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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #3242
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Boggles wrote: »
    We breached the 20 mark, tomorrow will be interesting.

    We really need some confidence from our government.

    Do they think these numbers are okay? Are they happy enough to open the country more if the hospitalizations remain low? Will these numbers affect the schools opening? How are the managing the clusters?

    This silence is making MM look cowardly, we really need strong leadership now but his wait and pray approach is really putting people on edge myself included.


  • #3243
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    What about the operators of the meat factories that are actually linked to outbreaks that caused a lockdown in 3 counties?

    Don't get me wrong, what happened in that pub was ridiculous and should be condemned, but there's no point coming down like a ton of bricks on them while we continue to ignore what's going on in those factores.


    I don't know about the other factories, but have you read up on the Brady meats one ? What exactly is the issue ?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/inside-the-o-brien-fine-foods-factory-in-lockdown-kildare-1.4330267


  • #3244
    Piehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Piehead


    Boggles wrote: »
    We breached the 20 mark, tomorrow will be interesting.

    Restaurants will be closed again due to the outrageous scenes today.


  • #3245
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    They're not kids. They're adults and acting like sh1theads.

    Absolutely. All are 20+.


  • #3246
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Onesea wrote: »
    Lots of things we can link the argument to. There option of staying locked down until a vaccine happens isn't going to happen. So we get back to normal and beef up the health service. That what's happening.

    Sure, flout the rules for all you can. Kids are kids. Bad parenting.


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  • #3247
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    You don't get false positives with a PCR test unless you contaminate it with another positive sample. This test is highly specific.

    I know that. He used a PCR for his second test. There's no indication of what was used for the first one.


  • #3248
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,049 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Tork wrote: »
    Look everybody is sick of Covid-19, lockdowns, facemasks, hand sanitizer, social distancing, not being able to go the pub etc. That's a given. What's infuriating is that there are people out there who are behaving like shïtheads and prolonging the misery for us all. I'm sure anybody looking at that footage from the bar in LOK is especially pissed off today. I see words like fear and hysteria being thrown out there. I'd prefer to see words like respect and sensible instead. If people did what they were asked to do, we wouldn't be starting to see the trends we are. Sweden took a lot of flack for its approach to the virus. Perhaps we should be taking a leaf from their book. They kept their bars open etc. and their government trusted them not to behave like shïtheads. Apart from care homes where they majorly fcked up, they're doing alright now. We're not capable of that, it would appear.

    We the people did what was asked, it's out leaders let us down by not stepping up continuing to allow the free flow of people across our borders, we were within days of being in New Zelands boots. Tony could see the prize and was openly disagreeing with the Government, he should have been let finish the job.
    Don't ever accuse the people of Ireland for the current state of affairs it's not our fault.
    We've take the heard immunity route now let's just get on with it or bring Tony back.


  • #3249
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Boggles wrote: »
    We breached the 20 mark, tomorrow will be interesting.

    Let’s see what to today’s figures are first.

    But what is interesting is that people were of the view that Ireland is safe - staycation and visit Irish seaside towns. No worries - all will be grand. Meanwhile anyone who is travelling (even to Green zones) is a leper and dangerous.

    Germany (Which is not on the green list) is a lot safer than Ireland and if you get sick there you have a greater chance of survival.


  • #3250
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    We really need some confidence from our government.

    Do they think these numbers are okay? Are they happy enough to open the country more if the hospitalizations remain low? Will these numbers affect the schools opening? How are the managing the clusters?

    This silence is making MM look cowardly, we really need strong leadership now but his wait and pray approach is really putting people on edge myself included.
    There are five factors they look at - overall cases, hospitalization numbers, ICU numbers, deaths and R0. There's no more "opening" until the end of the month and that is schools, which has to happen. While there is more risk in such a large number moving they can limit that risk by getting the plan right.


  • #3251
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    1641 wrote: »
    I don't know about the other factories, but have you read up on the Brady meats one ? What exactly is the issue ?
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/inside-the-o-brien-fine-foods-factory-in-lockdown-kildare-1.4330267
    At 9pm on Wednesday, processing was shut down, and everyone was sent home on full pay, except for six people who were cleared by the HSE to keep working in the warehouse, and five more I see on the factory floor.

    O’Brien sought out expert PR advice that evening

    I have a bridge to sell you if you believe that steaming pile of absolute horsé****.


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  • #3252
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Piehead wrote: »
    Restaurants will be closed again due to the outrageous scenes today.

    Not the ones I go to. That isn't going to happen. Just because a bunch of selfish people decide to go on the piss and have an illegal party, and another bunch of selfish people facilitate them illegally, better not mean that I can't go out and have a meal and a drink.


  • #3253
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Piehead wrote: »
    Restaurants will be closed again due to the outrageous scenes today.
    That one will. The majority of places, according to Gardai, are compliant.


  • #3254
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Piehead wrote: »
    Restaurants will be closed again due to the outrageous scenes today.

    Be murder if that happens

    Need to close government departments while we are at it and put all those teachers on bloody Covid payments or get them out helping in nursing homes/hospitals or something


  • #3255
    1641
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭1641


    Boggles wrote: »
    I have a bridge to sell you if you believe that steaming pile of absolute horsé****.


    So? As any company would do? Apart from the smear by innuendo, what is the issue? How does it compare to a pub flouting the guidelines?


  • #3256
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    is_that_so wrote: »
    That one will. The majority of places, according to Gardai, are compliant.

    Absolutely. Far better to have strong enforcement on the few who transgress rather than shut down the many who are compliant.


  • #3257
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Be murder if that happens

    Need to close government departments while we are at it and put all those teachers on bloody Covid payments or get them out helping in nursing homes/hospitals or something

    Why would a teacher be working in a hospital?

    :confused:

    We should get plumbers to do surgery.


  • #3258
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,504 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    1641 wrote: »
    So? As any company would do? Apart from the smear by innuendo, what is the issue? How does it compare to a pub flouting the guidelines?

    I never suggested it did compare.


  • #3259
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Boggles wrote: »
    27,000 is too high.

    8,000+ of those are health care workers, the vast majority of which were infected in work, I also imagine they went on to infect family members.

    You would then have to further adjust the figure to capture mass outbreaks in enclosed areas.

    Probably a more accurate measure would be community transmission, roughly 9000.

    9000 x 9 = 81,000 +70,000 (to be generous).

    150,000 odd infections.

    My personal opinion, we escaped with a very "mild" first instance of the pandemic.

    Thanks for responding.
    I can't understand your figures, not because they are wrong. Just because back of envelope stuff needs the envelope in front of us both as people leave out their maths shortcuts.

    The 27000 I mention is the reported cases to date rounded up. As per title of thread.

    If you meant 270,000 is too big that is based on 5 to 6% seroprevalence which is a number regularly being returned globally including preliminary results here in July.

    Can you explain the 9000 figure you multiply then by 9 plus 70000? Just so I know what you mean.


  • #3260
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We the people did what was asked, it's out leaders let us down by not stepping up continuing to allow the free flow of people across our borders, we were within days of being in New Zelands boots. Tony could see the prize and was openly disagreeing with the Government, he should have been let finish the job.
    Don't ever accuse the people of Ireland for the current state of affairs it's not our fault.
    We've take the heard immunity route now let's just get on with it or bring Tony back.

    I think Ronan Glynn is doing his job. Clusters popped up and he along with other nephet members recommended moving back a phase in the counties of the clusters.
    What else could they do?

    As always if public health officials make recommendations but government ignore or go their own route then that's on government.

    Nobody has experience in handling a pandemic. There is nothing to go off.


  • #3261
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Tork


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    We the people did what was asked, it's out leaders let us down by not stepping up continuing to allow the free flow of people across our borders, we were within days of being in New Zelands boots. Tony could see the prize and was openly disagreeing with the Government, he should have been let finish the job.
    Don't ever accuse the people of Ireland for the current state of affairs it's not our fault.
    We've take the heard (sic) immunity route now let's just get on with it or bring Tony back.

    If the Irish people were doing what was being asked of them, we wouldn't have these rises in community transmission rates. We wouldn't have house parties, stories of people congregating in groups all over the place etc. Anybody who doesn't know by now that they're supposed to wash their hands, social distance, wear a mask in certain places, restrict the number of people from other households they're mixing with etc. has been living under a rock for the last 5 months. It's the Irish "it'll be grand" and "rules are for other people" mentality that's coming to the fore here.


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  • #3262
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Let’s see what to today’s figures are first.

    But what is interesting is that people were of the view that Ireland is safe - staycation and visit Irish seaside towns. No worries - all will be grand. Meanwhile anyone who is travelling (even to Green zones) is a leper and dangerous.

    Germany (Which is not on the green list) is a lot safer than Ireland and if you get sick there you have a greater chance of survival.

    Granted there are mixed messages and having tourists coming into the country Dilutes our efforts to lower cases.

    But from a tracking POV -

    - staycation - COVID App makes it easier to contact trace. People get in car drove to destination with no more then one stop needed to go anywhere in Ireland. Easier to keep distance from groups (I air BnBd in Wexford , own house to self and family). Generally good compliance of social distancing and solid Strategies to mitigate risk

    - going abroad - airport or ferry. On that alone you can interact with all sorts of people from all parts of world coming and going from lots of places (prob easier on ferry to avoid). In foreign country no contact tracing capacity. Different levels of compliance and strategies per region. Interacting with multiple different communities.

    In my france stays I usually count 30%-40% Irish reg plates in our camping site. On weekends you can have blow ins (usually younger crowds looking to party and cheap accommodation) and you can have tourists even just popping in for a few nights on the way to somewhere else.

    In short, going on holidays abroad increase the variables with regards to getting and tracing the virus. This makes it harder to manage and identify problem areas.


  • #3263
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Boggles wrote: »
    Why would a teacher be working in a hospital?

    :confused:

    We should get plumbers to do surgery.

    They are not doing much sitting at home are they?

    Schools are not gonna re-open and they've been off 6 months

    We might as well get onto Microsoft and have them write up an education package and have a bot teach the kids at this stage

    That's where it's going anyway, might as well start it now


  • #3264
    The Unbearables
    Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    They are kids

    It's been happening in house parties all year

    And they are wank8ers also. Screwing us all.


  • #3265
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    What's the median age for the handful in hospital/ICU

    We were told to flatten the curve and save the health sector, there was 900 + in hospital at the peak, why?? because the state left our most vulnerable over exposed causing their numbers to make up abut 60% of deaths. That was like introducing a nasty whooping cough to a creche.

    Lets see how fast the death numbers get up,on this so called second wave!! we wont!! we've had 10 deaths in 6 weeks and most were legacy deaths (holding on for a good while in ICU) some craic watching leo and Michael telling us watch out for granny and granda..this from the people who wanted to keep this group pulling tax for them til they're 68!!! this from the group that cut their coal/heating allowance causing "societies most vulnerable" to turn up in droves and reverse it.

    They don't give a fiddlers about your granny and granda.

    The most vulnerable in society have been drowned in the initial tsunami of this saga, the second wave will be barely felt but the younger and stronger that are catching the wave this time round. Because they're young they can thread water and ride it out fine cause they're fitter and healtier, it;s as simple as that. Watch the death number this time round, that will tell you the tale. The first 1500 was neglegence.


  • #3266
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Tork wrote: »
    If the Irish people were doing what was being asked of them, we wouldn't have these rises in community transmission rates. We wouldn't have house parties, stories of people congregating in groups all over the place etc. Anybody who doesn't know by now that they're supposed to wash their hands, social distance, wear a mask in certain places, restrict the number of people from other households they're mixing with etc. has been living under a rock for the last 5 months. It's the Irish "it'll be grand" and "rules are for other people" mentality that's coming to the fore here.
    Hmm, that whole respect for people lasted what - about two posts?! You must be one of the 70% who thinks anyone who gets COVID is reckless. I suspect there are a whole lot of people who wouldn't sign up to your fun free world.


  • #3267
    Tork
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭Tork


    I don't respect people who flout the rules in a big way, no. Because these inconsiderate a-holes are ruining the fun world I lived in before this.


  • #3268
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Tork wrote: »
    If the Irish people were doing what was being asked of them, we wouldn't have these rises in community transmission rates. We wouldn't have house parties, stories of people congregating in groups all over the place etc. Anybody who doesn't know by now that they're supposed to wash their hands, social distance, wear a mask in certain places, restrict the number of people from other households they're mixing with etc. has been living under a rock for the last 5 months. It's the Irish "it'll be grand" and "rules are for other people" mentality that's coming to the fore here.

    Its not just the Irish, we are seeing the same behaviours most of the world, we do love a good moan though in this country and to put people back in their place.


  • #3269
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Tork wrote: »
    If the Irish people were doing what was being asked of them, we wouldn't have these rises in community transmission rates. We wouldn't have house parties, stories of people congregating in groups all over the place etc. Anybody who doesn't know by now that they're supposed to wash their hands, social distance, wear a mask in certain places, restrict the number of people from other households they're mixing with etc. has been living under a rock for the last 5 months. It's the Irish "it'll be grand" and "rules are for other people" mentality that's coming to the fore here.

    Alot of cases have come from a ethnic group, that obey no laws

    Never have and never will


  • #3270
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Hmm, that whole respect for people lasted what - about two posts?! You must be one of the 70% who thinks anyone who gets COVID is reckless. I suspect there are a whole lot of people who wouldn't sign up to your fun free world.

    If they get Covid-19 as a result of that party in Berlin D2, and subsequently pass it on to vulnerable people, then "reckless" isn't a strong enough word.


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  • #3271
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Tork wrote: »
    I don't respect people who flout the rules in a big way, no. Becasue these inconsiderate a-holes are ruining the fun world I lived in before this.
    Fair enough. I doubt you respect anyone who doesn't think like you on this.


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