Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

17-08-2020 01:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

The right side of the graph is definitely bigger than the left side.

Also that is a quite high amount of swabs taken for a Saturday.

Here is the one for 7 days earlier
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-10-august-2020.pdf

fly_agaric · 17-08-2020 01:56PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

We have 1200 excess deaths to their 225,000 however. Confirmed deaths do not paint the full picture . There is strong evidence of very significant undercounting of deaths actually, in states such as Florida which have reported 'pneumonia deaths' as multiples more than even in a bad winter influenza outbreak. That doesn't seem suspicious to you? Massive increase in pneumonia deaths in July unrelated to the ongoing pandemic ? Many states such as Texas only count covid deaths if it was the primary cause of death.

Overcounting certainly not an issue in the US.

Very true. They are the Western country that has hewn closest to what the likes of so many posters here want for Ireland.
Considerably more people have died even with their leader and 1/2 of political system pushing to under test and under count for various reasons.
It also turns out that even in the US alot of the population are not solely economic gdp production/consumption units who will just keep calm + carry on as directed by their leaders/betters in the face of the virus. The economy takes a severe hit anyway.

An Ciarraioch · 17-08-2020 02:07PM

The Basque Country declares a public health emergency after a new spike in recent weeks - lockdown ruled out, but restricted local zones a la LOK are being considered:

https://www.eitb.eus/es/noticias/sociedad/detalle/7433515/coronavirus-covid19-todo-emergencia-sanitaria-euskadi-17-agosto-2020/

Benimar · 17-08-2020 02:10PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here is the one for 7 days earlier
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-10-august-2020.pdf

The community referrals info for the w/c 3rd August is different on both reports.

I'd have assumed it would be the same (or certainly not wildly different as it is)?

eagle eye · 17-08-2020 02:21PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Rte really ramping up concerns about the reopening of schools

I wouldn't be surprised if NPHET recommend more restrictions over the next few weeks

Hope I'm wrong though

The latest is that the Government are going to help homeschool children with underlying conditions but no mention of children with parents with serious underlying conditions which seems insane to me.

ACitizenErased · 17-08-2020 02:22PM

Benimar wrote: »

The community referrals info for the w/c 3rd August is different on both reports.

I'd have assumed it would be the same (or certainly not wildly different as it is)?

I’m assuming mass testing causes some days to be higher than actually are and once the data is cleaned its adjusted

Boggles · 17-08-2020 02:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

An increase on such a small scale is not really significant.

So there was an increase?

We don't know if they will be significant or not.

ACitizenErased · 17-08-2020 02:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

So there was an increase?

We don't know if they will be significant or not.

An increase from 4000 per day to 4500 per day with our current positivity rate suggests possibly 4-5 more cases

Boggles · 17-08-2020 02:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

An increase from 4000 per day to 4500 per day with our current positivity rate suggests possibly 4-5 more cases

Again, that word.

You said no increase.

There has been, clearly.

We cleared it up now, stop digging.

Rob A. Bank · 17-08-2020 02:33PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

For the 15th time. Why do we have to go around in circles. The point is there were checks on every road at the border. People could cross.

This is a different situation. The blanket claim that we can't police our border in the face of a national threat is not true.
Incidentally I don't think the NI border is needed. People in the north want cooperation on the issue as does Scotland etc. We have similar measures and they could easily be aligned.

We have a common travel are and we are not in the Schengen area anyway so UK & Ireland approach makes most sense. Some form of mandatory testing etc.

But again this could / should have been done months ago. The economic damage is baked into the cake now for another wave (Europe-wide). Countries are at least trying. Finland, Italy implementing mandatory testing for arrivals. Saying it can't be done is lazy and unrealistic. We have a massive advantage in that everyone arrives by boat or plane. QR code - passport, test, quarantine. It is doable and my guess is it will be done maybe next year when the aviation industry's life support gets switched off. You can only throw so much good money after bad.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/want-to-know-what-a-hard-border-looks-like-the-2001-foot-and-mouth-crisis-holds-the-key-37824268.html

The government of the day pulled out all the stops when animal health was threatened by the Foot & Mouth virus in 2001.

Too bad that when human health is threatened now, we see no such urgency.

GooglePlus · 17-08-2020 02:38PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The government of the day pulled out all the stops when animal health was threatened by the Foot & Mouth virus in 2001.

Too bad that when human health is threatened now, we see no such urgency.

I know, right.

They should be culling anyone who is a potential Covid case, piling them up and burning them to be safe.

If that isn't an option, I guess we'll have to look at other alternatives.

ninebeanrows · 17-08-2020 02:38PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The government of the day pulled out all the stops when animal health was threatened by the Foot & Mouth virus in 2001.

Too bad that when human health is threatened now, we see no such urgency.

They culled and burned thousands of livestock.

You for serious?

Rob A. Bank · 17-08-2020 02:46PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I know, right.

They should be culling anyone who is a potential Covid case, piling them up and burning them to be safe.

If that isn't an option, I guess we'll have to look at other alternatives.

Nice strawman...

The point is that they closed the borders in 2001 to prevent importation of the virus and succeeded to a large measure in keeping us F&M free.

And a strict 14 day quarantine gets rid of the virus before it can spread, as you know very well.

Instead we have the usual 'too little, too late' responses now.

Jimi H · 17-08-2020 02:49PM

hmmm wrote: »

I hear what you're saying, but the virus ultimately doesn't care if we are tired of it.

I think personally the public are on board, but they haven't been told that this is going to last a long time (hopefully we get a vaccine during 2021). The message got lost during the reopening phases, as if that was it and now it's all back to normal, and so people just went back to doing what they always did.

People are going to get scared if the numbers go up in the coming weeks - we need a constant level of awareness, not cycles of relaxation and then worry.

I'm not a fan of masks, but they are a very visible reminder that life is not back to "normal" yet - we should consider mandating masks everywhere like Italy. Similarly if there are other actions we could take just to repeat the message that we are in a national emergency and people need to adopt their behaviour, that would be helpful also.

Yes perhaps you’re right. I just feel the strategy of trying to keep numbers low will result in a lot of back and forth between phases and I’m sceptical as to whether we can control the numbers in this way. I agree that the public is in the main complying but I think there is growing unease and I think public goodwill will disappear as numbers grow and more lockdowns are required.

I know the hope is to just get through this until a possible vaccination with the lowest possible number of illnesses and deaths but the only way I can see this happening is by employing an elimination strategy. Maybe I’m wrong and maybe this is not politically or practically possible.

stephenjmcd · 17-08-2020 02:50PM

Slane Garda Station closed to the public, expected to reopen tomorrow.

1 Garda tested postive and the other officer whom they've been paired with since March also tested postive.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/meath-garda-station-closed-to-public-after-two-members-of-force-test-positive-for-covid-19-39455425.html

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-08-2020 02:54PM

We have thousands of Roll on Roll off trucks bringing vital goods into the country every week.

Do we quarantine the drivers for 14 days or do we stop all exports and imports via truck?

NZ does not have this problem and their capital is still in lockdown.

Zero covid island is impossible.

ACitizenErased · 17-08-2020 02:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Slane Garda Station closed to the public, expected to reopen tomorrow.

1 Garda tested postive and the other officer whom they've been paired with since March also tested postive.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/meath-garda-station-closed-to-public-after-two-members-of-force-test-positive-for-covid-19-39455425.html

Fair play to the gardai for limiting colleague contact so well, one contact is mad

hmmm · 17-08-2020 02:57PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

They culled and burned thousands of livestock.

You for serious?

We'll also have to quarantine mink at the border.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53439263
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/coronavirus-rips-through-dutch-mink-farms-triggering-culls-prevent-human-infections

Doctors room ghost · 17-08-2020 03:02PM

hmmm wrote: »

We'll also have to quarantine mink at the border.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53439263
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/coronavirus-rips-through-dutch-mink-farms-triggering-culls-prevent-human-infections

There should be a government bounty paid per mink trapped and killed. The crustys of the day thought they were mighty releasing thousands of them from fur farms and they patting themselves on the back.
The damage a mink does to wildlife is colossal. The only way in denting their population would be a cash bounty

Snow Garden · 17-08-2020 03:05PM

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

There should be a government bounty paid per mink trapped and killed. The crustys of the day thought they were mighty releasing thousands of them from fur farms and they patting themselves on the back.
The damage a mink does to wildlife is colossal. The only way in denting their population would be a cash bounty

I thought local councils did offer money for dead mink. It wasn't much, something like 2.50 per mink. They are a nightmare.

growleaves · 17-08-2020 03:05PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

Very true. They are the Western country that has hewn closest to what the likes of so many posters here want for Ireland.
Considerably more people have died even with their leader and 1/2 of political system pushing to under test and under count for various reasons.
It also turns out that even in the US alot of the population are not solely economic gdp production/consumption units who will just keep calm + carry on as directed by their leaders/betters in the face of the virus. The economy takes a severe hit anyway.

They had 43 stay-at-home orders (lockdowns) for 50 states. In the most extreme state you're required to wear a mask even inside your own house.

Snow Garden · 17-08-2020 03:07PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I know, right.

They should be culling anyone who is a potential Covid case, piling them up and burning them to be safe.

If that isn't an option, I guess we'll have to look at other alternatives.

The idea has merits. Let's trial it in Kildare. The soil is perfect for large/deep pits. We will need more lime, JCBs and trucks. When one Covid case is confirmed, straight to the pits for everyone within a 1 mile radius.

eagle eye · 17-08-2020 03:12PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote:

We have thousands of Roll on Roll off trucks bringing vital goods into the country every week.
Do we quarantine the drivers for 14 days or do we stop all exports and imports via truck?

How about the cab gets thoroughly cleaned and an Irish driver takes it the rest of the way?

lucernarian · 17-08-2020 03:12PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

We have thousands of Roll on Roll off trucks bringing vital goods into the country every week.

Do we quarantine the drivers for 14 days or do we stop all exports and imports via truck?

NZ does not have this problem and their capital is still in lockdown.

Zero covid island is impossible.

Need to wait until the source is confirmed. Given they're now carrying out tests at a cold storage facility in Victoria, that had another premises in Auckland, there may yet be new and disturbing facts found about this virus. I hope for all our sakes some rogue person who skipped border checks is the source or we are in deep ****.

GooglePlus · 17-08-2020 03:13PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Nice strawman...

The point is that they closed the borders in 2001 to prevent importation of the virus and succeeded to a large measure in keeping us F&M free.

And a strict 14 day quarantine gets rid of the virus before it can spread, as you know very well.

Instead we have the usual 'too little, too late' responses now.

What borders did they close during foot and mouth? I remember disinfectant soaking at the NI border, but we didn't see flights cancelled or stopped from coming in.

The movement of people globally can't be compared to the movement of livestock from the UK.

Non solum non ambulabit · 17-08-2020 03:15PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Need to wait until the source is confirmed. Given they're now carrying out tests at a cold storage facility in Victoria, that had another premises in Auckland, there may yet be new and disturbing facts found about this virus. I hope for all our sakes some rogue person who skipped border checks is the source or we are in deep ****.

Yes, but it definitely wasn't due to truck drivers coming off a ferry.

17-08-2020 03:17PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

The government of the day pulled out all the stops when animal health was threatened by the Foot & Mouth virus in 2001.

Too bad that when human health is threatened now, we see no such urgency.

I remember you had to put your shoes through bleech at the border at this time.

The attitude from current government seems to be border control is pointless.

I completely disagree.

We have now squandered our good position in June due to this issue.

Not an easy issue to solve I conceed, but its time our politicians stood up on this issue to resolve.

If we were one island I think the government would have tried better.

The attitude seems to be it might be difficult, don't bother.

17-08-2020 03:18PM

growleaves wrote: »

They had 43 stay-at-home orders (lockdowns) for 50 states. In the most extreme state you're required to wear a mask even inside your own house.

well there was an article on that in the BMJ, so no doubt some here will be suggesting it some enough

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/wearing-face-masks-at-home-might-help-ward-off-covid-19-spread-among-family-members/

Which state by the way?

stephenjmcd · 17-08-2020 03:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fair play to the gardai for limiting colleague contact so well, one contact is mad

Yup been policy since day 1. No mixing between units, who your assigned with is who you'll be with for the full 12 hour shift each day so long as the 4 on 4 off roster remains which is extended out until later this year now.

They've done quite well that there hasn't been any notable outbreaks in the force. Likewise in the prison service

Richard Hillman · 17-08-2020 03:24PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

We have thousands of Roll on Roll off trucks bringing vital goods into the country every week.

Do we quarantine the drivers for 14 days or do we stop all exports and imports via truck?

NZ does not have this problem and their capital is still in lockdown.

Zero covid island is impossible.

Let them in and send them to a staging area where the goods can be transferred from one truck to another, then send the trucks coming in back to where they came from. The driver doesn't even need to leave the cab.

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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