Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Boggles · 15-08-2020 01:01PM

Drumpot wrote: »

Under reporting of deaths? It’s possible I suppose, I think back to Scandinavian countries a bit here, has there been definitive data researched on why for example Ireland did so much worse then Finland and Norway?

Finland and Norway protected the care homes, Sweden for instance didn't, we weren't great either.

Norway and to a lesser extent Finland are true welfare states.

As in the welfare of the citizen is paramount.

As for getting in and out of hot baths, I would file that under complete and utter nonsense.

iguana · 15-08-2020 01:07PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I think obesity/diet is a huge factor with this virus tbh. Its not hitting athletes hard at all and many teams/leagues have had high infection rates. They obviously have players from many different ethnic backgrounds

There are a number of athletes with "long Covid." I was super fit before I got sick (with a Covid like illness) in March and suffered a lot of post-viral issues. Pleurisy in one lung, costochondritis, esophagitis, very mild myocarditis. I mainly put it down to exercising too soon after I recovered from the initial virus. I still have a little costochondritis and persistent oral thrush, the latter due to lowered immune system and the PPI medication I was on for the esophagitis. I think it's pretty important for people to take time out and rest for a week or two after they feel fully recovered as post-viral issues do seem pretty common with people who have had Covid/suspected Covid.

Thierry12 · 15-08-2020 01:08PM

1641 wrote: »

I dunno if it has been already linked but there is an interesting article in today's IT about the ooutbreak at O'Briens Foods in Timahoe. Well worth a read.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/inside-the-o-brien-fine-foods-factory-in-lockdown-kildare-1.4330267

"On Tuesday, August 4th, 243 employees were tested at the plant. Of those, the HSE agreed to test the 70 or so people on A’s immediate shift. A further 170 were tested by a private company, Code Blue, paid for by O’Briens.

On the morning of Wednesday, August 5th, everyone passed through the temperature scanner as normal. Nobody had a temperature. And then, “on Wednesday lunchtime, we got a call from Code Blue to say… your numbers are not good.”

Out of 170 tests, there were 45 positives. O’Brien was stunned. The results from the shift tested by the HSE came that evening, bring the total number of positives to 80. "

Good read alright

Only 3 out of the 86 infected had symptoms

That's mental

Workers thought it was a conspiracy they felt so good.

Thierry12 · 15-08-2020 01:11PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

The drug manufacturing industry love obesity and unhealthy diets.

You've high blood pressure? Take blood pressure pills

You're fat? Take some weight loss pills

You've diabetes? Take some of these pills etc

They're certainly not advertising good health can lessen the effects

Yep

Watching some of the EU channels national networks are comical

On the Polish channels every 2nd advert is medicine

You'd think nothing but sick people there or something

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:12PM

“So far, only three of the 86 employees who tested positive have shown any symptoms at all.“

Christ.

FintanMcluskey · 15-08-2020 01:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“So far, only three of the 86 employees who tested positive have shown any symptoms at all.“

Christ.

Can that not be interpreted as a positive development?

This is not dangerous to those healthy enough to attend work, which is excellent news.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:18PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can that not be interpreted as a positive development?

This is not dangerous to those healthy enough to attend work, which is excellent news.

I wouldn’t say positive development, rather an interesting development.

Drumpot · 15-08-2020 01:19PM

Boggles wrote: »

Finland and Norway protected the care homes, Sweden for instance didn't, we weren't great either.

Norway and to a lesser extent Finland are true welfare states.

As in the welfare of the citizen is paramount.

As for getting in and out of hot baths, I would file that under complete and utter nonsense.

I can’t argue the relevance of the hot/cold baths, Im just relaying what somebody more informed (The founder of medcram) then me discussed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRwnhfWXxo

This guy is not a quack and he’s not a sensationalist. He said on one of his more recent videos he’s following the finish bath strategy so he thinks there is some merit to it.

He argues quite medical reasons for its benefits , it’s in the video for you to dissect if you want. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m saying I don’t have the knowledge to argue with him.

polesheep · 15-08-2020 01:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This seems to becoming more and more clear, immunity is sustained.

Right from the beginning immunologists have stated that the norm is for immunity to be sustained. I find it strange that immunologists have largely been left out of the loop. The focus has been on the words of epidemiologists, virologists and medical doctors. In other words how do we stop this from spreading and how do we treat patients. Anything I have read from immunologists over the past few months has pointed towards what is now beginning to be discussed. i.e. the vast majority of the population are capable of dealing with Covid-19 themselves without much, if any, discomfort.

Oranage2 · 15-08-2020 01:21PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can that not be interpreted as a positive development?

This is not dangerous to those healthy enough to attend work, which is excellent news.

Positive if you're young and healthy.

Even scarier if you take care of or have a health condition or are above a certain age

polesheep · 15-08-2020 01:24PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Positive if you're young and healthy.

Even scarier if you take care of or have a health condition or are above a certain age

Not necessarily. If it's a case that the virus is having less of an effect now on those infected, then it's all positive.

Paddygreen · 15-08-2020 01:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

Finland and Norway protected the care homes, Sweden for instance didn't, we weren't great either.

Norway and to a lesser extent Finland are true welfare states.

As in the welfare of the citizen is paramount.

As for getting in and out of hot baths, I would file that under complete and utter nonsense.

In light of the nature of this emergency and how fast it cut swaths through the land I think it is fair to say that our leaders acted with as much haste as possible in unprecedented circumstances. The care homes here were relatively grand given the chaos unleashed by the horrific virus, don’t worry about that at all . If it wasn’t for people like Simon Harris grafting hard at the coal face of the catastrophe a lot of us wouldn’t be here today. Given the gravity of the situation I think the main priority should be holding firm going forward.

Stheno · 15-08-2020 01:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“So far, only three of the 86 employees who tested positive have shown any symptoms at all.“

Christ.

So 3.4% who tested positive have symptoms and they were tested 2 weeks ago

Would imply massive asymptomatic spread in the wider population unless its a complete outlier

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:27PM

Stheno wrote: »

So 3.4% who tested positive have symptoms and they were tested 2 weeks ago

Would imply massive asymptomatic spread in the wider population unless its a complete outlier

My thoughts exactly. Be interesting to see an age breakdown as there is no doubt some older people working there. If the older people are asymptomatic then we’re seeing a real shift.

15-08-2020 01:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My thoughts exactly. Be interesting to see an age breakdown as there is no doubt some older people working there. If the older people are asymptomatic then we’re seeing a real shift.

I wonder if some symptoms might be overlooked if very mild. "Person A" was sneezing but did not consider himself (?) symtomatic. But, yes, generally very concerning regarding asymtomatic spread.

Drumpot · 15-08-2020 01:33PM

Stheno wrote: »

So 3.4% who tested positive have symptoms and they were tested 2 weeks ago

Would imply massive asymptomatic spread in the wider population unless its a complete outlier

ACitizenErased wrote: »

My thoughts exactly. Be interesting to see an age breakdown as there is no doubt some older people working there. If the older people are asymptomatic then we’re seeing a real shift.

I know this is only a snippet of the overall numbers but how can they be struggling to get a reasonable asymptomatic number ? How do they vary so much from country to country depending on who is working it out?

I know without testing everybody daily you can’t know for sure, but I’ve been seeing suggestions that asymptomatic cases are as low as 5% to now as high as 97%. There are of course mitigating factors but can they explain such a difference in asymptomatic projections?

Is it mutation? Is it that we have simply underestimated the amount infected and thus over estimated how dangerous it is (in terms of mortality)? Maybe lower viral loads from mask wearing but infection spreading more? (People more lax in masks?)

What’s the thoughts?

Stheno · 15-08-2020 01:35PM

1641 wrote: »

I wonder if some symptoms might be overlooked if very mild. "Person A" was sneezing but did not consider himself (?) symtomatic. But, yes, generally very concerning regarding asymtomatic spread.

I would consider it a positive if less than 4% of people in the general population who test positive have symptoms tbh

Implies herd immunity is more achievable than previously thought no?

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:35PM

Drumpot wrote: »

I know this is only a snippet of the overall numbers but how can they be struggling to get a reasonable asymptomatic number ? How do they vary so much from country to country depending on who is working it out?

I know without testing everybody daily you can’t know for sure, but I’ve been seeing suggestions that asymptomatic cases are as low as 5% to now as high as 97%. There are of course mitigating factors but can they explain such a difference in asymptomatic projections?

Is it mutation? Is it that we have simply underestimated the amount infected and thus over estimated how dangerous it is (in terms of mortality)?

What’s the thoughts?

Unfortunately I think it is impossible for people in our position to make a comment on that. I wonder have they been keeping track of symptomatic percentanges since the pandemic started? I doubt it.
One thing's for sure - even with our increased cases for the last 3 weeks we have seen very little hospitalisations.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:37PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Positive if you're young and healthy.

Even scarier if you take care of or have a health condition or are above a certain age

Let's be honest, there has to be some people with underlying conditions or older who got infected in that factory.

Away With The Fairies · 15-08-2020 01:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“So far, only three of the 86 employees who tested positive have shown any symptoms at all.“

Christ.

Some people may see this as positive news but people may still go on to develop symptoms.

What I'm worried about is that the virus is showing up in so many ways. One symptom is lack of oxygen in the blood and not knowing about it. Are people even aware of this, and monitoring their oxygen levels. If people aren't measuring their oxygen, will something like this be put down as asymptomatic?

15-08-2020 01:47PM

Stheno wrote: »

I would consider it a positive if less than 4% of people in the general population who test positive have symptoms tbh

Implies herd immunity is more achievable than previously thought no?

Herd immunity would be great. But the recent ONS survey in England suggests that only about 6% of the population there has had it (to mid-July). That is a long way to go. And how do the more vulnerable fare in the meantime?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40031744.html

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:49PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Some people may see this as positive news but people may still go on to develop symptoms.

What I'm worried about is that the virus is showing up in so many ways. One symptom is lack of oxygen in the blood and not knowing about it. Are people even aware of this, and monitoring their oxygen levels. If people aren't measuring their oxygen, will something like this be put down as asymptomatic?

It's been over two weeks, they would have had symptoms by now, to be fair.

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:49PM

1641 wrote: »

Herd immunity would be great. But the recent ONS survey in England suggests that only about 6% of the population there has had it (to mid-July). That is a long way to go. And how do the more vulnerable fare in the meantime?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40031744.html

That's only antibodies. You can't really just use antibody tests to judge immunity, there's so much more to it.

Oranage2 · 15-08-2020 01:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Let's be honest, there has to be some people with underlying conditions or older who got infected in that factory.

That's true but it's such a small sample size in a very specific setting. We don't really know the age demographic or any variables of the factory's workforce.

Though it's definitely interesting but I'm not getting my hopes up just yet.

Thierry12 · 15-08-2020 01:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Let's be honest, there has to be some people with underlying conditions or older who got infected in that factory.

Exactly :pac:

Do people think only Olympians work in meat factories

ACitizenErased · 15-08-2020 01:54PM

Masks being made compulsory on public transport in Denmark from August 22nd. Bit late, me thinks.

screamer · 15-08-2020 01:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can that not be interpreted as a positive development?

This is not dangerous to those healthy enough to attend work, which is excellent news.

If we could categorically state that then it would be positive. But, like so much with covid we simply don’t know. We don’t know the age demographic affected in that factory, we don’t know their general state of health etc. The other huge unknown with covid is, why one person can catch it without even knowing and another can end up on a ventilator or even dead. It’s too much of an unknown to say this is positive at all to be very honest

GooglePlus · 15-08-2020 02:01PM

wadacrack wrote: »

I think obesity/diet is a huge factor with this virus tbh. Its not hitting athletes hard at all and many teams/leagues have had high infection rates. They obviously have players from many different ethnic backgrounds

You're right but plenty of fat people have had it mild too. Pot luck at times.

Thierry12 · 15-08-2020 02:04PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You're right but plenty of fat people have had it mild too. Pot luck at times.

They should honestly be studying that aspect way more, not bringing out mass vaccination

We still don't have a clue how this virus works and we have a cure in a vaccine.

If that's not ****ed up

Away With The Fairies · 15-08-2020 02:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Masks being made compulsory on public transport in Denmark from August 22nd. Bit late, me thinks.

I don't understand this, giving a date in the future to make masks mandatory? Will the virus hold off for a week?

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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