Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Oranage2 · 13-08-2020 11:19AM

What's with the leftover cases from Tuesday (15) and yesterday (40)? Anyone have any ideas?

GeorgeBailey · 13-08-2020 11:22AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What's with the leftover cases from Tuesday (15) and yesterday (40)? Anyone have any ideas?

They felt threatened by your formula so added a few extra numbers in there to make you doubt it.

Non solum non ambulabit · 13-08-2020 11:24AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

What's with the leftover cases from Tuesday (15) and yesterday (40)? Anyone have any ideas?

About that yes. Hopefully they were follow up tests on confirmed cases otherwise we could have an increase today.

giveitholly · 13-08-2020 11:25AM

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

I heard the Intel construction site in Maynooth is closed because of covid. Approximately 1000 workers there

On the news on radio 1 at 11am and it said the site wasn't closed

Benimar · 13-08-2020 11:31AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

About that yes. Hopefully they were follow up tests on confirmed cases otherwise we could have an increase today.

Two possibilities from what I can see.

Best case: There were 50 additional cases announced on saturday (174 v 124 positive tests) so the cases have been announced and the tests are now being added. In this scenario cases and tests essentially now match so no backlog.

Worst case: They are holding back cases (they have done so before) and we have 50 cases to be announced.

I think we are only catching up on the cases announced saturday and don't think there is a backlog, but today might tell.

Polar101 · 13-08-2020 11:33AM

Dufflecoat Fanny wrote: »

I heard the Intel construction site in Maynooth is closed because of covid. Approximately 1000 workers there

Looks like one worker tested positive, but no mention of site closure.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0813/1158894-covid-19/

The scale of that site is absolutely massive, so I wouldn't think one case would shut down the whole operation.

caveat emptor · 13-08-2020 11:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here are some articles of the impact of severe influenza on the cardiovascular system, including the generation of clots, causing Thrombosis which can result in amputation

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17122443/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947825/

Not claiming Covid is not more serious the seasonal flu, or underplaying individual complications. Just pointing out , again, the impacts seen with covid are not unusual relative to other conditions that trigger serious pneumonia.

So just to clarify. It's just a flu bro?
I admire your dedication and work ethic.
You must really want to get back to normal.
I can't say the same about your position.

https://twitter.com/TheBigDataStats/status/1289914246130589697?s=20

seamus · 13-08-2020 11:43AM

giveitholly wrote: »

On the news on radio 1 at 11am and it said the site wasn't closed

The amount of rumours that have started flying about, drives me mad. We've got forwarded messages about outbreaks in local supermarkets and hairdressers. Which have turned out to be rubbish.

This is something I didn't really see at the start of all this - local gossip. Maybe it's coincidence, or maybe the sh1tstirrers are just less hesitant about making stuff up.

MickeyLeari · 13-08-2020 11:45AM

Interesting analysis of excess deaths

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1293312732989657089.html

kenmc · 13-08-2020 11:46AM

seamus wrote: »

The amount of rumours that have started flying about, drives me mad. We've got forwarded messages about outbreaks in local supermarkets and hairdressers. Which have turned out to be rubbish.

This is something I didn't really see at the start of all this - local gossip. Maybe it's coincidence, or maybe the sh1tstirrers are just less hesitant about making stuff up.

Did you forget about the hotels in Dublin "being shut down" on WhatsApp late Feb or early march?

GooglePlus · 13-08-2020 11:51AM

kenmc wrote: »

Did you forget about the hotels in Dublin "being shut down" on WhatsApp else Feb or early march?

Or the army preparing to take over..

caveat emptor · 13-08-2020 11:51AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The poster explicitly said they're not claiming covid isn't more serious but you still had to shoehorn the "just a flu bro" nonsense in anyway, didn't you?

They're both respiratory viruses with potentially serious side effects. It's a valid comparison and I have no idea why people insist on throwing the toys out of the pram every time it's brought up.

I'm admiring the posters consistency in minimising.
It's extremely admirable and noteworthy.
Fair play to them for continually confounding issues and muddying waters.

They are the type of people we need when we don't have enough PPE for people in hospitals.
They can continually state "no evidence", "they might actually be dangerous"
until the position is untenable and masks are made mandatory.

I get it. Carry on I say. We need more guinea pigs before we know what this is.

mandrake04 · 13-08-2020 11:55AM

Covid was thought to have been a respiratory disease at the start, it’s now considered an inflammatory disease that’s contracted through the respiratory system.

froog · 13-08-2020 11:55AM

kenmc wrote: »

Did you forget about the hotels in Dublin "being shut down" on WhatsApp late Feb or early march?

With the years old photo of guys in hazmat suits outside a different hotel as i recall

seamus · 13-08-2020 11:56AM

kenmc wrote: »

Did you forget about the hotels in Dublin "being shut down" on WhatsApp late Feb or early march?

That was definitely more national gossip though - "there are cases everywhere and they're not telling us".

I'm talking about the more insidious local stuff, "Did you hear so-and-so went off on a holiday and came back with covid and have been spreading it around".

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 12:05PM

Not sure if anyone posted this last night but

HSE Daily Operations Update
11 in hospital, no change.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
3 on ventilators, increase of 1.

13-08-2020 12:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Here are some articles of the impact of severe influenza on the cardiovascular system, including the generation of clots, causing Thrombosis which can result in amputation

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17122443/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947825/

Not claiming Covid is not more serious the seasonal flu, or underplaying individual complications. Just pointing out , again, the impacts seen with covid are not unusual relative to other conditions that trigger serious pneumonia.

Deleted User wrote: »

No, I am saying long term effects, in a small percentage of people who get the virus are to be expected, given the serious nature of the disease in some people. It does not mean your life is likely ruined if you get covid however, for the average person.

caveat emptor wrote: »

So just to clarify. It's just a flu bro?
I admire your dedication and work ethic.
You must really want to get back to normal.
I can't say the same about your position.

https://twitter.com/TheBigDataStats/status/1289914246130589697?s=20

I hope your not trying to misrepresent my position

Polar101 · 13-08-2020 12:09PM

kenmc wrote: »

Did you forget about the hotels in Dublin "being shut down" on WhatsApp late Feb or early march?

I'd say there's a post here to shut down Dublin every day, it never gets old.

caveat emptor · 13-08-2020 12:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I hope your not trying to misrepresent my position

I would never do that. So covid is like the flu, not the same.
Does the flu cause brain damage and inflammation of the heart at the same rate
that covid does?
Why does covid have different symptoms?
Is the incubation period and number of asymptomatic carriers the same?

It's so hard to tell what's similar and what is different.
We need context.

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1293862378342408193?s=20

eagle eye · 13-08-2020 12:12PM

GooglePlus wrote:

Vaping is a personal choice that you shouldn't impose on others, so I agree with the indoor ban. Some of those vapes are more like disco smoke machines.

You should impose exposure to covid-19 on others either. Sending kids back to school means families are being out at risk.

Stevieluvsye · 13-08-2020 12:12PM

Polar101 wrote: »

I'd say there's a post here to shut down Dublin every day, it never gets old.

t was the same hotel, repeated on daily/ weekly basis for about a month in town. Clayton hotel think it was

seamus · 13-08-2020 12:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not sure if anyone posted this last night but

HSE Daily Operations Update
11 in hospital, no change.
6 in ICU, increase of 1.
3 on ventilators, increase of 1.

Number in hospital was 12 yesterday, no?

As of this morning, 12 in hospital - 1 admission, 1 discharge since yesterday.
Still 6 in ICU .

Presumably the ICU numbers are included in the hospital numbers. And likewise the ventilator numbers are included in the ICU figures?

Are deaths counted as "discharges"?

13-08-2020 12:13PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Covid was thought to have been a respiratory disease at the start, it’s now considered an inflammatory disease that’s contracted through the respiratory system.

Just to be clear, Influenza also can trigger an extreme inflammatory response. Covid just does it more often. For two completely different viruses, the severe impacts than can be seen in a small % of cases are very similar.

On a continuum it would be something like: Seasonal Flu, Swine Flu, Covid, Spanish Flu, Sars 1, Bird Flu, Mers

GooglePlus · 13-08-2020 12:19PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just to be clear, Influenza also can trigger an extreme inflammatory response. Covid just does it more often. For two completely different viruses, the severe impacts than can be seen in a small % of cases are very similar.

On a continuum it would be something like: Seasonal Flu, Swine Flu, Covid, Spanish Flu, Sars 1, Bird Flu, Mers

Inflammation occurs when our body goes about healing itself, it's a natural response.

The common cold triggers exactly the same mechanism but at a smaller scale.

I'm pretty sure the more damage being done, the bigger the response, so it just shows what Covid is doing to the body.

castletownman · 13-08-2020 12:21PM

I have just learned that a girl that did work experience for us for a week in February that contracted the virus (I posted it in one of the earlier threads at the time) ended up spending fifteen weeks in hospital. Her family were looking for a bed for her in the national rehabilitation hospital, but they had to wait another 10 weeks, so she was brought home instead and her mother essentially left her job to look after her full-time.

She basically has to re-learn a lot of things: had limited speech to begin with but that is coming back, is very unsteady in her movements and has no memory whatsoever (was enquiring about visiting her granny even though she is deceased years). Tendency to go wandering if left unsupervised. All the hallmarks of a traumatic brain injury.

The doctors say that she had a undetected defect of some sort in her brain that was a ticking time-bomb, and the virus attacked there first. So that would be a mitigating factor, and an underlying condition, but fecking hell it sounds grim to hit someone so young.

Paddygreen · 13-08-2020 12:21PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Covid was thought to have been a respiratory disease at the start, it’s now considered an inflammatory disease that’s contracted through the respiratory system.

It is a horror story come to life. Absolutely bricking it here. Not sure if it is possible but I think I have watched everything with Duncan Stewart in it online to distract myself.. An hour here and there with Duncan playing in the house, takes the edge off for me anyway

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 12:23PM

seamus wrote: »

Number in hospital was 12 yesterday, no?

As of this morning, 12 in hospital - 1 admission, 1 discharge since yesterday.
Still 6 in ICU .

Presumably the ICU numbers are included in the hospital numbers. And likewise the ventilator numbers are included in the ICU figures?

Are deaths counted as "discharges"?

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-12-august-2020.pdf

mandrake04 · 13-08-2020 12:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just to be clear, Influenza also can trigger an extreme inflammatory response. Covid just does it more often. For two completely different viruses, the severe impacts than can be seen in a small % of cases are very similar.

On a continuum it would be something like: Seasonal Flu, Swine Flu, Covid, Spanish Flu, Sars 1, Bird Flu, Mers

Yeah but this is completely novel, it seems to affect blood, heart, brain, kidneys etc the body just doesn't know how to handle it. But it seems some blood groups are more affected than others and it doesn't even bother some people at all.

seamus · 13-08-2020 12:29PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-2000-12-august-2020.pdf

Ah. That tallies with the arcgis dashboard that only shows the values at 8am.

ACitizenErased · 13-08-2020 12:30PM

Case confirmed at a crèche in Dublin

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-19-case-confirmed-at-dublin-creche-1013920.html

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