Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

CalamariFritti · 17-08-2020 07:17AM

redarmy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/padraig_reilly/status/1295135077647683584

So a photographer on twitter is a source now? Only saying...

stephenjmcd · 17-08-2020 07:49AM

Kildare GP on Morning Ireland saying in her area no major increase in paitents presenting with symptoms, numbers are very low and she hasn't had a postive case in weeks.

Says it appears Kildare cases are in the known outbreaks (meat plants etc)

ExMachina1000 · 17-08-2020 07:56AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Rumours of a jive contest in Castleblaney over the weekend but no mention of that on Twitter. Up to 100 men and women courting eachother.

Sounds like a sexy time

thelad95 · 17-08-2020 08:04AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Kildare GP on Morning Ireland saying in her area no major increase in paitents presenting with symptoms, numbers are very low and she hasn't had a postive case in weeks.

Says it appears Kildare cases are in the known outbreaks (meat plants etc)

Fantastic to see that the restrictions which were imposed to stop a wild community outbreak from these enormous clusters seem to be working then.

Boggles · 17-08-2020 08:32AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Kildare GP on Morning Ireland saying in her area no major increase in paitents presenting with symptoms, numbers are very low and she hasn't had a postive case in weeks.

Says it appears Kildare cases are in the known outbreaks (meat plants etc)

So the community transmission is not Kildare like expected?

That's not great news TBF.

17-08-2020 08:36AM

Boggles wrote: »

So the community transmission is not Kildare like expected?

That's not great news TBF.

Is there ever anything that is great? Can we not just welcome the fact that the massive outbreaks associated with a number of locations in Kildare are not breaking out in to the wider community?

Boggles · 17-08-2020 09:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there ever anything that is great? Can we not just welcome the fact that the massive outbreaks associated with a number of locations in Kildare are not breaking out in to the wider community?

No, it would be far better if community transmission would be located in a county that is currently under different restrictions to the rest of the country for quite obvious reasons.

17-08-2020 09:22AM

Boggles wrote: »

No, it would be far better if community transmission would be located in a county that is currently under different restrictions to the rest of the country for quite obvious reasons.

We have had massive outbreaks in a few locations, and these cases are still coming out of these outbreaks, yet our numbers are flat for a week. Yes it is more concerning than a couple of weeks back, but the fact that massive amounts of symptomatic people are not showing up to their GP's or in the hospitals is positive, and very different to where we were in March

Boggles · 17-08-2020 09:28AM

Deleted User wrote: »

We have had massive outbreaks in a few locations, and these cases are still coming out of these outbreaks, yet our numbers are flat for a week. Yes it is more concerning than a couple of weeks back, but the fact that massive amounts of symptomatic people are not showing up to their GP's or in the hospitals is positive, and very different to where we were in March

You just jumped the fence and ran up the field. But bringing it back to the actual point I made.

The optimistic thought on the thread was that community transmission was happening in the counties that had the outbreaks, the thinking behind it being that you may not be able to directly link a case back to these outbreaks but if the bulk of them are happening only in areas of higher infection you can reasonable assume they came from them indirectly.

If the bulk of community transmission is happening nationwide, then that means the virus is reseeding undetected which is the big problem, not a manageable cluster in a meat factory or mushroom factory.

JazzyJ · 17-08-2020 09:32AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im like a broken record.

84 out of 87 folk healthy enough to work had 0 symptoms.

They were in complete disbelief at the positive results

How many were still asymptomatic after a further 7 days?

Micky 32 · 17-08-2020 09:34AM

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Well mick you've certainly put my mind at rest.

Phew!! For a min there i thought we had a global pandemic.

Sure, it'll be grand!! Mick said so..

What rubbish are you spouting now? Does the fact that i know some people that fully recovered not fit in that misery bubble of yours? Would you like me to research and find some people that haven’t recovered? Would that make you feel all happy snug and warm? It seems to be a problem for some certain posters the fact i posted about those people, strange....

I never once deined or dismissed there is a global pandemic going on.

BTW , the reason i qouted that list saying it wasn’t relevent to me except for the last one was because you won’t see many posts from me complaining about it. So hence it was irrelevent the poster qouting them to me.

Jackman25 · 17-08-2020 09:42AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't agree with this. Young people are part of civil society and have responsibilities like the rest of us. A lot of whom take this seriously.

Think of all the health care workers who fell ill and who may fall ill again this winter. Or Kids who won't be able to attend school safely. Height of selfishness, Saying human nature is a cop out. It's human nature to sh!t, it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it on the street. Fine the sh!t out of them and it'll act as a deterrent.

https://twitter.com/Eastcorkclinsoc/status/1294724407978610690?s=20

What is he so tired from?

17-08-2020 09:48AM

Arghus wrote: »

Sticking to the guidelines and people taking personal responsibility is the only way this is going to work.

I don't really know what you're advocating here to be honest. "Pragmatism and real solutions" reads to me like code for let's crack on and get back to normal life ASAP. Unfortunately getting back to unfettered normal life only has one outcome: more cases, more potential serious illness and death and eventually more restrictions. I'm all for finding a way out but I'm telling you that is definitely not going to be the way. Covid is still a deadly and infectious disease, right now it's infecting young people, but give it time and give it opportunity it will infect others that are not bulletproof. And a lot of people are not bulletproof.

People need to dispense with the fantasy that normal life is coming back anytime soon and that pretending things are grand is going to make things grand. Things are different now and they will stay different. That is crap for everybody, but it's the truth.

We need to accept that the virus is here to stay for the foreseeable, the best we can do is try to find a way to muddle through and keep a lid on it, hopefully until someone somewhere comes up with a plan B. It can't be wished away because we're tired of living with it.

And that plan B could be a vaccine, better knowledge about what we are dealing with here, better treatment or all of the above. But nothing is guaranteed and there's no set time limit on anything. People are fatigued and they want deadlines, set destination points. But this is another thing people need to forget about. The uncertainty and the unknown will continue until it doesn't. And that's understandably a hard thing for people to get their heads around, but unfortunately, that is what we are dealing with here. There isn't a single leader, commentator or scientist in the entire world right now that can legitimately say they know where we'll all be at in 6 months. We're hardwired to expect things - promises, guarantees - that are actually impossible in this context.

I think letting her rip and just fantasising that normal life will roar back without skipping a beat is pie in the sky stuff - a delusion - and, on the other extreme, I wouldn't like to live in a police state. So I really think what we're being asked to do at the moment in terms of following guidelines, social distancing, being sensible and not irresponsible, wearing masks, washing hands is actually the best of all our shyte options right now and the most sustainable and least disastrous in the short to medium term, even if that seems hard to believe. It's all shyte, it sucks. But it's better than the alternatives and if people stuck to it and actually followed it we'd all have a easier time of it overall.

See this is the thing, you think social distancing is sustainable in the medium term, I do not. Sure you can keep pubs/clubs closed, stop mass gatherings etc. that can last. But the guidelines such as stay 2m apart from your friends if you call to their house? Keep your contacts low etc. not going to happen

17-08-2020 09:49AM

Boggles wrote: »

You just jumped the fence and ran up the field. But bringing it back to the actual point I made.

The optimistic thought on the thread was that community transmission was happening in the counties that had the outbreaks, the thinking behind it being that you may not be able to directly link a case back to these outbreaks but if the bulk of them are happening only in areas of higher infection you can reasonable assume they came from them indirectly.

If the bulk of community transmission is happening nationwide, then that means the virus is reseeding undetected which is the big problem, not a manageable cluster in a meat factory or mushroom factory.

OP you replied to mentioned nothing about community transmission, just that it was positive that cases in Kildare seemed to be all associated with known outbreak. And given Kildare makes up a disproportionate number of current cases, this is positive, not conclusive, but positive nonetheless

What Username Guidelines · 17-08-2020 09:59AM

Not sure if posted but last night's report was late

Hospitalised up from 16 to 19
ICU remains at 8, with 5 ventilated

Connolly 3 (+1)
Tallaght 3 (+1)
UHL 3 (+1)
Cavan 2 (no change)
Kilkenny 2 (no change)
Mater 2 (no change)
Naas 2 (no change)
Beaumount 1 (no change)
Mullingar 1 (no change)

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-16-august-2020.pdf

wadacrack · 17-08-2020 10:09AM

21 now in hospital. Highest number for a number of weeks.

blowitupref · 17-08-2020 10:26AM

wadacrack wrote: »

21 now in hospital. Highest number for a number of weeks.

No patents are sent home at weekends, be interesting to see what the number is by the HSE report on Tuesday.

17-08-2020 10:33AM

wadacrack wrote: »

21 now in hospital. Highest number for a number of weeks.

Increase in 7 from Sunday to Sunday, with over 550 cases in the previous week (Takes 5- 7 days to cases to get to hospital - in general). A manageable level getting ill enough to require hospitalisation. And something we have to get used to.

Boggles · 17-08-2020 10:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

OP you replied to mentioned nothing about community transmission, just that it was positive that cases in Kildare seemed to be all associated with known outbreak. And given Kildare makes up a disproportionate number of current cases, this is positive, not conclusive, but positive nonetheless

Yes, that is the point.

Boggles · 17-08-2020 10:36AM

wadacrack wrote: »

21 now in hospital. Highest number for a number of weeks.

Highest number since the 4th of July.

Snow Garden · 17-08-2020 10:44AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Height of selfishness, Saying human nature is a cop out. It's human nature to sh!t, it doesn't mean you are allowed to do it on the street. Fine the sh!t out of them and it'll act as a deterrent.

Classic line

ACitizenErased · 17-08-2020 10:44AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Kildare GP on Morning Ireland saying in her area no major increase in paitents presenting with symptoms, numbers are very low and she hasn't had a postive case in weeks.

Says it appears Kildare cases are in the known outbreaks (meat plants etc)

The latest GP buddy stats show very little uptick anywhere in the country tbh

RandomName2 · 17-08-2020 10:46AM

One lesson I hope that comes with the fiasco of COVID-19 is that time is of the essence when responding to an outbreak. Europe essentially sat on its hands in January and February, until significant clusters had formed. When they did respond, they did so slowly, only ratcheting up the level of the response in tandem with the escalation of the numbers infected.

People took the wrong lesson from SARS. They believed that because it was halted meant you didn't have to react much, whereas the opposite was true. For weeks, no months, you had people here saying not to be hysterical.

Initially the WHO said that people should not wear face masks, only relenting after several months.

The Asiatic countries pretty much universally responded appropriately to the initial outbreak. Despite having less time to react, and being closer to the epicenter of the disease, they managed to stave it off until recently.

The criminally negligent behavior of both Europe and America gave the virus opportunity to infect the rest of the world.

The only hope now is for a vaccine, but not only a vaccine, but one that would provide herd immunity. Without this the virus will be with us forever.

Again, if Europe and America stay true to form, and feel that an uptake of just 10-20% for the vaccine is okay, then that's what we'll get. At least if the most vulnerable can be protected that will be a major plus.

At the moment all we are doing is playing for time for a widespread vaccine to be available. The capacity to eradicate the virus, as was done with SARS 1 and MERS, disappeared back in February. The only silver lining is that SARS and MERS were way, way more deadly than COVID-19

MD1990 · 17-08-2020 10:56AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

One lesson I hope that comes with the fiasco of COVID-19 is that time is of the essence when responding to an outbreak. Europe essentially sat on its hands in January and February, until significant clusters had formed. When they did respond, they did so slowly, only ratcheting up the level of the response in tandem with the escalation of the numbers infected.

People took the wrong lesson from SARS. They believed that because it was halted meant you didn't have to react much, whereas the opposite was true. For weeks, no months, you had people here saying not to be hysterical.

Initially the WHO said that people should not wear face masks, only relenting after several months.

The Asiatic countries pretty much universally responded appropriately to the initial outbreak. Despite having less time to react, and being closer to the epicenter of the disease, they managed to stave it off until recently.

The criminally negligent behavior of both Europe and America gave the virus opportunity to infect the rest of the world.

The only hope now is for a vaccine, but not only a vaccine, but one that would provide herd immunity. Without this the virus will be with us forever.

Again, if Europe and America stay true to form, and feel that an uptake of just 10-20% for the vaccine is okay, then that's what we'll get. At least if the most vulnerable can be protected that will be a major plus.

At the moment all we are doing is playing for time for a widespread vaccine to be available. The capacity to eradicate the virus, as was done with SARS 1 and MERS, disappeared back in February. The only silver lining is that SARS and MERS were way, way more deadly than COVID-19

Did not know you were an epidemiologist.

So many people have qualified in this field in the last 6 months

Snow Garden · 17-08-2020 10:57AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

The only hope now is for a vaccine, but not only a vaccine, but one that would provide herd immunity. Without this the virus will be with us forever.

I don't think people believe a foolproof vaccine is possible. Yeah we have vaccines for the flu but a few new strains appear every year. The flu vaccine is about 70% effective at best? We don't have a vaccine for the 'common cold'. I don't believe a herd immunity vaccine will be possible for this respiratory virus.

Van.Bosch · 17-08-2020 10:59AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I don't think people believe a foolproof vaccine is possible. Yeah we have vaccines for the flu but a few new strains appear every year. The flu vaccine is about 70% effective at best? We don't have a vaccine for the 'common cold'. I don't believe a herd immunity vaccine will be possible for this respiratory virus.

May be a stupid question but could we see the Covid/flu vaccine combined into one vaccine going forward?

schmoo2k · 17-08-2020 11:00AM

RandomName2 wrote: »

One lesson I hope that comes with the fiasco of COVID-19 is that time is of the essence when responding to an outbreak. Europe essentially sat on its hands in January and February, until significant clusters had formed. When they did respond, they did so slowly, only ratcheting up the level of the response in tandem with the escalation of the numbers infected.

People took the wrong lesson from SARS. They believed that because it was halted meant you didn't have to react much, whereas the opposite was true. For weeks, no months, you had people here saying not to be hysterical.

Initially the WHO said that people should not wear face masks, only relenting after several months.

The Asiatic countries pretty much universally responded appropriately to the initial outbreak. Despite having less time to react, and being closer to the epicenter of the disease, they managed to stave it off until recently.

The criminally negligent behavior of both Europe and America gave the virus opportunity to infect the rest of the world.

The only hope now is for a vaccine, but not only a vaccine, but one that would provide herd immunity. Without this the virus will be with us forever.

Again, if Europe and America stay true to form, and feel that an uptake of just 10-20% for the vaccine is okay, then that's what we'll get. At least if the most vulnerable can be protected that will be a major plus.

At the moment all we are doing is playing for time for a widespread vaccine to be available. The capacity to eradicate the virus, as was done with SARS 1 and MERS, disappeared back in February. The only silver lining is that SARS and MERS were way, way more deadly than COVID-19

Considering things in Italy didn't really kick off until 21 Feb (with 20 cases) that is a bit harsh...

Christy42 · 17-08-2020 11:01AM

Snow Garden wrote: »

I don't think people believe a foolproof vaccine is possible. Yeah we have vaccines for the flu but a few new strains appear every year. The flu vaccine is about 70% effective at best? We don't have a vaccine for the 'common cold'. I don't believe a herd immunity vaccine will be possible for this respiratory virus.

How similar is it to the flu or cold though? The respiratory nature of it has little to do with there not being catch all vaccines. I wonder how many different strains of the disease they have found which would be a more relevant method of seeing how effective a vaccine would be.

RandomName2 · 17-08-2020 11:01AM

MD1990 wrote: »

Did not know you were an epidemiologist.

So many people have qualified in this field in the last 6 months

You see, this is what I mean.

Common sense man.

Back, back in the before times:

There's only 4 cases in Ireland

It grows exponentially.

Didn't know you were an epidemiologist :rolleyes:

Come on. You understand that if the virus can spread through the majority of the population that it's going to be a permanent feature, and just be incorporated into the fabric of season flu in the way that the 1918 flu was, right? Granted that it will evolve over the seasons (hopefully into a less dangerous form), but I cannot pretend that you do not understand the implications of not having herd immunity.

caveat emptor · 17-08-2020 11:04AM

Italy is doing well relatively. Everyone wondering why that could be. They've taken a fairly hard line with returning holidaymakers. (saying we have tough restrictions is bullish!t)

If you are returning there from Spain, Malta, Greece, Croatia you get a bracelet at the border (think hospital bracelet) with a QR code and you are added to a database.
You must isolate at home and go to a test centre as soon as possible.
If you are found leaving the house out and about you get a fine.
If you don't go for a test within a specified timeframe, you get a fine.
Furthermore anyone in the house which you live in must also stay home until your test comes back negative.
Fine is 1500 and is linked to department of social protection so you are guaranteed to get if you don't comply.

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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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