Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

12-08-2020 01:59PM

Onesea wrote: »

Kids will be fine, there won't be any effect on them from covid.

Primary schools have been back in the UK for literal months with no meaningful issues or clusters linked to them. Staggered starts and playtimes, pods etc. There is so much scaremongering in Ireland instead of just getting on with it

Secondary schools are different, but no excuse for primary to not be back 100%

Onesea · 12-08-2020 02:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Primary schools have been back in the UK for literal months with no meaningful issues or clusters linked to them. Staggered starts and playtimes, pods etc. There is so much scaremongering in Ireland instead of just getting on with it

Secondary schools are different, but no excuse for primary to not be back 100%

I'm with you 100%, they have to at least have a stab at getting back to normal. A little courage is needed

Strumms · 12-08-2020 02:02PM

copeyhagen wrote: »

and im not a teacher, we're parents with full time jobs working from home due to covid, keeping food on the table.

remote learning is bs

Well, you just need to do two jobs and parent. School, again isn't state babysitting, as much as an inconvenience as that is.

Remote learning isn’t as good as being in a class but it enables kids to improve with other skills such as self discipline, decision making and responsibilities, all while continuing to learn in a safe, creative and distancing environment.

Non solum non ambulabit · 12-08-2020 02:16PM

Strumms wrote: »

School, again isn't state babysitting.

You are showing your ignorance of schools here. Babysitting is the last things on parents minds. Our kids development is everything to 99% of parents.

Some parents feel schools are not good for therir kids development and home school. But that decision is again based on the development of their children.

Health and education of the pillars of a mature society

Strumms · 12-08-2020 02:21PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You are showing your ignorance of schools here.

Health and education of the pillars of a mature society

The only ignorance I’m seeing is by those in the ‘well I got kids’ club who want regardless of health, their children to be continued to be educated at school, bringing back the approximately 36,000 teachers to work. In addition to that we have numerous support staff, caretakers, cleaners and so on... in a pandemic to look after, help, sorry educate ... no fûck the big picture and making sacrifices and being part of a solution... ‘mind and educate my kids, I’ve stuff to do’. Always been the same,

lee_baby_simms · 12-08-2020 02:23PM

Strumms wrote: »

The only ignorance I’m seeing is by those in the ‘well I got kids’ club who want regardless of health, their children to be continued to be educated at school, bringing back the approximately 36,000 teachers to work. In addition to that we have numerous support staff, caretakers, cleaners and so on... in a pandemic to look after, help, sorry educate ... no fûck the big picture and making sacrifices and being part of a solution... ‘mind and educate my kids, I’ve stuff to do’. Always been the same,

Disgraceful comment.

Strumms · 12-08-2020 02:27PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Wow. Really shown yourself up there. I will not respond to this horrible post.

Errrr you did respond to it. :eek:

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 02:28PM

Strumms wrote: »

Errrr you did respond to it. :eek:

You’re making a holy show of yourself here bud....

Strumms · 12-08-2020 02:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You’re making a holy show of yourself here bud....

I’m discussing the issues, disagree, whatever, you are just trying to get personal and it’s not adding to the debate.. I’d join on that tact but really I’m not of the mind to sink to that depth.

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 02:32PM

Strumms wrote: »

I’m discussing the issues, disagree, whatever, you are just trying to get personal and it’s not adding to the debate.. I’d join on that tact but really I’m not of the mind to sink to that depth.

You just attacked parents and say I’m getting personal. Right, okay, I see what we’re dealing with.

Strumms · 12-08-2020 02:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You just attacked parents and say I’m getting personal. Right, okay, I see what we’re dealing with.

No, I criticized a certain mindset that’s been prevalent amongst parents. Simple. To be critical is not an attack. Some rather paper thin skins if that is the case, I don’t view you disagreeing with me as an attack. I can accept that you are misguided and misdirected in your thinking, but not an attack.

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 02:39PM

Strumms wrote: »

No, I criticized a certain mindset that’s been prevalent amongst parents. Simple. To be critical is not an attack. Some rather paper thin skins if that is the case, I don’t view you disagreeing with me as an attack. I can accept that you are misguided and misdirected in your thinking, but not an attack.

Kids need to be educated in a school environment. Remote learning is majorly ineffective, parents will tell you that, and teachers will too. I've spoken to old teachers of mine in the last week or two around the town and they said that the period from March to May was a quote: "****-show". They need to go back to school

GooglePlus · 12-08-2020 02:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Kids need to be educated in a school environment. Remote learning is majorly ineffective, parents will tell you that, and teachers will too. I've spoken to old teachers of mine in the last week or two around the town and they said that the period from March to May was a quote: "****-show". They need to go back to school

That's exactly how the principal you spoke to described the plan to get students back as well, sh1tshow must be a popular word in the education sector.

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 02:44PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That's exactly how the principal you spoke to described the plan to get students back as well, it must be a popular word in the education sector.

Yeah the plan is awful, doesn't mean they can't go back.

Stevieluvsye · 12-08-2020 02:46PM

GooglePlus · 12-08-2020 02:46PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Yeah the plan is awful, doesn't mean they can't go back.

You might bump into the Minister for Education on your travels soon, maybe run it by her.

Strumms · 12-08-2020 02:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Kids need to be educated in a school environment. Remote learning is majorly ineffective, parents will tell you that, and teachers will too. I've spoken to old teachers of mine in the last week or two around the town and they said that the period from March to May was a quote: "****-show". They need to go back to school

No, it’s ‘desirable’ and it’s ‘better’ for them to learn in a school environment.

Remote learning isn’t majorly ineffective. It’s simply not AS desirable as classroom learning, in a lot of cases. Experts will tell you that, what parents think is neither here nor there, their opinion is not an educated one so it’s unnecessary.

You spoke to teachers ? Well, they are teachers, they don’t get to qualify to make decisions that will impact the very future of the country and its citizens. They are being paid to teach because that’s all they are qualified to do... so I’ll listen to the medical people over teachers.

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 02:47PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You might bump into the Minister for Education on your travels soon, maybe run it by her.

You're questioning how I ran into a secondary principal and a primary teacher in a small town outside Cork City? Do you want my address now too?

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 02:59PM

Latest GP referral data:
Notable increase in Carlow, Clare, Kildare, Offaly, Dublin 6, Dublin 7, Dublin 14, Dublin 16 and Dublin 20 (highest).
https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2020-08-11_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

thelad95 · 12-08-2020 03:03PM

Strumms wrote: »

The only ignorance I’m seeing is by those in the ‘well I got kids’ club who want regardless of health, their children to be continued to be educated at school, bringing back the approximately 36,000 teachers to work. In addition to that we have numerous support staff, caretakers, cleaners and so on... in a pandemic to look after, help, sorry educate ... no fûck the big picture and making sacrifices and being part of a solution... ‘mind and educate my kids, I’ve stuff to do’. Always been the same,

Very narrow minded view of things, the vast majority of parents want their children to be educated for a well rounded upbringing as well as proper social development.

If education was suspended indefinitely until this pandemic subsides (could be years) we would have a generation of deeply disturbed and poorly rounded people once they come around to adulthood.

Remember it's likely that a lot of children are quietly suffering traumatic stress because of this but they're too young to be able to even verbalise what's going on in their head nevermind communicate it to others. Getting back to school will help them a lot.

It sounds like you perhaps came from a background where the only reason your parents sent you to school was so you weren't in their way all day. Judging by your fairly loose grasp of basic syntax, that would certainly seem to be the case.

seamus · 12-08-2020 03:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Latest GP referral data:
Notable increase in Carlow, Clare, Kildare, Offaly, Dublin 6, Dublin 7, Dublin 14, Dublin 16 and Dublin 20 (highest).
https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2020-08-11_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

I guess there are so many variables here it would be impossible to say this is down to an actual increase in cases;

- Potentially more cases arising 5-7 days after a bank holiday
- More mixing between individuals = more non-covid illness circulating = more referrals for covid testing
- Midlands clusters making people more jittery, more likely to seek a test

It would be interesting to see these figures compared to an earlier part of the pandemic (e.g. early phase 2), to see what effect public nervousness and sentiment has on them.

12-08-2020 03:10PM

seamus wrote: »

I guess there are so many variables here it would be impossible to say this is down to an actual increase in cases;

- Potentially more cases arising 5-7 days after a bank holiday
- More mixing between individuals = more non-covid illness circulating = more referrals for covid testing
- Midlands clusters making people more jittery, more likely to seek a test

It would be interesting to see these figures compared to an earlier part of the pandemic (e.g. early phase 2), to see what effect public nervousness and sentiment has on them.

Or it may be more awareness of symptoms due to the outbreaks in the midlands, or more hayfever being triggered by people spending more time outside in the nice weather. Some GP's are certainly referring people suffering only hayfever symptoms

s1ippy · 12-08-2020 03:11PM

owlbethere wrote: »

TV3 was on in the morning in the background and there was a woman chatting on air about the virus and kids and school. Was that her? If so, I just about heard what she was waffling on about - there's no evidence that the virus spreads in schools, there's no evidence of children picking it up schools, children can't pass it on because of their bodies and expulsion rates are weaker than adults if they cough.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/share/radio1/21817383
Richard Grogan, Employment Law Expert, Richard Grogan & Associates, Simon McGarr, McGarr Solicitors and Director of Data Compliance Europe.

It was the segment about employers and disclosing data about their employees' health to the HSA or HPSE or whatever the overseeing body is.

I was positive they said in that segment that it's not a notifiable disease yet, very strange. I think they might have been talking in terms of the legislation requiring people to come forward with a positive test?

Stevieluvsye · 12-08-2020 03:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Or it may be more awareness of symptoms due to the outbreaks in the midlands, or more hayfever being triggered by people spending more time outside in the nice weather. Some GP's are certainly referring people suffering only hayfever symptoms

Hayfever is a good shout. I had it really bad this year over the weekend and late last week

ilovesmybrick · 12-08-2020 03:26PM

Stevieluvsye wrote: »

Hayfever is a good shout. I had it really bad this year over the weekend and late last week

Hayfever has been a nightmare throughout this. I used to get very bad doses of it years ago, but the past four or five have been okay. This summer I got hammered with it, and I know this is a minor thing, but in the current situation I get very, very self concious of the sniffling/coughing/spluttering. The one day I had to commute into work this summer was horrific. It's a two hour round trip, and wearing a heavy cotton mask seemed to make it far more difficult to breath. I do think this may have also been due to the heat at the time (it was in the 30's).

It's going to be a complete mess come winter when the usual colds and small bugs start floating about.

The_Brood · 12-08-2020 03:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Kids need to be educated in a school environment. Remote learning is majorly ineffective, parents will tell you that, and teachers will too. I've spoken to old teachers of mine in the last week or two around the town and they said that the period from March to May was a quote: "****-show". They need to go back to school

No one disputes that, but the question is do we have a public health emergency or not that supersedes any and all economic, social and educational needs. The government is saying yes, hence the suffering businesses, mental health, travel etc. people are facing. That is the government's "price to pay" for defeating the virus.

So by that logic schools most definitely shout not reopen. If they do, then (which is already obvious) the government only cares about health when they disadvantage people they think can't hurt them politically, but I guess angry parents scare them way too much.

Strumms · 12-08-2020 03:35PM

thelad95 wrote: »

Very narrow minded view of things, the vast majority of parents want their children to be educated for a well rounded upbringing as well as proper social development.

If education was suspended indefinitely until this pandemic subsides (could be years) we would have a generation of deeply disturbed and poorly rounded people once they come around to adulthood.

Remember it's likely that a lot of children are quietly suffering traumatic stress because of this but they're too young to be able to even verbalise what's going on in their head nevermind communicate it to others. Getting back to school will help them a lot.

It sounds like you perhaps came from a background where the only reason your parents sent you to school was so you weren't in their way all day. Judging by your fairly loose grasp of basic syntax, that would certainly seem to be the case.

Really ? Personal attacks now , great, that will add a lot to your argument and the debate as a whole.

. Would you like to give us the input of your psychology qualifications that enable you to draw such conclusions?

We ALL want kids to go back to school. Nobody is saying home learning is optimum but given the huge possibilities no sorry, probability of transmission of covid in schools and the impact that WILL have on society at large due to the close reliance children have on their parents and older siblings, at present, a return in my mind is almost suicide ...

Of course if they go back, it doesn’t happen, I’m proved wrong, I’m very glad to be, but from my view, I can’t see it ending well.

eagle eye · 12-08-2020 03:36PM

Onesea wrote:

I'm with you 100%, they have to at least have a stab at getting back to normal. A little courage is needed

What you call courage I call foolhardy.

Strumms · 12-08-2020 03:40PM

Precisely, if we ‘try’, have a ‘stab’ and it doesn’t go to plan, LOTS are dying.

ACitizenErased · 12-08-2020 03:41PM

Every other country opens schools -> grand no hassle there
Ireland plans to do so -> nope, no way, teach them at home

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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