Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest GP referral data:
Notable increase in Carlow, Clare, Kildare, Offaly, Dublin 6, Dublin 7, Dublin 14, Dublin 16 and Dublin 20 (highest).
https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2020-08-11_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

I had mild cold symptoms. Probably shouldn't have left fan on full speed at night:D

Strumms wrote: »

No, it’s ‘desirable’ and it’s ‘better’ for them to learn in a school environment.

Remote learning isn’t majorly ineffective. It’s simply not AS desirable as classroom learning, in a lot of cases. Experts will tell you that, what parents think is neither here nor there, their opinion is not an educated one so it’s unnecessary.

You spoke to teachers ? Well, they are teachers, they don’t get to qualify to make decisions that will impact the very future of the country and its citizens. They are being paid to teach because that’s all they are qualified to do... so I’ll listen to the medical people over teachers.

Well this article has quotes from the head of the medical team advising the Israeli government where he says about their decision to proceed with a return to school that he'd advise everybody to not do what they did.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/when-covid-subsided-israel-reopened-its-schools-it-didn-t-go-well-1.4321658

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Every other country opens schools -> grand no hassle there
Ireland plans to do so -> nope, no way, teach them at home

Can you link us to data from these countries?

https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2020/0812/1158806-south-korea/

It depresses me to see this when I compare to our own way of doing things, Ireland is years away from being able to replicate anything like this, any proposal to implement a measure like this would undoubtedly be met by multiple "relevant stakeholders" digging their heels in.

Bus drivers saying they don't want that on their busses, communities complaining about the appearance of bus stops, Dublin City Council complaining about not having funds available, TII getting caught in some red tape scandal when the project goes out to tender, jesus wept.

All the while we'll persist with people throwing on the same filthy face mask they've been wearing for weeks on end only for them to ignore the fact the seat they're about to sit in is cordoned off and taking the mask off the second they sit down! Oh and if you don't want to wear a mask don't worry, the union's bus buddies have ensured that their drivers won't enforce it and the transport police we've needed since the 90s is still just a pipe dream!

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not direct data but an account from a teacher in Switzerland.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/schools-returning-5160890-Jul2020/

So no official links about anything then. I thought on this site if you were making a statement you had to back it up?

eagle eye wrote: »

So no official links about anything then. I thought on this site if you were making a statement you had to back it up?

Is this okay? Or is the ECDC not to your satisfaction?

• Investigations of cases identified in school settings suggest that child to child transmission in schools is uncommon and not the primary cause of SARS-CoV-2 infection in children whose onset of infection coincides with the period during which they are attending school, particularly in preschools and primary schools.
• There is conflicting published evidence on the impact of school closure/re-opening on community transmission levels, although the evidence from contact tracing in schools, and observational data from a number of EU countries suggest that re-opening schools has not been associated with significant increases in community transmission.
• If appropriate physical distancing and hygiene measures are applied, schools are unlikely to be more effective propagating environments than other occupational or leisure settings with similar densities of people.
• Available evidence also indicates that closures of childcare and educational institutions are unlikely to be an effective single control measure for community transmission of COVID-19 and such closures would be unlikely to provide significant additional protection of children’s health, since most develop a very mild form of COVID-19, if any.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and-school-settings-covid-19-transmission

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You know well that principals and teachers will not want kids packed in like sardines, that's a ridiculous suggestion.

They don't want that at all, but that's what's going to happen and they have no support from the Department to back up those feelings. The key issue is social distancing vs class numbers. Classes should be halved and alternating week on/week off or whatever way a school wants to split it so there aren't 25 - 35 kids in the class every day.

I couldn't see an individual school bucking the government roadmap and telling half its students to stay home on rotation. There won't be any extra allowances for days missed, as far as I know, and potentially every child in the school would therefore have to be investigated for missing time in school because they'll all be over the 20 days missed, technically.

That's just one issue, there's a longer list of problems that will arise in the daily operations of Irish schools but I think, personally, the core f*ck up is just ignoring distancing and doing absolutely nothing to support blended learning.

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24 hours: 5818
Tests conducted last 7 days: 32518
Additional positive tests: 80
Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.7%

Bit of an increase in testing, nearly 2000 more than yesterday.

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

80 new cases today? or am i reading this wrong as it is early

And wasn't there 20-30 from yesterday too? Could be over a 100 today

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

80 new cases today? or am i reading this wrong as it is early

Yesterday this number was 53 with only 35 cases reported so could very well be lower than 80 reported today. But just as easily could be 98. No one knows for sure how it's done.

Expecting < 50 cases today.

Educated guess says close to 100 cases today.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah as the CMO said it'll be up and down this week

People testing positive on day 0 and 7 as well maybe?

Santy2015 wrote: »

People testing positive on day 0 and 7 as well maybe?

Nah, if they test positive on day 0, they don't receive a day 7 test.
I think they are just waiting until they have extra info on the cases before reporting them. We never use to get a detailed breakdown the same day as the positive cases are released. Just announcing 100 cases and no detailed breakdown would freak people out and let RTE and the likes to just speculate randomly on the cases.