Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Spiderman0081 · 15-08-2020 11:35PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's so easy for people to call for it. Their argument falls down when you ask how they would implement it. Bring up the border issues and it always falls down to asking the UK to follow a zero covid approach.

Hello. You just have to fine people. 1 million euros.

GooglePlus · 15-08-2020 11:40PM

Renjit wrote: »

Lads, we keep watchin few more weeks. Chill out and enjoy the weekend. Remember to do your part.

I came here to discuss coronavirus, as per the the title of the thread. If I wanted to really enjoy my weekend, I wouldn't be on this website but I'm a divil for self abuse

Strumms · 15-08-2020 11:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Having taught in a classroom with everyone wearing masks, I can safely tell you air filtration and ventilation are largely irrelevant. By lunchtime of the first day, rules break down and while there is some semblance of added safety, if a kid has it, it's likely to spread.

They'll still share bottles of water. They'll be horsing around as usual by the second day. They'll pull down their masks to shout at someone across the room. The teacher will end up doing the same. It can't and will never work the way adults think it might.

The approach will quickly change to reducing mingling between students in different classes imo. That's what happened where I am. Classes were fed in their rooms. Buses were added. School start and finish were staggered to reduce mingling on the way in and out.

In fairness I’d imagine the easiest thing to get right in schools would be the infrastructure, but like you are saying it’s how to prevent kids from behavior that can and will potentially be the catalyst for spreading. Teachers have a hard enough job simply teaching and enabling kids to learn, grow and be educated but add in this scenario...

Teachers are not parents, parents got to parent, I know in this day and age that’s almost a fûckin foreign concept in some cases for parents but if the kid is CONSTANTLY disregarding, disrespecting and endangering even potentially the health, safety and welfare of the other students / staff... the school should inform both parents and students of a ‘strike’ system, whereby three strikes and it’s suspension for two weeks... rack up another three and good luck...

What Username Guidelines · 15-08-2020 11:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic post. There's no obvious plan. It's very reactionary.

Even if they think they have a plan, and it’s easy for me to say, it needs to consider the short, medium and long term outcomes. The problem is the lack of central information on the disease and it’s spread, ability to spread and effects overall.

We all know how quickly this information changes as more data comes to light, and it’s very difficult to keep up with, to know what is current, and to decide between often-conflicting peer reviewed studies.

So I think NPHET and the government need to come out and say “based on the fact we know [A], we are aiming for [ B], so if we go above [C] in a certain area, we need to act by doing [D].”

Solve for A, B, C, where D = Lockdown.

NK76 · 15-08-2020 11:42PM

Covid is nothing more than a normal illness...its time to pull all restrictions...open everything and see where we are in a month...if this happens then everyone will have an accurate understanding of whether this is all hype or something to worry about...personally its all hype

Spiderman0081 · 15-08-2020 11:42PM

Strumms wrote: »

In fairness I’d imagine the easiest thing to get right in schools would be the infrastructure, but like you are saying it’s how to prevent kids from behavior that can and will potentially be the catalyst for spreading. Teachers have a hard enough job simply teaching and enabling kids to learn, grow and be educated but add in this scenario...

Teachers are not parents, parents got to parent, I know in this day and age that’s almost a fûckin foreign concept in some cases for parents but if the kid is CONSTANTLY disregarding, disrespecting and endangering even potentially the health, safety and welfare of the other students / staff... the school should inform both parents and students of a ‘strike’ system, whereby three strikes and it’s suspension for two weeks... rack up another three and good luck...

What if the kid isn’t white?

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 11:44PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Even if they think they have a plan, and it’s easy for me to say, it needs to consider the short, medium and long term outcomes. The problem is the lack of central information on the disease and it’s spread, ability to spread and effects overall.

We all know how quickly this information changes as more data comes to light, and it’s very difficult to keep up with, to know what is current, and to decide between often-conflicting peer reviewed studies.

So I think NPHET and the government need to come out and say “based on the fact we know [A], we are aiming for [ B], so if we go above [C] in a certain area, we need to act by doing [D].”

Solve for A, B, C, where D = Lockdown.

That makes far too much sense for Ireland

GooglePlus · 15-08-2020 11:45PM

NK76 wrote: »

Covid is nothing more than a normal illness...its time to pull all restrictions...open everything and see where we are in a month...if this happens then everyone will have an accurate understanding of whether this is all hype or something to worry about...personally its all hype

That makes loads of sense.

Let's shut the global economy down for a normal illness.

Who actually benefits from your stupid scenario? All you have to do is think about it for more than 5 seconds, please.

15-08-2020 11:45PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

What if the kid isn’t white?

Fair play. With only six words, you're going to make say a thousand people who read this thread roll their eyes and groan at the ceiling.

Wolf359f · 15-08-2020 11:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They had fewer restrictions than Ireland and three months of success. Vietnam had fewer restrictions than Ireland and had three months of success.

While I get that it's pretty much impossible in Ireland, blanket statements saying it doesn't work are stupid.

Less impact on daily life to get to the good part and then months of the good part. How can that not be worth trying in countries that have the option.

New Zealand actually had more stricter restrictions than Ireland.
https://theconversation.com/an-endless-game-of-covid-19-whack-a-mole-a-new-zealand-expert-on-why-melbournes-stage-4-lockdown-should-cover-all-of-victoria-143831
All takeaways were closed, that never happened here.
No one allowed at funerals, that didn't happen here.
All non essential businesses closed, we were a lot more loose on that, they had a strict list of what could open.
They didn't have 3 months of success, they only lifted their last phase on June 8th, so 2 months of sucess.

Wolf359f · 15-08-2020 11:47PM

Spiderman0081 wrote: »

Hello. You just have to fine people. 1 million euros.

Fine who?

15-08-2020 11:47PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

New Zealand actually had more stricter restrictions than Ireland.
https://theconversation.com/an-endless-game-of-covid-19-whack-a-mole-a-new-zealand-expert-on-why-melbournes-stage-4-lockdown-should-cover-all-of-victoria-143831
All takeaways were closed, that never happened here.
No one allowed at funerals, that didn't happen here.
All non essential businesses closed, we were a lot more loose on that, they had a strict list of what could open.
They didn't have 3 months of success, they only lifted their last phase on June 8th, so 2 months of sucess.

Fair enough. Vietnam then.

Deeper Blue · 15-08-2020 11:48PM

thelad95 wrote: »

I think there should have been a hard hard hard lockdown from day one looking back to last March with a view to achieving zero Covid cases. This is something that everyone could have tangibly bought into with a view to eliminating this f*cling thing once and for all.

Despite what all those libertarian types would have you believe, what we had was actually an incredibly soft lockdown. Although there was 2km restrictions these were only loosely imposed by occasional virtue signalling checkpoints, if we were serious about this we should have had the army on the streets along with the Gardaí, regular patrols of high density housing areas, opening an anonymous phone line to report illegal gatherings.

House parties are actually incredibly easy to patrol if the Gardaí just gave a slight toss. Noise disturbances for some reason are always "a civil issue" whenever they're reported, pretty poor policing in all honesty.

In terms of general public buy in, I think the government have dicked about for too long and have lost a lot of goodwill. We were told to flatten the curve, that was done around the start of May. Apparently it wasn't flattened enough.

Since then, there's been complete ambiguity in what the government's ultimate aim is. The dogs on the street knew that when people started moving around, along with reduced case figures that complacency would kick in and those hellish months from March to May would all be for nothing.

Wishy washy nonsense restrictions like "limit gatherings in houses to six people with social distancing" are realistically not going to be followed by anyone are literally legally and practically unenforceable by anyone.

All the while, institutions that the government has insisted on keeping open (meat factories and direct provision centres) all this time are the main driver of what's setting this back months. Institutions that have been neglected by government after government for years when they know that they are living breathing sh!t holes with awful conditions for some of the most vulnerable members of our society.

We're realistically only weeks away from a hard national lockdown again and my hole Martin will not gain public buy in as he is and always has been a spoofer.

It's going to be a long long winter and you can truly forget about a Christmas of any sort.

The zero covid stuff is a fantasy, look at New Zealand who everyone has been fawning over and they're back to having cases again.

Also people will celebrate Christmas regardless of covid, it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise.

Pinch Flat · 15-08-2020 11:48PM

NK76 wrote: »

Covid is nothing more than a normal illness...its time to pull all restrictions...open everything and see where we are in a month...if this happens then everyone will have an accurate understanding of whether this is all hype or something to worry about...personally its all hype

Did you do epidemiology at university or just pursue it as a hobby?

What Username Guidelines · 15-08-2020 11:49PM

NK76 wrote: »

Covid is nothing more than a normal illness...its time to pull all restrictions...open everything and see where we are in a month...if this happens then everyone will have an accurate understanding of whether this is all hype or something to worry about...personally its all hype

We’ve had that experiment in Sweden. Conditions would be similar if you opened everything, as in some people will take precautions, continue to work from home, etc, you’ll never get a “control” society where people don’t change their behaviour. So Sweden is trending down and is often written off as a failure due to higher death rate than neighbours and similar results economically.

But, emotions aside, they did not get what everyone was promised - tens of thousands of deaths and overrun healthcare system. Domestically, their economy is doing ok, it’s the fact that the rest of the world shut down which is hurting them and bringing similar levels of damage to exports and tourism.

GooglePlus · 15-08-2020 11:50PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

We’ve had that experiment in Sweden. Conditions would be similar if you opened everything, as in some people will take precautions, continue to work from home, etc, you’ll never get a “control” society where people don’t change their behaviour. So Sweden is trending down and is often written off as a failure due to higher death rate than neighbours and similar results economically.

But, emotions aside, they did not get what everyone was promised - tens of thousands of deaths and overrun healthcare system. Domestically, their economy is doing ok, it’s the fact that the rest of the world shut down which is hurting them and bringing similar levels of damage to exports and tourism.

Sweden's approach was far more cautious than this lunatics would be.

Wolf359f · 15-08-2020 11:51PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair enough. Vietnam then.

Why not follow Papua New Guinea?
Larger population, but an island and shares a land border.
Far lower cases and deaths than NZ.
Why does NZ get heralded for success when other countries have handled it better?

15-08-2020 11:51PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Apparently disease doesn't come in under their remit. It was on this thread a few days ago. If an establishment was lacking fire exits for example, that would come in under their remit. But disease and social distancing is not under their remit.

Hmm interesting, other health and safety aspects around it might possibly be under their remit, but will need to check it up. Apart from that get people to contact their tds to demand for one to be set up and a particular existing authority responsible for enforcement.

owlbethere · 15-08-2020 11:53PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Sure anything on YouTube isn't science :rolleyes: , have you ever considered that certain experts aren't being given airtime on the traditional media because their opinions go against the narrative that is being pushed at the moment.

Case and point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBRcK-od50Q

The man being interviewed is a professor in immunology or is that not considered "science" anymore because it's on YouTube :rolleyes:.

https://www.pubfacts.com/author/Beda+M+Stadler

That's a list of some of his publications.

Can you tell me why this expert and many others are being ignored by traditional media?

I watched some of this video but not all of it. Your man said something like a lot of people already have immunity to this etc.

The reporter showed a graph and said something like so the virus has ran its course, ran through the population and not that's why we see the line is flattened.

I stopped right there.

The line was flattened because there was a lockdown to slow the spread of the virus. That's all.

thelad95 · 15-08-2020 11:55PM

NK76 wrote: »

Covid is nothing more than a normal illness...its time to pull all restrictions...open everything and see where we are in a month...if this happens then everyone will have an accurate understanding of whether this is all hype or something to worry about...personally its all hype

Utter nonsense, this is like something you would read here back in February when people still hadn't realized the reality of what we're facing.

What scientific basis are you basing your assumption (which you would base your opening of the whole country again on) that Covid is nothing more than a "normal illness" ?

So you'd happily conduct a biological experiment and see "where things stand?" in a month or two? We've already had nursing homes getting pillaged in the space of a few weeks with multiple deaths from this, we're teetering on the edge of that happening again whether you like it or not.

It concerns me deeply that there is people with viewpoints like this still, I can guarantee you're also the one person that doesn't bother wearing a mask while everyone else wears one to protect you even though you're too selfish to protect them.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 11:56PM

I see Dame Lane is making itself known again.....

What Username Guidelines · 15-08-2020 11:57PM

Just got a hint of what life will be like come September. Meant to be bringing my daughter to the park to meet a friend and his daughter for picnic/playdate.

He’s just texted to say a kid in his daughters pod in crèche had the sniffles last week and GP is handing out test referrals like lollipops. Got tested on Wednesday but no results yet and crèche have advised all kids in the pod to stay at home until results come back.

Class.

Arghus · 15-08-2020 11:57PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

We’ve had that experiment in Sweden. Conditions would be similar if you opened everything, as in some people will take precautions, continue to work from home, etc, you’ll never get a “control” society where people don’t change their behaviour. So Sweden is trending down and is often written off as a failure due to higher death rate than neighbours and similar results economically.

But, emotions aside, they did not get what everyone was promised - tens of thousands of deaths and overrun healthcare system. Domestically, their economy is doing ok, it’s the fact that the rest of the world shut down which is hurting them and bringing similar levels of damage to exports and tourism.

Those predictions of tens of thousands of deaths were based on the assumption of no restrictions at all. Which is an approach literally no country on earth has taken. Even Sweden took plenty of measures in their own right.

Sweden definitely had some prior conditions that work in it's favour. Extraordinary high percentage of single person dwellings compared to other countries, a more non "touchy-feely" type of culture compared to others like Southern Europe and even ourselves.

KrustyUCC · 15-08-2020 11:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reminder the electoral map has been updated, check your towns for new cases

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

No new cases in my area and its neighbouring towns compared to the last version of the map

4 in my town over 2 months which is exceptional for the population

gmisk · 16-08-2020 12:00AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I see Dame Lane is making itself known again.....

Dame lane? Have people been out drinking in big numbers again there?
do you mean the berlin video?...that bar has always been a kip...

ACitizenErased · 16-08-2020 12:00AM

Ah lads. There’s stupidity then there’s this.
Dame Lane.

https://twitter.com/noelrock/status/1294768121190940675?s=21

Goldengirl · 16-08-2020 12:01AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Having taught in a classroom with everyone wearing masks, I can safely tell you air filtration and ventilation are largely irrelevant. By lunchtime of the first day, rules break down and while there is some semblance of added safety, if a kid has it, it's likely to spread.

They'll still share bottles of water. They'll be horsing around as usual by the second day. They'll pull down their masks to shout at someone across the room. The teacher will end up doing the same. It can't and will never work the way adults think it might.

The approach will quickly change to reducing mingling between students in different classes imo. That's what happened where I am. Classes were fed in their rooms. Buses were added. School start and finish were staggered to reduce mingling on the way in and out. Multiple temperature checks a day.

I have to say I really do feel for teachers with this on the horizon.
Almost as much as I feel for myself heading back to work in a busy hospital in a fortnight .

I read posts talking about " no deaths yet " and " low hospital numbers " in relation to rising cases and really I don't understand why seemingly intelligent people don't get the reason for increasing restrictions again .

We have rising numbers , asymptomatic or not can spread the virus , leading to increased community transmission .
If that is left unrestricted and uncontrolled we will have cases popping up everywhere and increasing sick patient numbers in hospital a number of whom will die.
I hope that is not going to happen as we now have a system in place , which ACitizen called " reactionary ."
But that is the point to react to rising case numbers .
What's the alternative ..do nothing and go back to March ?
Because that is what will happen .

fritzelly · 16-08-2020 12:02AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ah lads. There’s stupidity then there’s this.
Dame Lane.

https://twitter.com/noelrock/status/1294768121190940675?s=21

Queue that bar not getting another licence...or maybe

JP Liz V1 · 16-08-2020 12:03AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I see Dame Lane is making itself known again.....

I'd say some "food pubs" just don't care anymore

Non food pubs want #supportnotsympathy (trending tonight)

smellyoldboot · 16-08-2020 12:03AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Why not follow Papua New Guinea?
Larger population, but an island and shares a land border.
Far lower cases and deaths than NZ.
Why does NZ get heralded for success when other countries have handled it better?

It's trendy. Female PM. The amount of absolute drivel I see posted in LinkedIn daily about her is unreal. Can't stick her tbh but that's the main reason.

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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