Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

fritzelly · 16-08-2020 09:43PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'll save anyone else the effort of reading that, don't. Written by a "stock market investor and commentator".

Funnily enough it says that the UK modelers estimated the IFR was 0.66%, which has turned out to be quite accurate.

We have people complaining about boardsies becoming epidemiologists and virologists but these stock market guys take the biscuit

Marty Bird · 16-08-2020 09:44PM

shinzon wrote: »

jesus more bad news

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0816/1159506-coronavirus-experts-this-week/?fbclid=IwAR0UggE7QnmUggF71Xgrg24vJH6N7KMCc-UODVoOWR1yi85MltiDuld0RQI

Shin

Sure any disease or virus that has been discovered throughout human history is still with us today in some shape or form.

Marty.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 09:45PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Thanks. Seemed crazy to me given the highlighted sources but now you’ve pointed it out it’s interesting that it worked.

I don't think his point is RE the IFR, rather they thought that the entirety of the UK was susceptible, by using the 6 flights to judge how many people had the disease. (vastly underestimating how many were infected)

remember that it all comes back to the belief that finding six people with Covid on six flights was a good way to estimate how many people had the disease.

hmmm · 16-08-2020 09:45PM

Patd6 wrote: »

Are people expecting a big announcement tomorrow from Michael Martin? Comments today by nphet and Mr Glynn hinting at things changing

It was quite ominous, I'm not sure what the point was other than to get people worried.

The messaging is arseways since the government changeover. If you are trying to scare the public into compliance (and that is a viable strategy at times to raise awareness), you have to be clear what exactly it is you are asking them to do.

jackboy · 16-08-2020 09:46PM

gifted wrote: »

They'll have to flex some muscle...lots of people just shrugging their shoulders at them now and don't care anymore

Ban all sales of alcohol in the country. That’ll do the trick.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 09:46PM

hmmm wrote: »

It was quite ominous, I'm not sure what the point was other than to get people worried.

The messaging is arseways since the government changeover. If you are trying to scare the public into compliance (and that is a viable strategy at times to raise awareness), you have to be clear what exactly it is you are asking them to do.

I think the points today were PR stuff after dame lane tbh

caveat emptor · 16-08-2020 09:49PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

Sure any disease or virus that has been discovered throughout human history is still with us today in some shape or form.

Marty.

By some form you mean in a freezer somewhere? smallpox?

https://twitter.com/BodyForWife/status/1294991599319920642?s=20

DevilsHaircut · 16-08-2020 09:51PM

General rules of thumb.

If it's only on

YouTube
Twitter
Fox News

it's not science.

If it's by a:

stock market investor
bitcoin promoter
economist
diet guru
preacher
influencer
Donald Trump

it's not science.

MerlinSouthDub · 16-08-2020 09:52PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Closing the restaurants/food pubs is the strongest card they have to play but actual facts and evidence would say it's the wrong target and the meat factories should be shut down.

If they closed the restaurants/food pubs, then there would just be loads of house parties. And house parties are the root of all evil....

stephenjmcd · 16-08-2020 09:52PM

Italy to close nightclubs (not sure why they even opened)

Masks will be required between 6pm and 6am in areas close to bars and pubs and where gatherings are more likely.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 09:52PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

General rules of thumb.

If it's only on
Facebook

YouTube

Twitter

Fox News

it's not science.

If it's by a:
stock market investor

bitcoin promoter

economist

diet guru

preacher

influencer

Donald Trump

it's not science.

You can add Daily Mail to that list, some posters here love that kip.

harr · 16-08-2020 09:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think the points today were PR stuff after dame lane tbh

Yeah but the likes of those in dame lane don’t care or will never listen. Asking pubs , restaurants , meat factories or what ever establishment nicely to comply with regulations
Is not working. Examples need to be made of those flaunting the rules . No point in scolding the whole country because of a few muppets in one pub or using dame lane to punish the pubs who are complying with the rules.

DevilsHaircut · 16-08-2020 09:54PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Thinly veiled I am a pensioner and don't care what happens future generations as long as I don't have to pay

https://twitter.com/davidmcw/status/1290950730430525440

Marty Bird · 16-08-2020 09:54PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

By some form you mean in a freezer somewhere? smallpox?

https://twitter.com/BodyForWife/status/1294991599319920642?s=20

Yeah I read that before that the virus still exists I know there have been no known cases since the 80s or earlier.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 09:58PM

harr wrote: »

Yeah but the likes of those in dame lane don’t care or will never listen. Asking pubs , restaurants , meat factories or what ever establishment nicely to comply with regulations
Is not working. Examples need to be made of those flaunting the rules . No point in scolding the whole country because of a few muppets in one pub or using dame lane to punish the pubs who are complying with the rules.

Oh I know, I completely agree. The communication strategy is scandalous.

wadacrack · 16-08-2020 09:59PM

T cell immunity may help but not that much. This is a study without any obvious bias that seems to be common when T Cells are mentioned.

https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1294985940524507136

owlbethere · 16-08-2020 09:59PM

harr wrote: »

Yeah but the likes of those in dame lane don’t care or will never listen. Asking pubs , restaurants , meat factories or what ever establishment nicely to comply with regulations
Is not working. Examples need to be made of those flaunting the rules . No point in scolding the whole country because of a few muppets in one pub or using dame lane to punish the pubs who are complying with the rules.

What we need are massive fines slapped down upon those who break the public health guidelines.

DevilsHaircut · 16-08-2020 10:00PM

hmmm wrote: »

It was quite ominous, I'm not sure what the point was other than to get people worried.

The messaging is arseways since the government changeover. If you are trying to scare the public into compliance (and that is a viable strategy at times to raise awareness), you have to be clear what exactly it is you are asking them to do.

In fairness, there has to be agreement, between NPHET tomorrow and Cabinet on Tuesday.

I don't think that either of them could have issued unilateral edicts today.

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 10:01PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What we need are massive fines slapped down upon those who break the public health guidelines.

This is Ireland though

Bubbaclaus · 16-08-2020 10:03PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

https://twitter.com/davidmcw/status/1290950730430525440

Just because it can be financed at a 0% rate doesnt mean it does not have to be repaid at some point, or else refinanced in the future at a positive interest rate. The amount of people that got misled by that headline is atrocious.

pjohnson · 16-08-2020 10:05PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

If they closed the restaurants/food pubs, then there would just be loads of house parties. And house parties are the root of all evil....

Dunno if a house party would be as thick as the carry on in Berlin. Invariably house parties WILL run out of drink.

DevilsHaircut · 16-08-2020 10:06PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Just because it can be financed at a 0% rate doesnt mean it does not have to be repaid at some point, or else refinanced in the future at a positive interest rate. The amount of people that got misled by that headline is atrocious.

National debts are never repaid.

That's the point.

They are rolled over.

road_high · 16-08-2020 10:09PM

owlbethere wrote: »

What we need are massive fines slapped down upon those who break the public health guidelines.

Yea because that will really work...I think some people are losing their heads here, lost all connection with reality or something- human behaviour being what it is will always find a way. All you’re doing is driving “it” all underground.
So fine away, this virus will still be there the other end. Unless you’re attempting to get into the realms of complete mind control

road_high · 16-08-2020 10:11PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

National debts are never repaid.

That's the point.

They are rolled over.

No but they must be serviced out of national exchequer. Meaning less money for all the things like welfare, healthcare, education that the public enjoy to the current high standards

GooglePlus · 16-08-2020 10:12PM

As thick as this may sound, don't judge. What would happen if the slate was wiped clean on all global debt? Like a collective global write off.

Will the reliance on the pay back effect economies or what would happen?

Van.Bosch · 16-08-2020 10:14PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

As thick as this may sound, don't judge. What would happen if the slate was wiped clean on all global debt? Like a collective global write off.

Will the reliance on the pay back effect economies or what would happen?

Well the money is mainly owed to pension funds etc, so everyone’s retirement savings would be wiped out.

Strumms · 16-08-2020 10:15PM

froog wrote: »

this thing is not in control and it's going to get worse. what exactly are we doing? crossing our fingers and hoping for the best? our current level of controls is clearly not sufficient.

Controls and behavior/self discipline too.

Laws can control the behaviors of the likes of workplaces, pubs, etc.... but ultimately when I get up in the morning until I go to bed, it’s on me....my own behavior, my own discipline... yes it’s boring to a point... but here tonight, is the result... of people being undisciplined, uncaring and crap humans quite frankly...

I didn’t agree with reopening pubs, I gave the reasons why at the time, and what we are seeing on YouTube now is indicative of why so many of us had concerns... yes, I know, ordering the ‘burrito antidote’ too will sort everything....

I’d have been interested to see how things might have panned out if Martin had been in charge from day one, instead of that big fûcking absolutely useless virtue signaling corporate toss bag Varadkar...

Martin hasn’t been great but what we are suffering for now is the complete inaction and slow out of the traps response from Leo & co.... can be no denying that... yet here we are...

Bubbaclaus · 16-08-2020 10:17PM

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

National debts are never repaid.

That's the point.

They are rolled over.

Unless interest rates stay at near 0 forever, at some point that rolling over is going to be at an interest rate that will have a severe effect on the exchequer.

bb1234567 · 16-08-2020 10:19PM

Large outbreak in Lebanon last few days, wonder if it's related to the explosion .

CalamariFritti · 16-08-2020 10:21PM

So we're in meltdown mode cos some kids had a few drinks and danced and someone filmed it? Or was there 500 cases today that I missed? No seriously what's going?