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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3272
    Tork
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    Fair enough. I don't give a monkeys what you think


  • #3273
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Alot of cases have come from a ethnic group, that obey no laws

    Was just missing this bit :pac:


  • #3274
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,820 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    NK76 wrote: »
    It's time people realised that we need to bring all this talk of covid to an end. it is clearly obvious that covid is over...in fact it didn't really exist...our lives need to return to normal, we need to be able to go to the shops, football matches, nights out at the weekends...the psychological damage of this fake flu is far worse than reality...its fear mongering of the highest order.....

    ...let's get back to normal...take back control...reclaim the momentum ...and look at it again in two months when the kids are back in school and football season has started.....then we will know where we are

    Come on let's stand in the face of this adversity and reclaim our lives

    Business suffering, miss seeing your frwends ? Awhhhhh deny all you want, stats on death and illness back the need for the restrictions we’ve had and THAT is the reality I’m afraid. :eek:


  • #3275
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,870 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its not just the Irish, we are seeing the same behaviours most of the world, we do love a good moan though in this country and to put people back in their place.

    Exactly. You’d swear it was an uniquely Irish issue. If anything we’ve been doing way better than other countries.
    People need to start accepting this virus is there and will be where ever you have human life.


  • #3276
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    If they get Covid-19 as a result of that party in Berlin D2, and subsequently pass it on to vulnerable people, then "reckless" isn't a strong enough word.
    That's not what the ESRI report was talking about - these particular people are reckless, the vast majority of people who catch it are not.


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  • #3277
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Technically you can get chicken pox more than once as well - but it's really unusual - I suspect the same will be true of Covid.

    Thats the point. Suspect. Nobody knows yet.
    Chinese scientists pointed out covid19 was airborne in feb. Did we listen? No. Scoffed at it. Called it panic mongering.
    Did the opposite and said masks not needed.
    We had to learn the hard way.

    Any reinfection warnings coming from chinese scientists i would sit up and take notice..


  • #3278
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That's not what the ESRI report was talking about - these particular people are reckless, the vast majority of people who catch it are not.

    Agreed.


  • #3279
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Schools are not gonna re-open and they've been off 6 months

    Really?

    Who declared that?


  • #3280
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Steve F wrote: »
    My two cents on the Zero Covid debate.
    People saying it's isn't possible....using NZ as an example.The reason they couldn't maintain the zero status was because the rest of the world didn't toe the line also.
    The WHO said early on that we could defeat this virus if THE WHOLE WORLD PULLED TOGETHER AS ONE.

    The opportunity to achieve that has now long gone.
    Most of the world population couldn't see the bigger picture....short term pain long term gain.

    The choices made in February,March by most countries sealed our fate.
    The virus will be with us forever now in some shape or form.
    The attitude by most was "Ah sure this will all blow over in a few weeks"

    That's a very low threshold for failure. Any idea that requires buy in from 7bn people regardless of all the different interests, agendas, infrastructure etc is not going to work.


  • #3281
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They are kids

    It's been happening in house parties all year

    Wrong pal. They were so called adults who should have some basic cop on. Kids would know better than to act like these absolute ****ing morons.


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  • #3282
    Glenomra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 983 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    I think when this episode is examined historically it will be seen as an example of 'collective stupidity'. Amazing how the masses of people allowed themselves become paranoid about a relatively harmless virus.


  • #3283
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its not just the Irish, we are seeing the same behaviours most of the world, we do love a good moan though in this country and to put people back in their place.

    Unfortunately there are clueless selfish morons everywhere in the world.


  • #3284
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Thanks for responding.
    I can't understand your figures, not because they are wrong. Just because back of envelope stuff needs the envelope in front of us both as people leave out their maths shortcuts.

    The 27000 I mention is the reported cases to date rounded up. As per title of thread.

    If you meant 270,000 is too big that is based on 5 to 6% seroprevalence which is a number regularly being returned globally including preliminary results here in July.

    Can you explain the 9000 figure you multiply then by 9 plus 70000? Just so I know what you mean.

    The preliminary results in July were >5% and the uptake in testing was too low. In other places that have done widespread they can widely vary.

    Basically taking the headline figure of 27,000 and multiplying it by X is far too blunt an instrument that does take into account the dozens of other factors at play that can determine the true extent of infection.

    I used 9 because that is the number you used.

    For instance if 1000 care home residents confined to indoors test positive, is it right to multiply that number by X?

    Similarly with 7000 odd health care workers who got infected at work.

    But even at 150,000 infections the hospitalization rate is low at circa 2%.


  • #3285
    s1ippy
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    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    They are entitled to their opinions and thoughts though are they not?
    My feeling is that their thoughts are unhelpful (and probably facetious) when they're specifically designed to stir up agro. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past six months, the actions of the people in that bar will clearly be quite troubling because they're drunk af, not distancing and wearing masks wrong while shouting over music, standing up on the bar and breathing down on each other, bringing around a tray of drinks that everyone is handling... Even as I write that I'm lmao because it's absurd to think that's grand right now

    That's going to bother people when they have the self-control not to do that. Especially law-abiding publicans who may lose their livelihoods.


  • #3286
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Cases rising around Europe but deaths dropping fast.
    Why?

    Younger people are getting the virus , sick for a few weeks and then recover.

    Isolate clusters for a few weeks and repeatedly test
    Protect the vulnerable while the rest of us get on with it.


  • #3287
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    That's a very low threshold for failure. Any idea that requires buy in from 7bn people regardless of all the different interests, agendas, infrastructure etc is not going to work.

    For 2 to 3 weeks?


  • #3288
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    This whole blaming thing is ridiculous tbh, nobody goes out with the intention of being stupid and getting infected.
    That Berlin place is known for this ****, it was made very clear last night. Blanket blaming an age group is incredibly out of touch.


  • #3289
    seefin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭seefin


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    That 25 out of 200 is still only 12.5% community transmission. Well below what the average actually is

    I thought they said last night that they still haven't identified how ~100 out of the 200 had acquired, so community transmission could be higher?


  • #3290
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    seefin wrote: »
    I thought they said last night that they still haven't identified how ~100 out of the 200 had acquired, so community transmission could be higher?

    The remainder = travel, healthcare workers and cases under investigation


  • #3291
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    s1ippy wrote: »
    My feeling is that their thoughts are unhelpful (and probably facetious) when they're specifically designed to stir up agro. Unless you've been living under a rock for the past six months, the actions of the people in that bar will clearly be quite troubling because they're drunk af, not distancing and wearing masks wrong while shouting over music, standing up on the bar and breathing on each other. Even as I write that I'm lmao because it's absurd to think that's grand right now

    That's going to bother people when they have the self-control not to do that. Especially law-abiding publicans who may lose their livelihoods.

    That age group aren't doing it anyway, house parties, beach parties etc there also the group handling all your groceries behind the perspex, i'm pro most measures except the unfounded mandatory mask policy nipping in for a coffee or a carton of milk. The pub rules are plain stupid when measured against other rules. 6mts in prison for not wearing a mask is not warranted and shouldn't be blindly accepted.
    This is what we know about masks outside of a labatory, https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/ (one of the authors of that report addressed the covid advisory committee the other day and also is reporting into the WHO, so it's not just my opinion)
    I'm anti mask as the other guidelines have gone out the window, I'd prefer we stick with the original guidelines as it seems to have had a better effect on controlling the spread, instead masks were introduced numbers have gone up there is no denying that and there's no denying people are ignoring the basics.
    You can point to masks being effective in a labatory environment, we don't live in a labatory though.


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  • #3292
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    OK, having watched the Noel Rock linked video to Berlin, the only saving grace is low numbers inside and that a good few of them are making an effort to distance.


  • #3293
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    Steve F wrote: »
    For 2 to 3 weeks?

    For 10 minutes even. You're talking about every single person in the world buying into the same ideology, it has never happened ever. See world peace, fight against poverty, equality for all for reference.


  • #3294
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    is_that_so wrote: »
    OK, having watched the Noel Rock linked video to Berlin, the only saving grace is low numbers inside and that a good few of them are making an effort to distance.
    https://twitter.com/ErikaScally/status/1294939435923111936


  • #3295
    Steve F
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,858 ✭✭✭Steve F


    Speaking from personal experience the mandatory wearing of facemasks is a farce.

    Example. A sign on the front window of an establishment.
    "The wearing of face coverings is MANDATORY in this building.
    Anyone NOT wearing one will NOT be permitted inside"

    Needless to say it WASN'T unforced
    What's the point unless ALL businesses and establishments are enforcing it?
    Anyone?


  • #3296
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    expectationlost wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ErikaScally/status/1294939435923111936

    To be fair, there’s a metre between those tables, no?
    Not defending it btw before i get jumped at as usual, shut the place down


  • #3297
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    This whole blaming thing is ridiculous tbh, nobody goes out with the intention of being stupid and getting infected.
    That Berlin place is known for this ****, it was made very clear last night. Blanket blaming an age group is incredibly out of touch.


    I agree. Blanket blaming counties is different though. That’s ok because cork is doing fine and it’s an extension of the GAA.
    Meanwhile every other county who has a case should cop on and be locked down post haste.

    Am I right or am I right.


  • #3298
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,505 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    To be fair, there’s a metre between those tables, no?
    Not defending it btw before i get jumped at as usual, shut the place down
    staff aren't protecting themselves and others


  • #3299
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I agree. Blanket blaming counties is different though. That’s ok because cork is doing fine and it’s an extension of the GAA.
    Meanwhile every other county who has a case should cop on and be locked down post haste.

    Am I right or am I right.

    Do you disagree that the majority of cases come from Dublin and Kildare? The numbers don’t lie.

    Blame =/= stating a fact, with numbers to back it up.


  • #3300
    Boggles
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    Half empty and everyone sitting down? :confused:


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  • #3301
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Steve F wrote: »
    Speaking from personal experience the mandatory wearing of facemasks is a farce.

    Example. A sign on the front window of an establishment.
    "The wearing of face coverings is MANDATORY in this building.
    Anyone NOT wearing one will NOT be permitted inside"

    Needless to say it WASN'T unforced
    What's the point unless ALL businesses and establishments are enforcing it?
    Anyone?

    I haven't been stopped anywhere, avoiding Centra though if you don't have one your charged €3 on the way in for one. Handed to you by someone who may or may not have covid, they can keep it.
    I haven't spent any longer than 5 minutes in a shop though, probably put one on if in there for 15 minutes or more, trying to avoid those situations though.


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