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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭Rambling Man


    owlbethere wrote: »
    This would go a long way into helping us get through this for sure. Like if the community transmissions is occurring near the clusters or if they are cropping up elsewhere around the country.

    I can see the need for that and I agree. Conversely the health authorities may feel that it would lead to complacency - if people saw little CT in their area they would get sloppy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Reminder the electoral map has been updated, check your towns for new cases

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

    No new cases in my area and its neighbouring towns compared to the last version of the map

    Is the last version of the map still available online?

    I see already answered, ta.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    So 200 odd cases today, are we still doing well or what?

    I remember a certain positive spinner on this thread telling me I was mad predicting 100+ cases countrywide only less than a month ago.

    That busy regurgitating someone else's statistical work that they've forgotten how this virus works and through their own positive blindness, they've misinformed numbers of others on this thread.

    We'll be at 400-500 very soon and they'll still be preaching the same ****e.

    You're buying into the casedemic hysteria, how many deaths has there been over the last 4 weeks? 12

    How many people are in ICUs less than 10.

    But, keep spreading panic and fear it's no longer a pandemic it's now a casedemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,183 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    He was the chairman of Failte Ireland. not a politician. research your rage.

    The main tourism body in Ireland promoting staycation but the head of it vacates in Italy, I know now Cawley has resigned, but does he still get a big payout benefits pension etc., ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,140 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The_Brood wrote: »
    Same upper class ilk.

    So it's his class, social standing or wealth that offend you, rather than his actions?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,183 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    You can refer to me by my name and not spinner, cheers.

    King ACE ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    I think there should have been a hard hard hard lockdown from day one looking back to last March with a view to achieving zero Covid cases. This is something that everyone could have tangibly bought into with a view to eliminating this f*cling thing once and for all.

    Despite what all those libertarian types would have you believe, what we had was actually an incredibly soft lockdown. Although there was 2km restrictions these were only loosely imposed by occasional virtue signalling checkpoints, if we were serious about this we should have had the army on the streets along with the Gardaí, regular patrols of high density housing areas, opening an anonymous phone line to report illegal gatherings.

    House parties are actually incredibly easy to patrol if the Gardaí just gave a slight toss. Noise disturbances for some reason are always "a civil issue" whenever they're reported, pretty poor policing in all honesty.

    In terms of general public buy in, I think the government have dicked about for too long and have lost a lot of goodwill. We were told to flatten the curve, that was done around the start of May. Apparently it wasn't flattened enough.

    Since then, there's been complete ambiguity in what the government's ultimate aim is. The dogs on the street knew that when people started moving around, along with reduced case figures that complacency would kick in and those hellish months from March to May would all be for nothing.

    Wishy washy nonsense restrictions like "limit gatherings in houses to six people with social distancing" are realistically not going to be followed by anyone are literally legally and practically unenforceable by anyone.

    All the while, institutions that the government has insisted on keeping open (meat factories and direct provision centres) all this time are the main driver of what's setting this back months. Institutions that have been neglected by government after government for years when they know that they are living breathing sh!t holes with awful conditions for some of the most vulnerable members of our society.

    We're realistically only weeks away from a hard national lockdown again and my hole Martin will not gain public buy in as he is and always has been a spoofer.

    It's going to be a long long winter and you can truly forget about a Christmas of any sort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    The main tourism body in Ireland promoting staycation but the head of it vacates in Italy, I know now Cawley has resigned, but does he still get a big payout benefits pension etc., ?

    He was absolutely wrong and had to resign. idiotic decision to go on holidays to Italy.

    My point was that he was not voted in to office.

    When i see this blind lashing out at politicians or whoever without any thought behind it, I have to roll my eyes. it's idiotic in itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Longing wrote: »
    Personal responsibility is out the window. Today I had to travel through 4 counties two of which were in the North and two in the south. I stopped in one county north and south in a supermarket. In Co Down everybody was wearing a mask but more to the point the were always trying to abide by the two meter rule.



    Called into a supermarket in Co Monaghan. My God! Night and day difference I fcuk you not. My wife is easy going women. But in this supermarket we were the only one's wearing a mask the two meter rule was like 2 inch's. It was like the twilight zone a different dimension like they virus didn't exist. After 5 mins my wife was so angry she walked out.


    Unless they people in power in this country start putting money were there mouth is concerning social adherence well we are up sh*te creek.


    Community transmissions numbers today should ring alarm bells load and clear in government buildings. Don't take me up wrong not saying we should lockdown the country, But there needs to be a firm action taking for places like I was today.

    Sorry but I’m calling bull****e on all of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,238 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    thelad95 wrote: »
    I think there should have been a hard hard hard lockdown from day one looking back to last March with a view to achieving zero Covid cases. This is something that everyone could have tangibly bought into with a view to eliminating this f*cling thing once and for all.

    Despite what all those libertarian types would have you believe, what we had was actually an incredibly soft lockdown. Although there was 2km restrictions these were only loosely imposed by occasional virtue signalling checkpoints, if we were serious about this we should have had the army on the streets along with the Gardaí, regular patrols of high density housing areas, opening an anonymous phone line to report illegal gatherings.

    House parties are actually incredibly easy to patrol if the Gardaí just gave a slight toss. Noise disturbances for some reason are always "a civil issue" whenever they're reported, pretty poor policing in all honesty.

    In terms of general public buy in, I think the government have dicked about for too long and have lost a lot of goodwill. We were told to flatten the curve, that was done around the start of May. Apparently it wasn't flattened enough.

    Since then, there's been complete ambiguity in what the government's ultimate aim is. The dogs on the street knew that when people started moving around, along with reduced case figures that complacency would kick in and those hellish months from March to May would all be for nothing.

    Wishy washy nonsense restrictions like "limit gatherings in houses to six people with social distancing" are realistically not going to be followed by anyone are literally legally and practically unenforceable by anyone.

    All the while, institutions that the government has insisted on keeping open (meat factories and direct provision centres) all this time are the main driver of what's setting this back months. Institutions that have been neglected by government after government for years when they know that they are living breathing sh!t holes with awful conditions for some of the most vulnerable members of our society.

    We're realistically only weeks away from a hard national lockdown again and my hole Martin will not gain public buy in as he is and always has been a spoofer.

    It's going to be a long long winter and you can truly forget about a Christmas of any sort.

    New Zealand can't keep it out so how do you expect Ireland to remain covid free?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    This whole covid zero is fairytale stuff


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    I can see the need for that and I agree. Conversely the health authorities may feel that it would lead to complacency - if people saw little CT in their area they would get sloppy.

    That is probably very true. Or if it shows community transmissions is happening mainly around cluster hotspots, people will become somewhat relaxed if there's no know clusters or hotspot in their area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Reminder the electoral map has been updated, check your towns for new cases

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

    No new cases in my area and its neighbouring towns compared to the last version of the map

    Well spotted, I’d been checking it here and there but gave up recently assuming it was a one time thing.

    I remember thinking you could note each area and compare when the map gets updated, jokingly because I assumed it would be update far more frequently.

    Did anyone take note of anything in particular?

    I know Lucan north was one of the bigger ones in Dublin with about 9% in June, it’s pretty much the exact same.

    My own area in Dublin has gone up 3 cases in 2 months, and that’s in Dublin 24 which apparently has high enough numbers overall. Total is 0.6% infected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    You're buying into the casedemic hysteria, how many deaths has there been over the last 4 weeks? 12

    How many people are in ICUs less than 10.

    But, keep spreading panic and fear it's no longer a pandemic it's now a casedemic.

    We're testing far more than earlier in the year, so we're seeing large numbers but only because we're capturing much more.

    With that in mind, it isn't near as prominent in the community as it was when we had the same amount of cases back then. So, we're really only in January or potentially earlier, if you're looking back that way.

    So, comparing death rates to when we had these cases numbers previously doesn't help as we're testing way more, so it's no comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Some stats I didn't notice posted here (but I didn't read today's posts very carefully, so apologies if I'm repeating stuff), thought it was pretty interesting.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-200-new-cases-reported-in-largest-daily-total-since-may-1.4331414
    There are currently 308 vacant general beds, excluding critical care beds, across the hospital system. Some 33 adult critical care beds are available, in addition to six paediatric beds and 15 critical care beds in the private system.

    A total of 284 critical care beds are occupied, including eight occupied by Covid-19 patients. A further nine patients with suspected cases of Covid-19 are in critical care beds. Five confirmed cases are ventilated, as well as three suspected cases.

    So very few Covid-19 patients in hospitals, as we know, but ICUs seem to be pretty full with other patients. I guess they can still increase the number of beds should it become an issue.
    The latest data on contact tracing shows the average time taken from referral for a test to obtaining a lab result is two days. This is a slight increase on the same day last week, when the process was being completed in 1.8 days.

    The average time to complete contact tracing calls is 1.8 days, an increase on last week’s figure of 1.2 days.

    Contact tracing slowing down as there's more pressure on the system, but it doesn't sound too bad yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,624 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Paddygreen is back, I enjoy his posts!

    Life is way too short not to appreciate humour


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,822 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    You're buying into the casedemic hysteria, how many deaths has there been over the last 4 weeks? 12

    How many people are in ICUs less than 10.

    But, keep spreading panic and fear it's no longer a pandemic it's now a casedemic.

    It’s not all about deaths as in stats, it’s about preventing the spread and it’s still a pandemic, casedemic is just a made up term used by the covid deniers on social media. No such thing, never has been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    This whole covid zero is fairytale stuff

    Exactly. New Zealand as an example. It’s not going away until there’s a vaccine/treatment or herd immunity.
    The zero Covid Sesame Street characters all have state pensions/pay


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    thelad95 wrote: »
    I think there should have been a hard hard hard lockdown from day one looking back to last March with a view to achieving zero Covid cases. This is something that everyone could have tangibly bought into with a view to eliminating this f*cling thing once and for all.

    Despite what all those libertarian types would have you believe, what we had was actually an incredibly soft lockdown. Although there was 2km restrictions these were only loosely imposed by occasional virtue signalling checkpoints, if we were serious about this we should have had the army on the streets along with the Gardaí, regular patrols of high density housing areas, opening an anonymous phone line to report illegal gatherings.

    House parties are actually incredibly easy to patrol if the Gardaí just gave a slight toss. Noise disturbances for some reason are always "a civil issue" whenever they're reported, pretty poor policing in all honesty.

    In terms of general public buy in, I think the government have dicked about for too long and have lost a lot of goodwill. We were told to flatten the curve, that was done around the start of May. Apparently it wasn't flattened enough.

    Since then, there's been complete ambiguity in what the government's ultimate aim is. The dogs on the street knew that when people started moving around, along with reduced case figures that complacency would kick in and those hellish months from March to May would all be for nothing.

    Wishy washy nonsense restrictions like "limit gatherings in houses to six people with social distancing" are realistically not going to be followed by anyone are literally legally and practically unenforceable by anyone.

    All the while, institutions that the government has insisted on keeping open (meat factories and direct provision centres) all this time are the main driver of what's setting this back months. Institutions that have been neglected by government after government for years when they know that they are living breathing sh!t holes with awful conditions for some of the most vulnerable members of our society.

    We're realistically only weeks away from a hard national lockdown again and my hole Martin will not gain public buy in as he is and always has been a spoofer.

    It's going to be a long long winter and you can truly forget about a Christmas of any sort.

    This is a disappointing read but sadly and I fear you are probably right. Cases are rising. Community transmissions are rising. Complacency has set in. It will all lead to a big mess in the end. Coupled with pubs and schools opening, we will be seeing a lockdown come October.

    I don't get why there wasn't a hotline set up to report employers breaking the guidelines on social distancing. Some employers can be massive cu*ts and d1ckheads and would gladly throw their employees under the bus. There should have been a hotline set up for reporting employers and establishments breaking the guidelines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,183 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    He was absolutely wrong and had to resign. idiotic decision to go on holidays to Italy.

    My point was that he was not voted in to office.

    When i see this blind lashing out at politicians or whoever without any thought behind it, I have to roll my eyes. it's idiotic in itself.

    True not voted in by the Irish people and yes idiotic decision given his "job role"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭Longing


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Sorry but I’m calling bull****e on all of this.


    Bullsh*t in what way. I'm 47 years on this planet so I don't really care if you believe me or not. The only way i can make you see what it was like PM me I will tell you what store and town to see it for yourself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,822 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    This whole covid zero is fairytale stuff

    True until a vaccine. However the whole “learn to live with it brigade” are very much satisfied to have every kind of restrictions lifted immediately so that corporations and business can thrive, this at the same time ordinary people are focused on ‘survive’...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    thelad95 wrote: »
    I think there should have been a hard hard hard lockdown from day one looking back to last March with a view to achieving zero Covid cases. This is something that everyone could have tangibly bought into with a view to eliminating this f*cling thing once and for all.

    Despite what all those libertarian types would have you believe, what we had was actually an incredibly soft lockdown. Although there was 2km restrictions these were only loosely imposed by occasional virtue signalling checkpoints, if we were serious about this we should have had the army on the streets along with the Gardaí, regular patrols of high density housing areas, opening an anonymous phone line to report illegal gatherings.

    House parties are actually incredibly easy to patrol if the Gardaí just gave a slight toss. Noise disturbances for some reason are always "a civil issue" whenever they're reported, pretty poor policing in all honesty.

    In terms of general public buy in, I think the government have dicked about for too long and have lost a lot of goodwill. We were told to flatten the curve, that was done around the start of May. Apparently it wasn't flattened enough.

    Since then, there's been complete ambiguity in what the government's ultimate aim is. The dogs on the street knew that when people started moving around, along with reduced case figures that complacency would kick in and those hellish months from March to May would all be for nothing.

    Wishy washy nonsense restrictions like "limit gatherings in houses to six people with social distancing" are realistically not going to be followed by anyone are literally legally and practically unenforceable by anyone.

    All the while, institutions that the government has insisted on keeping open (meat factories and direct provision centres) all this time are the main driver of what's setting this back months. Institutions that have been neglected by government after government for years when they know that they are living breathing sh!t holes with awful conditions for some of the most vulnerable members of our society.

    We're realistically only weeks away from a hard national lockdown again and my hole Martin will not gain public buy in as he is and always has been a spoofer.

    It's going to be a long long winter and you can truly forget about a Christmas of any sort.
    Looks like someone needs a hug.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    I believe America tried that years ago and failed miserably. Somehow I don't think we would be successful when a country with vast resources couldn't.

    When are you going on hols to Italy (with one or other of your 'wives')?

    If it's Tuscany, you might bump into the Fáilte Ireland chairman :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    owlbethere wrote: »
    This is a disappointing read but sadly and I fear you are probably right. Cases are rising. Community transmissions are rising. Complacency has set in. It will all lead to a big mess in the end. Coupled with pubs and schools opening, we will be seeing a lockdown come October.

    I don't get why there wasn't a hotline set up to report employers breaking the guidelines on social distancing. Some employers can be massive cu*ts and d1ckheads and would gladly throw their employees under the bus. There should have been a hotline set up for reporting employers and establishments breaking the guidelines.

    What next can we add to the list of arbitrary measures? Don’t go to work, stay at home, physical distancing, stand in this circles, follow this arrow, wear a mask and now a hotline for touting on fellow citizens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,822 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    The main tourism body in Ireland promoting staycation but the head of it vacates in Italy, I know now Cawley has resigned, but does he still get a big payout benefits pension etc., ?

    It’s always been an issue in governments in companies and corporations in this country...

    Too many leaders, managers and people in positions of responsibility, prepared to write the rules but when it comes to following them and leading by example they are lacking.

    An old boss I had pissing and moaning about people coming back late from lunch, but at 2.05 he’s out the front door just with a coffee and a fag on the go... if you want to set standards, be the first one to be meeting them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,183 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    This whole covid zero is fairytale stuff

    We need Tony Stark and Bruce Banner to work on a vaccine or someone to huff and puff, blow it out of
    Ireland :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Can you blame them?

    No.
    People were given plenty of chances over the last few months ..we are heading for the wave that was predicted for August and is already in Europe.
    I can't see this not leading to rising numbers in hospital and ICU over the next few weeks .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Strumms wrote: »
    True until a vaccine. However the whole “learn to live with it brigade” are very much satisfied to have every kind of restrictions lifted immediately so that corporations and business can thrive, this at the same time ordinary people are focused on ‘survive’...

    The chances of survival are 98%, even higher if you are under 70 with no pre morbid or CO morbid conditions.

    I’ll take those chances.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    You'd wonder if increasing numbers in Europe will push vaccine firms to speed up a little.


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