Masks

ELM327 · 17-08-2020 10:43AM

Yes: homemade

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Just a question

Do you individual sanitise every item in your shopping when you arrive home ?

If not the risk is still present from all those items and everything you handle whilst putting shopping away.

This is the thing if people want to analyse every little thing. A mask a great routine like above can still have flaws.

Of course there's always a risk.
The virus doesnt live very long on paper and plastic.
You can get most of the risk eradicated by the process the poster outlined above

givyjoe · 17-08-2020 10:43AM

Yes: surgical

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

I wouldn’t even bother with that but for people to go around now claiming a mask will make everything safe is a false sense of security which has been caused by introducing mandatory wearing.

Literally no one is claiming that. They do minimise the risk of infected people spreading the virus.

odyssey06 · 17-08-2020 11:07AM

I sanitise anything going into the fridge. Waterproof surfaces and cold temperatures mean the virus could last better there than on a dry surface e.g. especially something like a milk carton with a layer of condensation.

Most other stuff, either left in bag overnight or put away and then hands washed.

I was also wearing a mask to shops before it was mandatory.
I know primarily it's about protecting others, but there are some indications that some masks e.g. surgical masks offer extra protection against viral load.

Seanergy · 17-08-2020 11:21AM

Yes: valved

RoYoBo wrote: »

Looks (!) good but would it satisfy the need to protect others from your potential Covid infected exhalation? I can't see where it mentions what happens to what you breathe out? I'd be keen to hear more.

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Very good, but not if you're the one who is asymptomatic as it does nothing to prevent you spreading.

Your both correct to point out zero filter for the exhale, mask was designed pre covid-19 and produced late last year.

Australian government have since granted the company mucho dollars to develop a covid-19 buster version that deals with the exhale.

I love the idea of a clear mask with filtered assisted air. Obviously the air flow exchange rate will become the major stumbling block once the producers seal off the breathing area.

Away With The Fairies · 17-08-2020 12:32PM

Yes: valved

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The requirement is to go into a shop. People are not putting them on to minimise any risk. They’re putting them on because it’s now stupidly mandatory.

I don't know about you but I've been wearing masks in case I might have it. Masks may also help in lessening the viral load if you wear one. I'm not wearing them to fulfill a requirement to go into a shop.

bush · 17-08-2020 12:38PM

No: other

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I don't know about you but I've been wearing masks in case I might have it. Masks may also help in lessening the viral load if you wear one. I'm not wearing them to fulfill a requirement to go into a shop.

If the government said next week that they are changing mask wearing to advisable instead of mandatory id say about 10% of people would wear them.

timetogo1 · 17-08-2020 12:42PM

No: I don't care enough

bush wrote: »

If the government said next week that they are changing mask wearing to advisable instead of mandatory id say about 10% of people would wear them.

That'd be less than the number from when it was advisable previously. What are you basing this assumption on?

Admittedly you couldn't back up previous posts you made (and they should have been easy to back up if they weren't rubbish)

robinph · 17-08-2020 12:44PM

No: I don't care enough

bush wrote: »

If the government said next week that they are changing mask wearing to advisable instead of mandatory id say about 10% of people would wear them.

What about the people who enjoy wearing masks? What percentage of people are they?

bush · 17-08-2020 12:48PM

No: other

robinph wrote: »

What about the people who enjoy wearing masks? What percentage of people are they?

About 2% :pac:

givyjoe · 17-08-2020 12:49PM

Yes: surgical

robinph wrote: »

What about the people who enjoy wearing masks? What percentage of people are they?

110% going by their recent posts.

Away With The Fairies · 17-08-2020 01:05PM

Yes: valved

Hard to believe that 3 months ago, they were recommending for us to wear masks. 3 months ago!!! And they are still taking their time to make masks mandatory in all indoor settings.

Away With The Fairies · 17-08-2020 01:07PM

Yes: valved

givyjoe wrote: »

110% going by their recent posts.

You're right it's a 110%. Because I realize that the virus leaves the mouth and nose. If only there was a way to contain the virus leaving a person's mouth. I also care not to get sick myself and I also care not to pass it on.

CalamariFritti · 17-08-2020 01:13PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Of course people don't enjoy wearing them. We wear them because we have to and can help in some small way, with a slight inconvenience to ourselves.

Only its not 'a small way' but a minuscule almost not quantifiable way and way more than 'a minor inconvenience'.

People fail to see the big picture.

It may be a minor inconvenience physically. Ye its not a great bother for a few minutes. But its way more than that with regards to the changes to society and how we feel about our lives. Especially when the craze doesn't stop at supermarkets or cramped indoor scenarios and the health and safety nuts are trying to mandate them elsewhere including outdoors and tell us they will become a part of our lives for years to come.

Its way easier to introduce something like that than getting rid of it.

But sure a little virtue signalling is way more important. We are doing all we can do. All in this together. Aren't we great.

bush · 17-08-2020 01:19PM

No: other

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Only its not 'a small way' but a minuscule almost not quantifiable way and way more than 'a minor inconvenience'.

People fail to see the big picture.

It may be a minor inconvenience physically. Ye its not a great bother for a few minutes. But its way more than that with regards to the changes to society and how we feel about our lives. Especially when the craze doesn't stop at supermarkets or cramped indoor scenarios and the health and safety nuts are trying to mandate them elsewhere including outdoors and tell us they will become a part of our lives for years to come.

Its way easier to introduce something like that than getting rid of it.

But sure a little virtue signalling is way more important. We are doing all we can do. All in this together. Aren't we great.

This is exactly it. I'm working 6 days a week and wearing a mask every minute of those days. They suck the soul out of interactions and they are looking to normalise them everywhere with no indication or under what circumstances we can stop wearing them. Its actually depressing putting them on every day.

Tork · 17-08-2020 01:23PM

Yes: to protect others

Do you know what's more depressing? The thoughts of having to do this for a long time into the future because the virus isn't being controlled and there is no vaccine. Thinking people want to wear masks is a craze is pure tin foil hat territory. Most of us wear them because we want to play our part in getting rid of the fcking thing.

GT89 · 17-08-2020 01:33PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Tork wrote: »

Do you know what's more depressing? The thoughts of having to do this for a long time into the future because the virus isn't being controlled and there is no vaccine. Thinking people want to wear masks is a craze is pure tin foil hat territory. Most of us wear them because we want to play our part in getting rid of the fcking thing.

If the news stopped reporting it, people would stop thinking about it and we could all get on with life as normal

CalamariFritti · 17-08-2020 01:35PM

Tork wrote: »

Do you know what's more depressing? The thoughts of having to do this for a long time into the future because the virus isn't being controlled and there is no vaccine. Thinking people want to wear masks is a craze is pure tin foil hat territory. Most of us wear them because we want to play our part in getting rid of the fcking thing.

It is a craze based on the so-called evidence hauled out to support this.

Scientist being able measure A virus 5 metres away in a room full of covid patients is not proof of 'airborne' in real world scenarios. Real world scenarios where empirical evidence proves that there was no problem to begin with.

So in theory its very noble of you trying to play your part but inadvertedly you're are actually doing more damage than you prevent. The mask is an actual tin foil hat. But you convince yourself it's me who is wearing one.

xhomelezz · 17-08-2020 01:37PM

Yes: valved

GT89 wrote: »

If the news stopped reporting it, people would stop thinking about it and we could all get on with life as normal

Are you not able to get on with your life?? I'm pretty able to get on with my life, while washing my hands, keeping SD and wearing a mask, it's f.. easy. Certainly better than to be locked up in the house..

robinph · 17-08-2020 01:39PM

No: I don't care enough

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Only its not 'a small way' but a minuscule almost not quantifiable way and way more than 'a minor inconvenience'.

People fail to see the big picture.

It may be a minor inconvenience physically. Ye its not a great bother for a few minutes. But its way more than that with regards to the changes to society and how we feel about our lives. Especially when the craze doesn't stop at supermarkets or cramped indoor scenarios and the health and safety nuts are trying to mandate them elsewhere including outdoors and tell us they will become a part of our lives for years to come.

Its way easier to introduce something like that than getting rid of it.

But sure a little virtue signalling is way more important. We are doing all we can do. All in this together. Aren't we great.

What is the bigger inconvenience?

A) Wearing a mask and going about your day.

Not wearing a mask and everyone stays at home.

GT89 · 17-08-2020 01:45PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

xhomelezz wrote: »

Are you not able to get on with your life?? I'm pretty able to get on with my life, while washing my hands, keeping SD and wearing a mask, it's f.. easy. Certainly better than to be locked up in the house..

Yes I can get on with mynlife to a certain but I still cannot do all the things I did pre covid. Can't go on a night out with lads, can't go to a concert or football match and can't go away on holidays. I don't like wearing a mask as it's uncomfortable and not seeing people's face is quite frankly weird and not normal.

It may be better than lockdown but still not ideal.

GT89 · 17-08-2020 01:49PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

robinph wrote: »

What is the bigger inconvenience?

A) Wearing a mask and going about your day.
Not wearing a mask and everyone stays at home.

What about neither. No lockdown and no masks in Sweden and yet people seem to be able to go about their business there as normal

Sconsey · 17-08-2020 01:56PM

No: other

GT89 wrote: »

What about neither. No lockdown and no masks in Sweden and yet people seem to be able to go about their business there as normal

What about all the other European countries? you want to go with the outlier because it suits you.

odyssey06 · 17-08-2020 02:00PM

GT89 wrote: »

What about neither. No lockdown and no masks in Sweden and yet people seem to be able to go about their business there as normal

Czech Republic, early mask adopters & lockdown... 3.71 deaths per 100,000.
Sweden... 56.5 deaths per 100,000.
I'll include Denmark, who locked down, with 10.7 deaths per 100,000 of a country usually grouped with Sweden for comparisons.
And Ireland 36 deaths per 100,000.

There's a whole thread on this forum for Sweden, so all I'll say here for context is that even in Sweden, while they did not lockdown, business did not continue 'as normal'. High schools and universities were shut. There are strict social distancing rules for bars etc.

Sconsey · 17-08-2020 02:00PM

No: other

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It is a craze based on the so-called evidence hauled out to support this.

Scientist being able measure A virus 5 metres away in a room full of covid patients is not proof of 'airborne' in real world scenarios. Real world scenarios where empirical evidence proves that there was no problem to begin with.

So in theory its very noble of you trying to play your part but inadvertedly you're are actually doing more damage than you prevent. The mask is an actual tin foil hat. But you convince yourself it's me who is wearing one.

Wading through your bullsh1t about 'virtue signaling' and this being a 'craze' which just reflect your personal attitude.

You don't like the evidence so you deny it, its not 'so-called' evidence it is ACTUAL evidence.

Who is doing more damage by wearing a mask? pure crap, making it up, reflected in your attatude.

GT89 · 17-08-2020 02:29PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

odyssey06 wrote: »

Czech Republic, early mask adopters & lockdown... 3.71 deaths per 100,000.
Sweden... 56.5 deaths per 100,000.
I'll include Denmark, who locked down, with 10.7 deaths per 100,000 of a country usually grouped with Sweden for comparisons.
And Ireland 36 deaths per 100,000.

There's a whole thread on this forum for Sweden, so all I'll say here for context is that even in Sweden, while they did not lockdown, business did not continue 'as normal'. High schools and universities were shut. There are strict social distancing rules for bars etc.

It's not about deaths. It's about being able to live as normal as possible. It's mostly over 80s and underlying health conditions who die so isolate those and let the rest of us continue as normal without lockdown or masks simple as.

If mask wearing is so effective why have CV19 cases gone up in Ireland since we all started wearing them? CV19 rates were lower 6 weeks ago when only few were wearing them.

Tork · 17-08-2020 02:39PM

Yes: to protect others

How about because people have got complacent and aren't following the advice they had? Leaving aside the clusters in the factories, we've got people having house parties, not keeping their distance outdoors etc. Most of us are hopefully not going to house parties or behaving as if the virus has gone but we have a greater risk of exposure to the virus in places such as supermarkets and public transport. The twentysomethings putting your groceries on the shelves in the supermarket, serving you or simply shopping in there are there can be the same ones who were hanging out with their mates and generally exposing themselves to the virus.

CalamariFritti · 17-08-2020 02:47PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Wading through your bullsh1t about 'virtue signaling' and this being a 'craze' which just reflect your personal attitude.

You don't like the evidence so you deny it, its not 'so-called' evidence it is ACTUAL evidence.

Who is doing more damage by wearing a mask? pure crap, making it up, reflected in your attatude.

How about you reply to me the same way I posted? With some logical argument? Not just some colourful language and going on about attitude.

odyssey06 · 17-08-2020 02:49PM

GT89 wrote: »

It's not about deaths. It's about being able to live as normal as possible. It's mostly over 80s and underlying health conditions who die so isolate those and let the rest of us continue as normal without lockdown or masks simple as.
If mask wearing is so effective why have CV19 cases gone up in Ireland since we all started wearing them? CV19 rates were lower 6 weeks ago when only few were wearing them.

It's not about deaths??? I completely reject that any argument which starts from that premise. It has no foundation or merit.

You can't live as normal if you are dead or isolating can you.
You want to live as normal while condemning others to cocooning?

While the vulnerable can take extra measures to protect themselves, they cannot isolate for months on end.
Nor can they be kept in a bubble - they need care, food, medicines, medical appointments, treatments etc from the outside world.

We can't have the virus circulating in the community widely because even among the 'not at risk' groups there would be too many hospitalisations.

As has been explained numerous times on the thread, mask wearing was brought in as other restrictions eased.
The experience of other countries and in our own health and care setting show how effective masks are.

GT89 · 17-08-2020 02:53PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Tork wrote: »

How about because people have got complacent and aren't following the advice they had? Leaving aside the clusters in the factories, we've got people having house parties, not keeping their distance outdoors etc. Most of us are hopefully not going to house parties or behaving as if the virus has gone but we have a greater risk of exposure to the virus in places such as supermarkets and public transport. The twentysomethings putting your groceries on the shelves in the supermarket, serving you or simply shopping in there are there can be the same ones who were hanging out with their mates and generally exposing themselves to the virus.

Blame younger people as usual for doing normal things. Don't dare blame the government the actual ones responsible for this mess as it's far more convienent to blame other people.

Sconsey · 17-08-2020 02:58PM

No: other

CalamariFritti wrote: »

How about you reply to me the same way I posted? With some logical argument? Not just some colourful language and going on about attitude.

I don't think logic works with you. You ignore evidence, deny the science and proclaim masks to be a craze worn by virtue-signalers.

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