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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #1862
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    pwurple wrote: »
    It's not particularly shocking that parents want their children educated surely. The harm long term lack of education does to a generation is what worries me, especially with the inequality it brings. Huge difference between an only child home with a laptop, broadband and a motivated parent, and a child on the kitchen floor with no broadband, 5 elder siblings and parent (s) out working on the front line. All those efforts to make our society more equal opportunity might as well be flushed down the toilet unless they get back into the schools.

    In all seriousness lots of what is learnt in school is skills. Let's say this all led to 6 months of less school work. Students will catch up. Many have missed months for their own medical issues and managed to. I think this argument is fine, education is important. But one year lets say in the grand scheme of things is not make or break . Sure transition year is optional, make it compulsory and do some revision of skills that year to catch everyone up longterm wise if it really is a concern for everyone the transition year could become the catch up year. What I find weird with covid is people thinking things have to remain the same as they were because they think it should. Nothing about this year is how anyone wanted bht pretending everything is normal will not end well.


  • #1863
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Anything other than 1m and you can't open school, there isn't an alternative.


    latest research is 5m should be required as tests have shown covid can travel 4.8m in the air ..

    schools will be lucky if they even get 1m


  • #1864
    Murple
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 337 ✭✭Murple


    Sunday Sunday wrote: »
    People need to get a bit of perspective on this, most of those infected do fine. So fine in fact that some have had it and never even known it. Mild illness for 99% of cases, seriously.

    It's hardly ebola or rabies or CJD now is it.

    Give it a while and it will be as run of the mill as any other routine viral infection.

    Of course we hear about the bad stories and schools with cases. We don't hear about the millions recovered or the schools that are doing just fine.

    Donald, just to correct that figure of 99%.

    80% of Covid-19 infections are mild or moderate. 15% have severe infection, requiring oxygen and 5% are critical, requiring ventilation.
    Many people who had mild to moderate infections and didn’t require hospital treatment are continuing to report symptoms that are quite debilitating months later.
    Yes most of those infected may do fine. However, 20% requiring hospital care is a lot. If we let it just spread, we will be looking at chaos in our hospitals. We only coped with the earlier spike because hospitals were cleared, other treatments were stopped and the country as a whole was largely at home so fewer injuries, accidents, drink related events etc.


  • #1865
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    combat14 wrote: »
    latest research is 5m should be required as tests have shown covid can travel 4.8m in the air ..

    schools will be lucky if they even get 1m
    I don't know what research you're on about tbh, I've seen nothing of the such.
    1m with masks is essentially 2m.


  • #1866
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    If schools don't go back it will be devastating for kids and society in general. This virus could well go on for another 12months and some risk of restoring normality is justified. If kids don't get some sort of normality it will leave a permanent scar on their childhood memory.
    I understand the fear that parents have but what's the alternative? A further year without school? Sure that would be devastating..


    Is this not leaving long term permanent scar on all our memories? If teachers or grandparents or relatives die for reasons within our control then that is the real devastating thing.


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  • #1867
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I don't know what research you're on about tbh, I've seen nothing of the such.
    1m with masks is essentially 2m.

    1m is not 2m with a mask. The government have always asked that masks don't stop the distancing. Oh except for in schools


  • #1868
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    In all seriousness lots of what is learnt in school is skills. Let's say this all led to 6 months of less school work. Students will catch up. Many have missed months for their own medical issues and managed to. I think this argument is fine, education is important. But one year lets say in the grand scheme of things is not make or break . Sure transition year is optional, make it compulsory and do some revision of skills that year to catch everyone up longterm wise if it really is a concern for everyone the transition year could become the catch up year. What I find weird with covid is people thinking things have to remain the same as they were because they think it should. Nothing about this year is how anyone wanted bht pretending everything is normal will not end well.
    You're quite out of touch with education if you believe 6 months of less school work can be caught up. The leaving cert is ridiculous as it is, and could do with an extension.





  • #1869
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    1m is not 2m with a mask. The government have always asked that masks don't stop the distancing. Oh except for in schools
    Masks should be worn in areas where 2m social distancing cannot be maintained.


  • #1870
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You're quite out of touch with education if you believe 6 months of less school work can be caught up. The leaving cert is ridiculous as it is, and could do with an extension.




    I believe ar 15 or 16 the child should be able tl learn online with zoom and other resources to be honest. At 17 in college it will be expected of you.


  • #1871
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    I believe ar 15 or 16 the child should be able tl learn online with zoom and other resources to be honest. At 17 in college it will be expected of you.
    I'm a college student. Did pretty well in my leaving cert. Online classes are ****ing ****e.


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  • #1872
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Masks should be worn in areas where 2m social distancing cannot be maintained.

    Yep because they can't be bothered making a plan that is distanced. Your 2m is 1m with mask is just not a fact. I've read a lot about covid and it just isn't. Masks are used when distancing is not physically possible. It was always possible in schools but it was going to be expensive. Hairdresser for example its not possible so both wear masks and times are kept low and numbers are kept low.


  • #1873
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    Is this not leaving long term permanent scar on all our memories? If teachers or grandparents or relatives die for reasons within our control then that is the real devastating thing.
    It ain't that simple. If the country and indeed the world continue to lock down economies will go bancrupt. Also other illness (which of course is already the case) will go undiagnosed or late diagnosis. This will lead to as many deaths if not more. How many with mental frailties are vulnerable right now? Nobody knows the true figure. So to hide under the bed for 12months simply won't work imo
    Saying that there is certainly more that can be done such as closing restaurants and policing house parties etc


  • #1874
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    Yep because they can't be bothered making a plan that is distanced. Your 2m is 1m with mask is just not a fact. I've read a lot about covid and it just isn't. Masks are used when distancing is not physically possible. It was always possible in schools but it was going to be expensive. Hairdresser for example its not possible so both wear masks and times are kept low and numbers are kept low.
    :confused:
    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/face-masks-disposable-gloves.html
    You should also wear a face covering:
    • when staying 2 metres apart from people is difficult


  • #1875
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm a college student. Did pretty well in my leaving cert. Online classes are ****ing ****e.

    It may not be your style but they are possible. Plenty of people do online courses.


  • #1876
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    It ain't that simple. If the country and indeed the world continue to lock down economies will go bancrupt. Also other illness (which of course is already the case) will go undiagnosed or late diagnosis. This will lead to as many deaths if not more. How many with mental frailties are vulnerable right now? Nobody knows the true figure. So to hide under the bed for 12months simply won't work imo


    In your opinion. Are you a teacher or sna going into this setup???


  • #1877
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Purplewaters wrote: »
    It may not be your style but they are possible. Plenty of people do online courses.
    People do online courses when they're working full time jobs or need a qualification that's not covered in the country/college - when they don't really have a choice. You can't really compare an online course to the leaving cert. The leaving cert isn't meant to be an online course.


  • #1878
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    If schools don't go back it will be devastating for kids and society in general. This virus could well go on for another 12months and some risk of restoring normality is justified. If kids don't get some sort of normality it will leave a permanent scar on their childhood memory.
    I understand the fear that parents have but what's the alternative? A further year without school? Sure that would be devastating..

    For the millionth time on this thread. Nobody is saying to leave the schools closed.

    People are saying maybe don't just lump everyone in at the same time.

    Explore options like 4-day week for students, rotating classes to reduce numbers

    Week-on, week-off- alternating groups maybe, with online when a group not on premises but teachers in all the time

    Many options that could have been explored but haven't been


  • #1879
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    For the millionth time on this thread. Nobody is saying to leave the schools closed.

    People are saying maybe don't just lump everyone in at the same time.

    Explore options like 4-day week for students, rotating classes to reduce numbers

    Week-on, week-off- alternating groups maybe, with online when a group not on premises but teachers in all the time

    Many options that could have been explored but haven't been

    The current plan should be fiercely opposed (by parents and teachers) because it is frankly **** and disobeys what we know about the virus...give them one month to go back to the drawing board and get it right. Should be a motivator.

    However I fear there will be a contorted peer pressure effect where people will go along to get along.


  • #1880
    JanuarySnowstor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    For the millionth time on this thread. Nobody is saying to leave the schools closed.

    People are saying maybe don't just lump everyone in at the same time.

    Explore options like 4-day week for students, rotating classes to reduce numbers

    Week-on, week-off- alternating groups maybe, with online when a group not on premises but teachers in all the time

    Many options that could have been explored but haven't been
    Yes I would agree with those points alright!!


  • #1881
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    For the millionth time on this thread. Nobody is saying to leave the schools closed.

    People are saying maybe don't just lump everyone in at the same time.

    Explore options like 4-day week for students, rotating classes to reduce numbers

    Week-on, week-off- alternating groups maybe, with online when a group not on premises but teachers in all the time

    Many options that could have been explored but haven't been

    The amount of people who just don’t get this!


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  • #1882
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I don't know what research you're on about tbh, I've seen nothing of the such.
    1m with masks is essentially 2m.

    Irrelevant in most schools.

    Students will NOT stay even 1m apart and masks will NOT be used properly, if at all.

    Students are not compliant adults.


  • #1883
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Blondini wrote: »
    Irrelevant in most schools.

    Students will NOT stay even 1m apart and masks will NOT be used properly, if at all.

    Students are not compliant adults.
    That's quite the blanket statement.


  • #1884
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    That's quite the blanket statement.

    22 years teaching experience.

    Blanket enough?


  • #1885
    Purplewaters
    Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭Purplewaters


    I still can't get my head around staff and students being essentially forced into something scientifically unsafe. At least a house party is someone's own choice. This is really cruel to staff and students.


  • #1886
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Blondini wrote: »
    22 years teaching experience.

    Blanket enough?
    I'm surprised a teacher is generalising students tbh, everyone's unique and all that. Oh wait, it doesn't.


  • #1887
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    JanuarySnowstor wrote: »
    It ain't that simple. If the country and indeed the world continue to lock down economies will go bancrupt. Also other illness (which of course is already the case) will go undiagnosed or late diagnosis. This will lead to as many deaths if not more. How many with mental frailties are vulnerable right now? Nobody knows the true figure. So to hide under the bed for 12months simply won't work imo
    Saying that there is certainly more that can be done such as closing restaurants and policing house parties etc

    It's when the hospitals are overloaded with COVID cases that other illnesses will fall through the cracks as well. Both our health and education sectors have been underfunded and not at their best for some time. This virus has laid it bare like never before. There's a findable medium between hiding under the bed and avoiding all negative mental/physical health outcomes.


  • #1888
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,797 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm surprised a teacher is generalising students tbh, everyone's unique and all that. Oh wait, it doesn't.

    You the latest fringe/ alrightythen?

    It gets old, very fast


  • #1889
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    I'm surprised a teacher is generalising students tbh, everyone's unique and all that. Oh wait, it doesn't.

    Look lad, I like your stats work on the main thread but come back to me when you've observed many many thousands of students in their natural environment okay.

    Good luck.


  • #1890
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Benimar wrote: »
    The amount of people who just don’t get this!

    TBH it’s one of the most frustrating aspects of this thread. Any concern expressed about the all back together school plan is equated to teachers want the schools closed. Schools need to be open but in a safe way that ensures they stay open. Smaller class numbers on a rotation basis with work set for those at home c
    was an option . Half days , split weeks , week on week off - of course it would be tricky to organise and put a burden on parents( I include teachers who are parents in this ) re work / childcare but these options would allow schools to follow the guidelines as expected in the community. Instead we have a no SD up to 2nd class , mura SD with 30 children from 3rd to 6th class . Bubbles that stop being bubbles for those on school transport and a god knows what at secondary level. All the while CT is on the rise.


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  • #1891
    i_surge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    lulublue22 wrote: »
    TBH it’s one of the most frustrating aspects of this thread. Any concern expressed about the all back together school plan is equated to teachers want the schools closed. Schools need to be open but in a safe way that ensures they stay open. Smaller class numbers on a rotation basis with work set for those at home c
    was an option . Half days , split weeks , week on week off - of course it would be tricky to organise and put a burden on parents( I include teachers who are parents in this ) re work / childcare but these options would allow schools to follow the guidelines as expected in the community. Instead we have a no SD up to 2nd class , mura SD with 30 children from 3rd to 6th class . Bubbles that stop being bubbles for those on school transport and a god knows what at secondary level. All the while CT is on the rise.

    So don't accept it. You know it is wrong. Force them to come up with something workable.


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