2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

y0ssar1an22 · 14-08-2020 10:51PM

gmisk wrote: »

you can't see that those 3 examples are racist....come on now.

Who is kamlila?

Kamala Harris

are we reduced to that, spelling someones name incorrectly?

i'm asking you, an example of racism. not a link to an article.

surely if you take a position, you can defend it.

y0ssar1an22 · 14-08-2020 10:53PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

Kamlila????

Have some decency and spell the woman's name correctly at least

i now. shame on me.

Carfacemandog · 14-08-2020 10:54PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

Kamala Harris

are we reduced to that, spelling someones name incorrectly?

i'm asking you, an example of racism. not a link to an article.

surely if you take a position, you can defend it.

You've already been given some but didn't reply.

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Trumps frequent claiming, and both his supporters and fox news etc continued insistence, that non white political opponents are not from America, not eligible to be president, an/or should go back to their own countries with absolutely nothing to support it.

If you can't see that as racism, well...

y0ssar1an22 · 14-08-2020 11:06PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

You've already been given some but didn't reply.

again, can you spell out the racism?

like specifically?

from margin call

from .35s on. pretend i'm the retriever.

Carfacemandog · 14-08-2020 11:17PM

Insisting people are not American based on nothing more than their skin colour is pout blank racist. If you want to continue to defend this, it implies you agree with his assessment.

drunkmonkey · 14-08-2020 11:25PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Insisting people are not American based on nothing more than their skin colour is pout blank racist. If you want to continue to defend this, it implies you agree with his assessment.

We have a severe problem with Racism here, we have never acknowledged it. It is beyond criminal what the state is doing to disadvantaged kids. We are destroying their future day after day in the district court system.
The headline story reads don't do drugs they'll destroy your future, it's not drugs are destroying these kids future it's the criminal justice system.

Tell me how · 14-08-2020 11:26PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

specifically, where is the racism? is joe racist, cos kamlila inferred it? i dunno, what's the standard here?

'There's none so blind as those that will not see'.

what is specific racism for you? A signed declaration by someone that their views conform to the textbook definition of racism?

You seem to believe that unless someone uses a racial term, it isn't actually racism.

sydthebeat · 14-08-2020 11:29PM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

again, can you spell out the racism?

like specifically?

Its simple.... If the difference between two actions is down to the colour of skin, then its racist.

Trump did not question John mccains proprietary for running for president..... He questioned Obamas.

The difference..... Skin colour.

Manic Moran · 14-08-2020 11:52PM

Overheal wrote: »

Yeah the status of her parents makes no difference. She was born here, end of, with 2 and a quarter centuries of judicial interpretation to support it.

Technically, there are some exceptions such as children of foreigners sent to the US on international assignment for their government, but I have seen nothing to indicate that she falls under them.

extra gravy · 14-08-2020 11:59PM

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1294263214071521281?s=19

Tributes to Donald from the people that know him best.

y0ssar1an22 · 15-08-2020 12:04AM

Tell me how wrote: »

'There's none so blind as those that will not see'.

what is specific racism for you? A signed declaration by someone that their views conform to the textbook definition of racism?

You seem to believe that unless someone uses a racial term, it isn't actually racism.

maybe i'm blind (i do wear glasses!). i'm open enough to be swayed though if someone can point me in the direction.

why don't you (maybe not you specifically, i dunno) define that. trump is being labeled a racist.
is the burden of proof not on the person who makes the accusation?

surely you need to prove his guilt (i know its not a court but the principle remains)? is that not how this **** works?

alchemist33 · 15-08-2020 12:16AM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

There's a whole list of Donald's racial views here, with links and references, and the odd defence. They stack up.

But to pick one, if you're defending a rally by white supremacists and the KKK, you shouldn't be surprised if someone calls you racist.

Tell me how · 15-08-2020 12:20AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

maybe i'm blind (i do wear glasses!). i'm open enough to be swayed though if someone can point me in the direction.

why don't you (maybe not you specifically, i dunno) define that. trump is being labeled a racist.
is the burden of proof not on the person who makes the accusation?

surely you need to prove his guilt (i know its not a court but the principle remains)? is that not how this **** works?

You look at what someone says, the words they use, the manner in which they say them and you consider these in the context of whether or not that person is consistent in how they treat all people in comparable situations.

Trump doesn't.
He hasn't told white people to go back to where they came from.
He hasn't referred to countries which are largely occupied by white people as being sh*thole countries.
He didn't apply a travel ban consistently given that his reason for introducing it was to curb terrorism and yet didn't include the country from which most of the terrorists which carried out the most deadly terrorism act on the US as part of this ban.
He suggested there were good people on all sides of protests where one side was occupied by white supremacists.
He suggested that protests were illegal and should be met with violence when what they were advocating for was for Black people to be treated fariely.

drunkmonkey · 15-08-2020 12:30AM

alchemist33 wrote: »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

There's a whole list of Donald's racial views here, with links and references, and the odd defence. They stack up.

But to pick one, if you're defending a rally by white supremacists and the KKK, you shouldn't be surprised if someone calls you racist.

Everyone is entitled to express their view and everyone is entitled to change that view point as well. Snowden is a perfect example, Trump said he should be hanged for Treason, that view point has changed, Snowden might now be a Trump asset. A pardon isn't out of the realms of possibility.
Trotting out what you previously said proves nothing only a view based on one snapshot in time. It's not today's thinking. I've had it myself posters in current posts throwing something you said 5yrs ago at you, times change, people change, it's not fair to say your opinions now are the same as they were then.

extra gravy · 15-08-2020 12:39AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to express their view and everyone is entitled to change that view point as well. Snowden is a perfect example, Trump said he should be hanged for Treason, that view point has changed, Snowden might now be a Trump asset. A pardon isn't out of the realms of possibility.
Trotting out what you previously said proves nothing only a view based on one snapshot in time. It's not today's thinking. I've had it myself posters in current posts throwing something you said 5yrs ago at you, times change, people change, it's not fair to say your opinions now are the same as they were then.

His comments about Harris were yesterday so your "he could be a changed man" theory doesn't wash. Nice try though.

y0ssar1an22 · 15-08-2020 01:06AM

Tell me how wrote: »

You look at what someone says, the words they use, the manner in which they say them and you consider these in the context of whether or not that person is consistent in how they treat all people in comparable situations.

Trump doesn't.
He hasn't told white people to go back to where they came from.
He hasn't referred to countries which are largely occupied by white people as being sh*thole countries.
He didn't apply a travel ban consistently given that his reason for introducing it was to curb terrorism and yet didn't include the country from which most of the terrorists which carried out the most deadly terrorism act on the US as part of this ban.
He suggested there were good people on all sides of protests where one side was occupied by white supremacists.
He suggested that protests were illegal and should be met with violence when what they were advocating for was for Black people to be treated fariely.

has he told non-whites to "go back to where they came from"? do you really think 'non whites' are incapable? Thats on you.

has he referred to countries they are predominantly non-white as **** holes?

but yet excluded the 2 biggest muslim populations in the world? being egypt and indonesia.

do you think there were were good people in the irish nationalist movement? pretty much, we can all decide that extremes of the left and right are abhorrent.

did he say that, that 'protests were illegal and should be met with violence' im pretty sure he said riots that were burning federal buildings was against the constitution.

Faugheen · 15-08-2020 03:09AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

has he told non-whites to "go back to where they came from"?

Yes.

Tell me how · 15-08-2020 03:22AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

has he told non-whites to "go back to where they came from"?

Yes

has he referred to countries they are predominantly non-white as **** holes?

but yet excluded the 2 biggest muslim populations in the world? being egypt and indonesia.

The fact he left Egypt out invalidates his argument that it was being done in order to limit terrorism.

do you think there were were good people in the irish nationalist movement? pretty much, we can all decide that extremes of the left and right are abhorrent.

Yes but if someone pointed that out in the immediate aftermath of the Omagh bomb, about the RIRA, I would have said that they were supporting that group

did he say that, that 'protests were illegal and should be met with violence' im pretty sure he said riots that were burning federal buildings was against the constitution.

Yes. On a conference call with Governors he implored of them to use the National Guard and to get tough and to arrest and jail the protesters.

2u2me · 15-08-2020 05:00AM

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

surely you need to prove his guilt (i know its not a court but the principle remains)? is that not how this **** works?

Welcome, you must be new around these parts :pac:

dwayneshintzy · 15-08-2020 05:56AM

There are many, many examples of Trump's racism over decades;

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-history
https://www.npr.org/2016/09/29/495955920/donald-trump-plagued-by-decades-old-housing-discrimination-case

Of course, there's no point trying to convince some people. They'll attack the sources or take random examples (out of literally dozens) and argue that you can't prove Trump's intent.

Kidchameleon · 15-08-2020 08:24AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I like the way you inserted ... instead of quoting him further. Nice tactic.

Sorry to bring this up again but I think this illustrates my point better.

The "..." came from your post (#1568), which I copied and pasted verbatim:

Overheal · 15-08-2020 08:26AM

https://twitter.com/JennaEllisEsq/status/1293660400093888512?s=20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUPi9e_LWM4

Kidchameleon · 15-08-2020 08:49AM

"As we continue to confront the China Virus we are rebuilding Americas economy like nobody thought possible."

"Stock market up almost 300 points again today."

"Our economy is performing significantly better than Europe...at the same time, Europe has experienced a higher excess mortality than the US...we are working with Europe on their difficulty's and we are going to help them all the way."

"We have the strongest performing economy in the world, were up 9 trillion dollars in value since March."

Only got around to watching the presidents conference today. Impressive figures indeed. Despite the virus, Americans pockets are getting lined, this will be reflected on polling day for sure. Its also nice that the Trump administration is giving aid to us in Europe, this is also a vote winner.

namloc1980 · 15-08-2020 09:04AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Sorry to bring this up again but I think this illustrates my point better.

The "..." came from your post (#1568), which I copied and pasted verbatim:

So you're saying you didn't bother checking out the full source which I posted i.e. the videos on the tweets. Didn't bother looking into it further and just ran with what you saw that you thought supported your man. Yup, sounds about right for a Trump supporter. :pac:

Your also ignored the rest of the post highlighting Trump's blatant lies. Again pretty standard for a Trump fan.

Kidchameleon · 15-08-2020 09:13AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

So you're saying you didn't bother checking out the full source which I posted i.e. the videos on the tweets. Didn't bother looking into it further and just ran with what you saw that you thought supported your man. Yup, sounds about right for a Trump supporter. :pac:

Firstly, you accused me of doctoring president Trumps words, now everybody knows I did not. Secondly, if anyone wants to look back on my posts, they will see that I did indeed watch the videos (I made a post saying the video was cut too short and that it would be nice to see the full one). Thirdly, I went and found the article in question and shared it with everyone here so I did check the full source.

In summary, I did not doctor President Trumps words, I watched the video and I read the full article in question. All of this can be seen previously in thread.

You wont admit you were wrong on this but I've made my point and that's the last I'll say on the matter.

namloc1980 · 15-08-2020 09:14AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Only got around to watching the presidents conference today. Impressive figures indeed. Despite the virus, Americans pockets are getting lined, this will be reflected on polling day for sure. Its also nice that the Trump administration is giving aid to us in Europe, this is also a vote winner.

How are Americans pockets getting lined exactly? Millions remain unemployed. You seem to think that everyone in America has money invested in the stock market. Bizarre.

In addition the stock market is still down on where it was. It hasn't recovered from the losses incurred since the start of the year. It's amazing how grown adults are still swallowing Trump's lies hook, line and sinker after all this time.

namloc1980 · 15-08-2020 09:17AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Firstly, you accused me of doctoring president Trumps words, now everybody knows I did not. Secondly, if anyone wants to look back on my posts, they will see that I did indeed watch the videos (I made a post saying the video was cut too short and that it would be nice to see the full one). Thirdly, I went and found the article in question and shared it with everyone here so I did check the full source.

In summary, I did not doctor President Trumps words, I watched the video and I read the full article in question. All of this can be seen previously in thread.

You wont admit you were wrong on this but I've made my point and that's the last I'll say on the matter.

Are you saying that Trump said "dot, dot, dot" during his presser? Sounds like something he'd say so I'll grant you that.

Why didn't you include his full quote? Why haven't you STILL addressed the blatant lies he told about "they're saying" Harris was not born in the USA?

Cody montana · 15-08-2020 09:19AM

Kidchameleon wrote: »

"As we continue to confront the China Virus we are rebuilding Americas economy like nobody thought possible."

"Stock market up almost 300 points again today."

"Our economy is performing significantly better than Europe...at the same time, Europe has experienced a higher excess mortality than the US...we are working with Europe on their difficulty's and we are going to help them all the way."

"We have the strongest performing economy in the world, were up 9 trillion dollars in value since March."

Only got around to watching the presidents conference today. Impressive figures indeed. Despite the virus, Americans pockets are getting lined, this will be reflected on polling day for sure. Its also nice that the Trump administration is giving aid to us in Europe, this is also a vote winner.

The country is trillions in debt, the stock market is getting pumped with billions via the fed, millions unemployed and millions face eviction.
It’s a catastrophe.

Timberrrrrrrr · 15-08-2020 09:21AM

Cody montana wrote: »

The country is trillions in debt, the stock market is getting pumped with billions via the fed, millions unemployed and millions face eviction.
It’s a catastrophe.

But the #IMPOTUS said it's all good so it must be true!

Cody montana · 15-08-2020 09:28AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

But the #IMPOTUS said it's all good so it must be true!

Honest Don would never lie.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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