Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

1641 wrote: »

I dunno if it has been already linked but there is an interesting article in today's IT about the ooutbreak at O'Briens Foods in Timahoe. Well worth a read.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/inside-the-o-brien-fine-foods-factory-in-lockdown-kildare-1.4330267

Fúcking Hell. If Carlsberg did PR Puff pieces.

Sounds like a better place to work than Google.

screamer wrote: »

If we could categorically state that then it would be positive. But, like so much with covid we simply don’t know. We don’t know the age demographic affected in that factory, we don’t know their general state of health etc. The other huge unknown with covid is, why one person can catch it without even knowing and another can end up on a ventilator or even dead. It’s too much of an unknown to say this is positive at all to be very honest

What about this business of 'viral load'? As in, medical staff who contract covid often get a very bad dose because they get a 'heavy load'; could whatever way the infections were contracted at O'Briens be the opposite, like picking it up in the air mean they only get a very mild case?

FullOf..IT wrote: »

Not sure if right thread but how long should we be waiting for contract tracing team to contact us? Little lads doctor rang us at 9am yesterday morning to confirm positive result?

Sorry to hear that. If you’re sick of waiting you can ring HSE Live and they can get the contact tracing team to ring you as fast as possible.
What county are you in if ya don’t mind me asking?

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Would you not help them out and start getting in touch with those you've been in contact with?

Already done that, working off 48hrs since symptoms developed. Have been in contact with doctor who has got us all tested in meantime. My oldest hasnt as hes with different doctor and isnt showing symptoms so she said wait till Contact Team engage us. Just wondering on lead times so can close the loop

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I wouldn’t say positive development, rather an interesting development.

I would not only say its a positive development. I would say its yet another indicator of the shortcomings of our approach to this.

It is still a possibility four/five months into this that the actual rate of which the population had been exposed to this virus is vastly underestimated.

Potentially skewing the estimated percentages of hospitalisation and ICU and ultimately IFR massively.

Its the single most important piece of information there is. And there has simply not been a serious enough attempt of getting to that information.

We're still fumbling around in the dark. Potentially ignoring the most important piece of the problem.

Which leads me to the part of this struggle against COVID that really annoys me the most.

For all the brightest heads within our society and all the resources we throw at this it's still very amateurish in a number of key aspects. Let it be the evidence on spread and infection and prevention, let it be the single most important piece of this problem. There are not serious enough attempts to get all the core information on the problem together. Amateurish. Unscientific.

Which is not me claiming that this virus has gone through our population already and we're all just panicking over nothing. But its me claiming the possibility of that is still there and we just don't fkn know. 5 months into this. Its unbelievable really.

sonic85 wrote: »

I just want to ask a question - hopefully some of the better informed people here can answer it because I dont know anything about how this virus is being fought.

If you get tested for the virus and it comes back positive but you are asymptomatic is it a requirement that everyone in your place of work gets tested too or is the fact that you are asymptomatic treated as being less serious and maybe just the people you live with get tested?

It’s treated just like any other positive - all close contacts tested

Thierry12 wrote: »

Exactly :pac:

Do people think only Olympians work in meat factories

It takes one to know one :pac:

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Masks being made compulsory on public transport in Denmark from August 22nd. Bit late, me thinks.

All hail Denmark :pac:

DevilsHaircut wrote: »

O'Brien Fine Foods/Brady's Ham didn't follow the guidelines that applied at the time.

The workers weren't wearing masks.

John O'Brien said 'HSE advice was to wear either visors or masks'.

But it's the HSA and the HPSC who give sector guidance, and the HPSC said on 30 June:

'Ensure that all staff (including DAFM staff and contractors) wear both a mask and a visor (or a mask and goggles where goggles are available) in scenarios where there is a particular problem with physical distancing...If both cannot be worn, surgical masks are recommended above other types of masks on their own, which are preferable to visors on their own.'



https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/inside-the-o-brien-fine-foods-factory-in-lockdown-kildare-1.4330267

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/employersemployeesguidance/Interim%20Guidance%20COVID-19%20Meat%20Factories.pdf

I noticed that while reading the article, why didn't the reporter

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I would not only say its a positive development. I would say its yet another indicator of the shortcomings of our approach to this.

It is still a possibility four/five months into this that the actual rate of which the population had been exposed to this virus is vastly underestimated.

Potentially skewing the estimated percentages of hospitalisation and ICU and ultimately IFR massively.

Its the single most important piece of information there is. And there has simply not been a serious enough attempt of getting to that information.

We're still fumbling around in the dark. Potentially ignoring the most important piece of the problem.

Which leads me to the part of this struggle against COVID that really annoys me the most.

For all the brightest heads within our society and all the resources we throw at this it's still very amateurish in a number of key aspects. Let it be the evidence on spread and infection and prevention, let it be the single most important piece of this problem. There are not serious enough attempts to get all the core information on the problem together. Amateurish. Unscientific.

Which is not me claiming that this virus has gone through our population already and we're all just panicking over nothing. But its me claiming the possibility of that is still there and we just don't fkn know. 5 months into this. Its unbelievable really.

Clinical specialists dealing with a field problem.
The vast majority are out of their depth and there isn't any voices inside the likes of nphet who do have the sort of relevant background needed to understand what is going on.

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Clinical specialists dealing with a field problem.
The vast majority are out of their depth and there isn't any voices inside the likes of nphet who do have the sort of relevant background needed to understand what is going on.

What countries have done well with this, do you reckon? What have they found?

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24 hours: 10,653
Tests conducted last 7 days: 46,912
Additional positive tests: 122
Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.2% (-0.2%)

Wow plus there's 70 from yesterday. Looks like we've lost control of this!