools reopening tbh. We need our lazy inept government to get back from their holidays now.

    Eh the cabinet which makes decisions continues to work. Cabinet meetings can be called at any time. As we saw with the Kildare, Offally and Laois decision.

    The Dáil doesn't sit but that doesn't mean government stops working.


  • #4098
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Based on what we are seeing, I think we could manage as long as we keep it below 5k per week. At that level, we would likely have < 15 deaths per week once the care homes and vulnerable are protected.

    If we're reaching 5k cases a week, it would never stay at 5k a week.


  • #4099
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    MD1990 wrote: »
    schools will be key.

    Once they open we will have to see how much cases go up.

    We could probably cope with 200 cases a day but if schools cause it to go 400+ we will be in trouble.

    We are in trouble right now and it's not even Autumn officially.

    I expected these kind of increases when schools returned but for them to be happening prior to that is not good.


  • #4100
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    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Wow. Think we can forget about the schools reopening tbh. We need our lazy inept government to get back from their holidays now.

    Dail =/= Government


  • #4101
    seanb85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Based on what we are seeing, I think we could manage as long as we keep it below 5k per week. At that level, we would likely have < 15 deaths per week once the care homes and vulnerable are protected.

    If it gets to 5k a week there is no way of maintaining it at that level even in an only partially open society. You wouldn't be able to keep it away from the "vulnerable", we are all too closely connected. That is not how infectious disease works when there is no resistance to the virus.


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  • #4102
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    The Unbearables wrote: »
    We are in trouble right now and it's not even Autumn officially.

    I expected these kind of increases when schools returned but for them to be happening prior to that is not good.

    You know that only two counties have had greater than 10 cases per day over the past two days?


  • #4103
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    GooglePlus wrote: »
    If we're reaching 5k cases a week, it would never stay at 5k a week.

    What i am saying is our measures need to keep it under 5k per week. If we couldn't keep it under 5k per week and vast majority of cases are not within specific regions, the return to phase 1/2 is inevitable. Lockdown will not happen nationwide though


  • #4104
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Good clarification from Gardai on what powers they do have.

    In relation to Berlin D2 they say they don't have the power to shut this down in relation to social distancing / public health grounds, Its not mentioned but they can of course enforce existing licencing laws.

    As also explained previously Gardai can't shutdown a house party.

    https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1295382377439477761?s=09


  • #4105
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    What would you do? Theirs no easy way out of this pandemic. The best strategy seems to be suppression similar to Asia. Im not sure we have the culture for that. Asian people are in general much more disciplined.

    Control our Airports/Ports better with stricter quarantine etc. and get our politicians to start a charm offensive with NI/UK to reciprocate. Tell the people we are aiming for zero covid to get them to buy into greater restrictions in the short term. All of the other tools we have in place were good. There was a day in June i think were we had 5 cases in the whole of the island. We had it beaten into submission, but week after week we had imported cases reported not properly quarantined. All those asian countries have strict quarantine/border controls. Supressing the virus with weak border controls is like building a house with poor foundations. Meat plant clusters is an effect of poor border control rather than the cause of outbreaks. The people have been disciplined, it is government policy that has failed us since June.


  • #4106
    Gael23
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    Apparently huge number to come tonight


  • #4107
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    wadacrack wrote: »
    You keep saying the same thing but just increase the number every 3 to 4 weeks.

    4 weeks time.. "once we keep it under 1000 a day we should be fine" :pac:


  • #4108
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,452 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Apparently huge number to come tonight

    Appearently according to who?


  • #4109
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,271 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    https://twitter.com/TippFM/status/1295385259211718656?s=19


  • #4110
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    giveitholly wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TippFM/status/1295385259211718656?s=19

    Another factory.... seriously


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  • #4111
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    I am not sure why people are convinced the schools will be some major cause for increased cases. Childcare is now open 7 weeks with I think 2 outbreaks associated with them (one in Dublin which was a worker returning from travel and the Navan cluster).


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