Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

seanb85 · 15-08-2020 08:36PM

LiquidZeb wrote: »

All I'm saying is that bull**** predictions regarding covid have come from both sides. I really couldn't give a **** about Neil Ferguson's sex life other than the hypocrisy of it

Your post highlights a massive problem with discussion on this. It isn't about sides and never has been. This is not a political issue. There is no agenda.

PTH2009 · 15-08-2020 08:37PM

Very worrying

Paddygreen · 15-08-2020 08:37PM

Boggles wrote: »

They have it evaluated it. There is no perfect solution, or a solution that does not have negative effects.

The stark reality is and it's something people are failing to grasp or understand, if emergency care collapses especially in this country never mind the long term effects, the short term effects will be catastrophic.

I would go so far as to say cataclysmic,

Paddygreen · 15-08-2020 08:38PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Very worrying

Absolutely, terrifying.

Wild Field 1831 · 15-08-2020 08:39PM

Boggles wrote: »

They have it evaluated it. There is no perfect solution, or a solution that does not have negative effects.

The stark reality is and it's something people are failing to grasp or understand, if emergency care collapses especially in this country never mind the long term effects, the short term effects will be catastrophic.

I understand. Maybe sometimes our hospital figures are so good it has lulled me into a false sense of security.

And they are so good because of the measures undertaken.

Boggles · 15-08-2020 08:39PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

I would go so far as to say cataclysmic,

It could very well be.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 08:39PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

I'm in my mid 40s and if I was in my mid 20s I'd be of the opinion I was invincible. Really physically fit and strong.

However my worry for people in their 20s would be what this virus could do to them. Lung and heart problems. Chronic Fatigue Syndrome can take years off your life. I've had friends bedridden with it. So many unknowns.

If this is the case, and this is a genuine question, why are hospitalisations not moving? Literally no increase despite a 'younger' infected group.

Leftwaffe · 15-08-2020 08:40PM

Paddygreen is back, I enjoy his posts!

Gruffalux · 15-08-2020 08:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

But younger people are just as susceptible, apparently?

I don't think so. Certainly the CFR for young people is much lower than for older. They may catch it as easily but it is genuinely less harmful to them overall. From what I have observed.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 08:40PM

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Paddygreen is back, I enjoy his posts!

he just emanates a positive outlook on life

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 08:41PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

I don't think so. Certainly the CFR for young people is much lower than for older. They may catch it as easily but it is genuinely less harmful to them overall. From what I have observed.

So we don't need to worry about hospitals?

Tork · 15-08-2020 08:43PM

It's them spreading it to their older family members and other vulnerable folk that's the worry.

seanb85 · 15-08-2020 08:45PM

Does anybody know what doctors are prescribing (if anything) to those not in hospital? Corticosteroids or something?

caveat emptor · 15-08-2020 08:45PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

Despite today's awful number 7 average figure is stable. With cases continuing to rise in Dublin and Kildare and community spread increasing not alot of room for optimism

Day Month Date Cases 7 Day
Sunday July 26th 12 17.43
Monday July 27th 11 18.14
Tuesday July 28th 40 18.71
Wednesday July 29th 14 18.29
Thursday July 30th 85 29.43
Friday July 31st 38 32.00
Saturday August 1st 45 35.00
Sunday August 2nd 53 40.86
Monday August 3rd 46 45.86
Tuesday August 4th 45 46.57
Wednesday August 5th 50 51.71
Thursday August 6th 69 49.43
Friday August 7th 98 58.00
Saturday August 8th 174 76.43
Sunday August 9th 68 78.57
Monday August 10th 57 80.14
Tuesday August 11th 35 78.71
Wednesday August 12th 40 77.29
Thursday August 13th 92 80.57
Friday August 14th 67 76.14
Saturday August 15th 200 79.86

Thanks for sharing.

Why is it that the last two Saturdays have had massive increases?
This is statistically very unlikely if testing and reporting consistent.

Is it because the virus was having a lie in and the early bird test missed it?
Very confusing.

https://twitter.com/DerekTVShow/status/1294677313133654016?s=20

Boggles · 15-08-2020 08:46PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

I understand. Maybe sometimes our hospital figures are so good it has lulled me into a false sense of security.

And they are so good because of the measures undertaken.

Exactly.

Wild Field 1831 · 15-08-2020 08:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

If this is the case, and this is a genuine question, why are hospitalisations not moving? Literally no increase despite a 'younger' infected group.

You can be very sick, as in not have the energy to shave yourself, and not be in hospital.

I'd imagine it's a small minority have lingering problems. But as case numbers rise it could be a significant number.

In the US a lot of older people must still be getting the virus. Average 1,300 deaths and the April figure was around 2,200.

MickeyLeari · 15-08-2020 08:47PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Pretty sure they use March as the date for us. It did come up a few times and the CMO used that date.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0311/1121526-harris-covid-19/

Indeed - but to say otherwise would support the view that public health doctors were doing their job before then.

When people who took the flu vaccine had a viral infection were tests done to figure out what it was? No. That was the case for many in November and December. Ireland was not alone on this but they will need to up their game in future.

Gruffalux · 15-08-2020 08:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

So we don't need to worry about hospitals?

Not now, no. I have already said a few weeks ago Im not overly concerned now. We have low numbers, maybe a tenth or much less than when it was bad. And the older more vulnerable people are in effect maintaining some level of cocooning. Test and trace is moderately good and elastic. There is just much less virus about, and much more preparedness.
It can change however. So I am in observing mode rather than dismissal mode.
Right now I see it as a stone skipped along the bottom of a graph. Maybe we can keep control. Maybe we can not. I don't know the future. But we have been reasonably grown up dealing with this as a country, which is good.

caveat emptor · 15-08-2020 08:54PM

Wild Field 1831 wrote: »

That's the problem with experts and I suppose most of us..we think we know it all!! Now and again we're given reminders that no matter how great our intellect, we're not infallible.

Yeah we can all get so many things so wrong and there is no way to know what to do. I would hazard a guess that schools will propagate the next wave in an exponential fashion. I'm no expert but I do like to play spot the difference.

https://twitter.com/EqualPayforNQTs/status/1294685503527288832?s=20

timsey tiger · 15-08-2020 08:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Which clearly assumes there is behaviour that needs modifying. Giving details to "you lot in Ballybay" is really not good public health practice and is condoning that blame game so many seem to favour.

Of course there is, if I know there are no cases in my town, my behavour will be different than if I know that there were 20 in the last week. I'm not blaming myself for my behavour.

timsey tiger · 15-08-2020 08:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Which clearly assumes there is behaviour that needs modifying. Giving details to "you lot in Ballybay" is really not good public health practice and is condoning that blame game so many seem to favour.

Of course there is, if I know there are no cases in my town, my behavour will be different than if I know that there were 20 in the last week. I'm not blaming myself for my behavour.

Deeper Blue · 15-08-2020 08:58PM

Does anyone know how many deaths there's been since the start of June? Not including the 9 cases that happened in April and were announced a few weeks back.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 08:58PM

Reminder the electoral map has been updated, check your towns for new cases

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

No new cases in my area and its neighbouring towns compared to the last version of the map

spookwoman · 15-08-2020 09:02PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Does anyone know how many deaths there's been since the start of June? Not including the 9 cases that happened in April and were announced a few weeks back.

150 if you remove the 9. Don't know when the deaths for the denotifications happened

wadacrack · 15-08-2020 09:02PM

Good read, important to remember why restrictions are in place. Theories about T cells and cross immunity have no evidence as of yet and are highly unlikely to be in anyway true. The alternative of letting this virus transmit freely will not end well.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-11/san-quentin-coronavirus-herd-immunity-covid-19

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 09:09PM

New study regarding the transmission from children to other members of household.
It finds that the likelihood of transmission from a child to another household member is 1 in 200, or 0.5%.
https://adc.bmj.com/content/early/2020/08/06/archdischild-2020-319910

stephenjmcd · 15-08-2020 09:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Reminder the electoral map has been updated, check your towns for new cases

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

No new cases in my area and its neighbouring towns compared to the last version of the map

Might be a stupid question is there a previous version available?

Never took note of cases in my area before, only just looked at it so can't tell if there's more now

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 09:18PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Might be a stupid question is there a previous version available?

Never took note of cases in my area before, only just looked at it so can't tell if there's more now

There is not - I took note of my area

stephenjmcd · 15-08-2020 09:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There is not - I took note of my area

Yeah I was wondering alright.

Looking at it I dont think the numbers are much different in my area

stevek93 · 15-08-2020 09:21PM

Mass gathering out the neighbours back garden tonight music blaring.. If one of them have the virus they are all fecked

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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