How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Murple · 16-08-2020 11:24AM

JTMan wrote: »

This is a very meaningful report. 91 test positive for coronavirus in Shimane high school cluster.

School children in many countries around the world are now at risk of infection. Our country is no exception.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/08/11/national/science-health/shimane-coronavirus-school-cluster/

Oh but we are an exception because we have special magic pods and bubbles that will keep all children safe as well as new posters about hand washing. We are sorted.

khalessi · 16-08-2020 11:25AM

Murple wrote: »

Oh but we are an exception because we have special magic pods and bubbles that will keep all children safe as well as new posters about hand washing. We are sorted.

You forgot the lovely diagrams with social distancing that isnt social distancing. Shure be grand.

Murple · 16-08-2020 12:07PM

khalessi wrote: »

You forgot the lovely diagrams with social distancing that isnt social distancing. Shure be grand.

How could I have forgotten them! They are...words fail me!
I especially like the diagram for laying out the room with 1m between pupils where they show the distance between them as being 0.4m. So long as I know that 0.4 Is the same as 1m which is the same as 2m. I believe all the publishers are reprinting the maths books to make reference to this new measurement fact.

wirelessdude01 · 16-08-2020 12:22PM

Murple wrote: »

How could I have forgotten them! They are...words fail me!
I especially like the diagram for laying out the room with 1m between pupils where they show the distance between them as being 0.4m. So long as I know that 0.4 Is the same as 1m which is the same as 2m. I believe all the publishers are reprinting the maths books to make reference to this new measurement fact.

Also don't forget that the 40cm was from the centre of one dot to the centre of another dot. Would more or less mean they are shoulder to shoulder.

Stateofyou · 16-08-2020 12:23PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

I agree with you re the need for an online learning plan. I think however that the gov are adamant to open schools and I think given what both Leo and Acting CMO have said in relation to expecting cases in schools that they will focus on temporary local school closures with deep cleans and reopen again ala the meat plants as a plan of action. Of course it remains to be seen how practical / effective that will be.

Well what about people at higher risk or living in higher risk situations? Could they not have been provided for and therefore reducing class sizes? What about when students and teachers become sick or need to self-isolate/close down? Other countries have done this, it's ridiculous that the lazy and short sighted clowns haven't done this. Is it because they were too busy enjoying their hols, no f-ks to give for the Irish people or wtf is their problem.

khalessi · 16-08-2020 12:30PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Well what about people at higher risk or living in higher risk situations? Could they not have been provided for and therefore reducing class sizes? What about when students and teachers become sick or need to self-isolate/close down? Other countries have done this, it's ridiculous that the lazy and short sighted clowns haven't done this. Is it because they were too busy enjoying their hols, no f-ks to give for the Irish people or wtf is their problem.

The problem is they don't care, all they want is the schools open so the parents can get back to work as they cant get economy open otherwise.

They could have come up with a plan for primary with childcare workers where they hired any available space and had the schools open with half classes and the other half minded by childcare workers, then swap them during the week, so the children got 2 and half days a week in school and the rest in a childcare facility and this would free parents to work. The kids could get homework done with childcae workers and then play so they would be exercising too.

lulublue22 · 16-08-2020 12:36PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Well what about people at higher risk or living in higher risk situations? Could they not have been provided for and therefore reducing class sizes? What about when students and teachers become sick or need to self-isolate/close down? Other countries have done this, it's ridiculous that the lazy and short sighted clowns haven't done this. Is it because they were too busy enjoying their hols, no f-ks to give for the Irish people or wtf is their problem.

Totally agree with you. I’m outlining what I feel is the gov stance not that I agree with it. The back to school plan is woefully inadequate on a number of levels.

khalessi · 16-08-2020 12:42PM

I dont think they want to go down the road of making wfh provisions for high risk and very high risk teachers as they know that they would have a shotage in the schools

lulublue22 · 16-08-2020 12:45PM

khalessi wrote: »

I dont think they want to go down the road of making wfh provisions for high risk and very high risk teachers as they know that they would have a shotage in the schools

quite possibly - as is schools will struggle with staff shortages. I still don’t understand where all these subs are going to come from. They seem to have one focus and one focus only open the schools for all children. I think keeping them open will be the tricky part.

combat14 · 16-08-2020 12:45PM

Anyone who is concerned about schools reopening needs to take a look at this video from Dublin's Dame Lane

https://mobile.twitter.com/antoon619/status/1294704669722370049?s=04

It is interesting to see the social distancing and "correct" use of face masks in the video above - I'm sure it will be the same when schools go back

ireland now has more covid cases per 100,000 than the UK or Germany - in fact it has more than quadrupled since the famous green list was introduced ..

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0816/1159430-coronavirus-ireland/

govt needs to get focused again instead of being on 6 weeks hols and get the covid social distance message back out there again if they want schools to definitely reopen at this rate

Jim Root · 16-08-2020 01:03PM

Every second post I see on Twitter is a teacher pushing a non reopening agenda, is there an orchestrated social media campaign underway? What’s going on?

wirelessdude01 · 16-08-2020 01:13PM

Jim Root wrote: »

Every second post I see on Twitter is a teacher pushing a non reopening agenda, is there an orchestrated social media campaign underway? What’s going on?

Stick one of them up here so we can have a look. I have yet to see one calling for school buildings to be kept closed. What I do see are people calling for the plan to be revised, amended and adapted.

khalessi · 16-08-2020 01:32PM

Jim Root wrote: »

Every second post I see on Twitter is a teacher pushing a non reopening agenda, is there an orchestrated social media campaign underway? What’s going on?

Is it that they are pointing out flaws with plan or saying they are worried and you are misinterpreting it?

tscul32 · 16-08-2020 01:33PM

Would be funnier if it wasn't so true

i_surge · 16-08-2020 01:36PM

khalessi wrote: »

The problem is they don't care, all they want is the schools open so the parents can get back to work as they cant get economy open otherwise.

And still no talk of strike? Don't accept the unacceptable.

Sunday Sunday · 16-08-2020 01:37PM

Unfortunately it cannot be avoided forever, covid will be with us for a long time.

Have a look at how other pandemics have ended, some of those diseases are still with us today.

It ends medically or through society or a combination of both.

Vaccine and treatments, or people just accepting it as another of many illnesses preferably avoided.

The only question is which comes first, a cure or acceptance of the risk.

gabeeg · 16-08-2020 01:39PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

Unfortunately it cannot be avoided forever, covid will be with us for a long time.

Have a look at how other pandemics have ended, some of those diseases are still with us today.

It ends medically or through society or a combination of both.

Vaccine and treatments, or people just accepting it as another of many illnesses preferably avoided.

The only question is which comes first, a cure or acceptance of the risk.

All sane voices in this thread are calling for mitigation of risk.

i_surge · 16-08-2020 01:39PM

Jim Root wrote: »

Every second post I see on Twitter is a teacher pushing a non reopening agenda, is there an orchestrated social media campaign underway? What’s going on?

I hope so

There is no point pretending it isn't unworkable at this stage, add to the that the arbitrary "punishment" of certain counties. Logical blackholes throughout.

the corpo · 16-08-2020 01:41PM

Blindboy joining in now 8)

https://twitter.com/Rubberbandits/status/1294973861025521665?s=20

wirelessdude01 · 16-08-2020 01:43PM

tscul32 wrote: »

Would be funnier if it wasn't so true

Love the lad circled in red!!!

wirelessdude01 · 16-08-2020 01:44PM

i_surge wrote: »

And still no talk of strike? Don't accept the unacceptable.

Go and take your rubbish elsewhere. You've been trying to get someone to bite for 2 weeks.

i_surge · 16-08-2020 01:51PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Go and take your rubbish elsewhere. You've been trying to get someone to bite for 2 weeks.

Go murder a few citizens with your acceptance of mediocrity

gabeeg · 16-08-2020 02:32PM

Sure buddy, teachers are murderers. Class act.

I don't think this has been posted yet, but there's already been two schools in Scotland with cases to deal with.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53785732?__twitter_impression=true

i_surge · 16-08-2020 02:37PM

gabeeg wrote: »

Sure buddy, teachers are murderers. Class act.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-53785732?__twitter_impression=true

You get the point about good people sitting on their hands. I can't understand people who admit that everything is wrong with the plan but go along with it anyway, except in terms of the experiments where people will follow authority against their own conscience.

Sunday Sunday · 16-08-2020 02:53PM

i_surge wrote: »

You get the point about good people sitting on their hands. I can't understand people who admit that everything is wrong with the plan but go along with it anyway, except in terms of the experiments where people will follow authority against their own conscience.

People have had to make tough decisions throughout and not everyone is comfortable with the way things are being done since the beginning. Choices are limited here and trying to guilt trip people is not right.

I mean take the lockdown across Kildare, Laois and Offaly. Its a lockdown purely in media terms and nothing really different actually happening on the ground.

Cases will happen, clusters will happen, we are really testing an enormous amount of people at the moment.

The day will eventually come where testing wanes, we don't get a daily case count and we stop social distancing and wearing masks.

People will stop caring and thinking about it, it will no longer have the impact it has now.

This is long term, we need to move on.

i_surge · 16-08-2020 02:55PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

People have had to make tough decisions throughout and not everyone is comfortable with the way things are being done since the beginning. Choices are limited here and trying to guilt trip people is not right.

I mean take the lockdown across Kildare, Laois and Offaly. Its a lockdown purely in media terms and nothing really different actually happening on the ground.

Cases will happen, clusters will happen, we are really testing an enormous amount of people at the moment.

The day will eventually come where testing wanes, we don't get a daily case count and we stop social distancing and wearing masks.

People will stop caring and thinking about it, it will no longer have the impact it has now.

This is long term, we need to move on.

Yes but how long is a piece of string?

To wilfully exacerbate the problem is beyond foolish.

Downlinz · 16-08-2020 03:22PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

People have had to make tough decisions throughout and not everyone is comfortable with the way things are being done since the beginning. Choices are limited here and trying to guilt trip people is not right.

I mean take the lockdown across Kildare, Laois and Offaly. Its a lockdown purely in media terms and nothing really different actually happening on the ground.

Cases will happen, clusters will happen, we are really testing an enormous amount of people at the moment.

The day will eventually come where testing wanes, we don't get a daily case count and we stop social distancing and wearing masks.

People will stop caring and thinking about it, it will no longer have the impact it has now.

This is long term, we need to move on.

Asian countries which have dealt with pandemics in the recent past have seen mask wearing become a common and accepted part of day to day life. On trains, in schools and offices you'll see them everywhere in any large city in China, Japan or South Korea.

"Moving on" means accepting life won't be how it was.

We need to adapt and live in a way which mitigates risk. History and Nature have shown those who refuse or are unable to adapt to changing circumstances are those at greatest risk of survival.

Stateofyou · 16-08-2020 03:46PM

khalessi wrote: »

The problem is they don't care, all they want is the schools open so the parents can get back to work as they cant get economy open otherwise.

They could have come up with a plan for primary with childcare workers where they hired any available space and had the schools open with half classes and the other half minded by childcare workers, then swap them during the week, so the children got 2 and half days a week in school and the rest in a childcare facility and this would free parents to work. The kids could get homework done with childcae workers and then play so they would be exercising too.

Yeah I think you're right, they don't care. Regarding wanting the economy open again, I believe I've heard several times in the news lately a 'positive' talking point from someone in the gov (possible Leo was one) and it was pointed out that the economy is largely up and running again and most are back at work, which is true. The gap for childcare needs to be filled at you'd wonder if the people who's creche's/camps have closed wouldn't be looking for childminding/tutoring opportunities for those with single parent or two working parent households.

They most definitely could have come up with a plan, agreed.

Stateofyou · 16-08-2020 04:08PM

Sunday Sunday wrote: »

People have had to make tough decisions throughout and not everyone is comfortable with the way things are being done since the beginning. Choices are limited here and trying to guilt trip people is not right.

I mean take the lockdown across Kildare, Laois and Offaly. Its a lockdown purely in media terms and nothing really different actually happening on the ground.

Cases will happen, clusters will happen, we are really testing an enormous amount of people at the moment.

The day will eventually come where testing wanes, we don't get a daily case count and we stop social distancing and wearing masks.

People will stop caring and thinking about it, it will no longer have the impact it has now.

This is long term, we need to move on.

Here's a quote from an article linked above:
"Michael McNamara said the lack of capacity in the health service has been evident since the 1980s and as hospitals here are expecting an overrun this winter, the Government is imposing much stricter and draconian travel restrictions on our citizens than any other country in Europe."

Unfortunately, "moving on" is not that simple. This virus is extremely contagious is more deadly than the flu. The danger is overrunning a health care system that can't cope. And that would affect ALL of us. According to that article it seems they've known our health system hasn't been up to scratch for the past 40 years and SFA has been done about it. We have some of the largest class sizes in Europe with cut after cut to education and now we're faced with this sh!t show during a global pandemic because the investment was never there.

I'll say one thing the governments running this country down the years haven't done right by it's people on many measures.

i_surge · 16-08-2020 04:17PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

Here's a quote from an article linked above:
"Michael McNamara said the lack of capacity in the health service has been evident since the 1980s and as hospitals here are expecting an overrun this winter, the Government is imposing much stricter and draconian travel restrictions on our citizens than any other country in Europe."

Unfortunately, "moving on" is not that simple. This virus is extremely contagious is more deadly than the flu. The danger is overrunning a health care system that can't cope. And that would affect ALL of us. According to that article it seems they've known our health system hasn't been up to scratch for the past 40 years and SFA has been done about it. We have some of the largest class sizes in Europe with cut after cut to education and now we're faced with this sh!t show during a global pandemic because the investment was never there.

I'll say one thing the governments running this country down the years haven't done right by it's people on many measures.

I think following the trend elsewhere, we mightn't max out capacity but this plan will certainly draw out the problem for much longer, lead to extra deaths that could be prevented with a better plan and undo a lot of the hard effort and sacrifice that has been done.

But I guess access to rote learning (and childcare) is considered more important than preventable deaths.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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