Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

What Username Guidelines · 13-08-2020 09:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I think we need to get the UN involved and sign a peace agreement, an iconic moment in boards history

It’d be like Martin McGuinness shaking hands with the queen.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 09:23PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’d be like Martin McGuinness shaking hands with the queen.

i dibs being martin

podgeandrodge · 13-08-2020 09:24PM

One thing that we can all agree on is that since masks became mandatory, cases have gone up. The evidence is clear. Just wait, it won't be long before supermarkets have a load of cases after largely getting away with it when masks weren't worn

And, as a result of pubs being forced to shut at 11pm, there will be a 30% increase in house parties with associated cases.

What Username Guidelines · 13-08-2020 09:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

i dibs being martin

Fair. Meet Queen Kermit in Westminster at dawn.

Carfacemandog · 13-08-2020 09:26PM

I'm just after seeing Micheal Martin meeting with Boris Johnson, from a high risk country, with no mask and not keeping social distancing. What was he thinking? Yes Boris had it and so probably is fine with antibodies, but the messaging there is absolutely appalling.

spookwoman · 13-08-2020 09:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Someone on this thread literally posted 'we need to go back a step or two back now' when the numbers came out, before even reading where they came from. If that isn't dying for a step back, I don't know what is.

No link to the post and And we need a step back or 2 means a lock down :rolleyes:

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I know you'll come back with some response somehow turning this on me though, that's what ya do usually.

Seriously ...

theballz · 13-08-2020 09:26PM

What is our R number after today’s figures?

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 09:27PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Fair. Meet Queen Kermit in Westminster at dawn.

You're pushing it now

Renjit · 13-08-2020 09:28PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

One thing that we can all agree on is that since masks became mandatory, cases have gone up. The evidence is clear. Just wait, it won't be long before supermarkets have a load of cases after largely getting away with it when masks weren't worn

Irrefutable logic. 200% truth :pac:

Ficheall · 13-08-2020 09:31PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

One thing that we can all agree on is that since masks became mandatory, cases have gone up. The evidence is clear. Just wait, it won't be long before supermarkets have a load of cases after largely getting away with it when masks weren't worn

deisedevil · 13-08-2020 09:32PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Well said. Even things like the signs with “Thank you HSE” and all the praise being heaped upon them irked me a bit.

Healthcare workers in private nursing homes, many of whom are on minimum wage, had to cope with awful things during this pandemic, and they weren’t rewarded with free coffees in shops, or free haircuts. I’ve said it before on here they should be held up as heros much more than a hospital consultant sitting in their office on €200k

Nursing home workers were left feeling very much forgotten about and are upset at how people seem to view them as inferior to public hospital workers. The government and HSE are happy to have the perception out there that they are incompetent and money grabbers who dont care properly for their residents and that they alone mismanaged the covid situation within their homes. Its just not true though for the most part. I know of a nurse in a hospital telling her former colleagues that they were swimming in free food and cakes and they had next to nothing to be doing because there were next to no patients in the wards. Meanwhile her former colleagues in a nursing home were under severe pressure and feeling very much under appreciated

Most nurses and healthcare workers had it handier than they ever did during lockdown. Not all of course, it wasn't the same across the board, but i know a lot of nurses and they were saying the same thing, that this frontline hero talk was actually only deserved by a small proportion of the public healthcare system. The public got carried away with what they were seeing in Italy and Spain and just assumed our healthcare workers were under the same pressure. We never actually came close to our hospitals being under much pressure.
Meanwhile we had thousands of healthcare workers doing next to nothing but were refusing to go into nursing homes to help out. I know for a fact about some nursing homes seeking assistance but couldnt get any extra workers. What happened to the HSE advising they would redeploy public staff to assist? They had plenty doing nothing.

My wife likes the Script for example. She was under just incredible stress when they announced their free concert. Then she realised it was HSE only. Her sister works in admin in the HSE. She was redeployed as their was no work in their department. She also had little to nothing to do in her new temporary role. She got free tickets. Nit the Scripts fault or anyones fault really. But just felt like another little kick to private healthcare workers.

Sorry for the rant. Just think its a shame the nursing home situation was so misunderstood in general.

spookwoman · 13-08-2020 09:33PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It’d be like Martin McGuinness shaking hands with the queen.

Well I know I'm not the queen and I know I am not hiding any bodies.

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 09:33PM

Renjit wrote: »

Irrefutable logic. 200% truth :pac:

The evidence seems to be pointing that way, we'll have some real world evidence from Denmark soon as there doing the worlds first randomized trials. At the moment there is no evidence to say masking the unsick gives any advantage in stopping Covid.

Jim_Hodge · 13-08-2020 09:34PM

theballz wrote: »

What is our R number after today’s figures?

1.6 down from 1.8

Renjit · 13-08-2020 09:36PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The evidence seems to be pointing that way, we'll have some real world evidence from Denmark soon as there doing the worlds first randomized trials. At the moment there is no evidence to say masking the unsick gives any advantage in stopping Covid.

If someone asks: What's the evidence for mask wearing? Here is a list of *SEVENTY* papers, including reviews/meta-analysis and individual studies, in reverse chronological order. Includes 31 from 2020 alone (!!). META = meta-analysis or systematic review. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248)

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 09:43PM

Renjit wrote: »

If someone asks: What's the evidence for mask wearing? Here is a list of *SEVENTY* papers, including reviews/meta-analysis and individual studies, in reverse chronological order. Includes 31 from 2020 alone (!!). META = meta-analysis or systematic review. (Source: https://threader.app/thread/1279144399897866248)

What's your point, let me make this clear there is no evidence outside a labatory setting masks are effective. Let's see what the randomised real world trial in Denmark will produce.
We have seen cases go up when masks are introduced, it's happened in the UK and seems to be happening here. I welcome the Denmark study to finally bring some clarity, I'm not sure it's going to produce the result you'll like though.

13-08-2020 09:45PM

We had a general election in February. We had no Covid at all before that.

I think I have cracked it.

Renjit · 13-08-2020 09:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's your point, let me make this clear there is no evidence outside a labatory setting masks are effective. Let's see what the randomised real world trial in Denmark will produce.
We have seen cases go up when masks are introduced, it's happened in the UK and seems to be happening here. I welcome the Denmark study to finally bring some clarity, I'm not sure it's going to produce the result you'll like though.

Oh lord, my savior, Denmark. All hail:D

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 09:55PM

Renjit wrote: »

Oh lord, my savior, Denmark. All hail:D

Let's see what happens. There being sensible taking an evidence and fact based scientific approach that's more than I can say for what's going on here.

Micky 32 · 13-08-2020 10:00PM

spookwoman wrote: »

No link to the post and And we need a step back or 2 means a lock down :rolleyes:

Seriously ...

froog wrote: »

not good. we need to go back a step or two and fast.

Did you miss this hysterical post then? :rolleyes:

Gael23 · 13-08-2020 10:01PM

When a vaccine is found, how quickly will the “Old Normal” return, or are these changes to society permanent?

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:05PM

The US has cut coronavirus testing by 17% and continues to report 50,000+ cases per day.

At the end of July, America was doing more than 800,000 tests a day. This week, it's hovered around 715,000.

Even as states with particularly bad outbreaks pull back on their testing, the proportion of tests coming back positive is still high — which would normally be an indication that they need to be doing more tests.
In Texas, 19% of tests are coming back positive, according to Nephron Research. In Florida, the rate of positive tests is 18%, and in Nevada, 17%.

https://www.axios.com/were-doing-a-lot-less-coronavirus-testing-df191643-91ed-40a4-83f6-0586a7ef9930.html

Renjit · 13-08-2020 10:17PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The US has cut coronavirus testing by 17% and continues to report 50,000+ cases per day.

https://www.axios.com/were-doing-a-lot-less-coronavirus-testing-df191643-91ed-40a4-83f6-0586a7ef9930.html

This thing is not slowing. Governments have stopped reporting actual numbers. New normal is to live with this virus.

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 10:18PM

Stevieluvsye wrote:

Sick of the merchants of doom here. Between schools, pubs & travel and some other clown having a meltdown about whether or not to go to the Cinema it would drain you.

We need to be more positive and take a pragmatic approach

We need to be realistic and remain safe. My child's health is paramount to me. I'll protect him as best I can. I'll let all the buffoons send their kids back to school, wait eight weeks and if everything is fine have them back in before Halloween. If things go wrong I'll keep them.out until such time as it is safe.
You probably call me a doom and gloomer but I'm just realistic about things. We don't know enough about this virus yet, there's too many questions still to be answered.
As soon as the schools reopen we are going back into lockdown. Only people we will mix with are families that don't send their kids back and remain safe.

ACitizenErased wrote:

The concept of living with this and getting on with life remains an abstract reality to some.

I'm living with it but I'm not willing to take risks which could end up in any if my family contracting the virus.

Like anybody going into a cinema for two hours with total strangers is what I'd call foolhardy which is the friendliest and nicest word I can use for what they're doing.

spookwoman · 13-08-2020 10:21PM

https://twitter.com/mairenihuigin/status/1293829971585241089?s=20

drunkmonkey · 13-08-2020 10:23PM

Gael23 wrote: »

When a vaccine is found, how quickly will the “Old Normal” return, or are these changes to society permanent?

There only permanent for as long as people are willing to accept them. Life is normal for a lot of people besides not being able to do one or two things they enjoyed like going to the pub, theater, clubbing etc.
A vaccine doesn't provide immunity, I'm not sure what your hoping will happen when one does arrive, it could take decades to eradicate, we seem to have accepted the heard immunity strategy here but we're driving the cattle truck very slowly as to not overburden the health services.

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 10:27PM

drunkmonkey wrote:

There only permanent for as long as people are willing to accept them. Life is normal for a lot of people besides not being able to do one or two things they enjoyed like going to the pub, theater, clubbing etc. A vaccine doesn't provide immunity, I'm not sure what your hoping will happen when one does arrive, it could take decades to eradicate, we seem to have accepted the heard immunity strategy here but we're driving the cattle truck very slowly as to not overburden the health services.

A person has got the virus for a second time so at this point there's no such thing as herd immunity.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 10:30PM

eagle eye wrote: »

A person has got the virus for a second time so at this point there's no such thing as herd immunity.

Where did you see this?

MOR316 · 13-08-2020 10:30PM

bettyoleary wrote: »

OOOh I bet your kids are doing your head in right now.

I live alone. It's ****ing brilliant

igCorcaigh · 13-08-2020 10:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Where did you see this?

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1293746229059477504?s=19

It must be rare though, so will not impact on efforts to achieve herd immunity through vaccination.

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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