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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #662
    owlbethere
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    This is an interesting possibility:

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1293372050212626433?s=19

    I wouldn't be too happy with the stuff coming out of meat plants. Thankfully I don't buy much meats in a weekly shop but if I did I would truly consider them. I read somewhere that the virus does have potential to live outside the body in colder conditions for some time.


  • #663
    Wanderer78
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    owlbethere wrote:
    I wouldn't be too happy with the stuff coming out of meat plants. Thankfully I don't buy much meats in a weekly shop but if I did I would truly consider them. I read somewhere that the virus does have potential to live outside the body in colder conditions for some time.


    Is there actually any absolute proof of this?


  • #664
    drunkmonkey
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Is there actually any absolute proof of this?

    Keeping it chilled protects the virus, it's nothing new it's why your body temperature rises when you've an infection, your body is trying to cook it out.
    If it wasn't an issue this would be a stupid idea https://www.packagingnews.co.uk/news/coronavirus/covid-19-parkside-launches-anti-microbial-packaging-04-08-2020


  • #665
    Wanderer78
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    drunkmonkey wrote:
    Keeping it chilled protects the virus, it's nothing new it's why your body temperature rises when you've an infection, your body is trying to cook it out. If it wasn't an issue this would be a stupid idea


    I'm aware of this alright, I'm also aware there's very little facts known about this virus yet


  • #666
    Widdensushi
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    It's more likely family pets were carrying it than frozen packaging, a live carrier rather than a surface


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  • #667
    drunkmonkey
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I'm aware of this alright, I'm also aware there's very little facts known about this virus yet

    If it was staying on frozen/chilled products you'd think we'd have clusters all over the the place at this stage, I think NZ could be grasping at straws with this line of thinking, it's a slim possibility.

    We know very little yet, schools will be the big experiment, just hoping it doesn't hit my kids schools first. Winter weather will tell a lot of how this behaves in cold environments, don't think we can look at Australia winter as a guide as there completely different environments. They've nearly eradicated the FLU by accident though.


  • #668
    drunkmonkey
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    Widdensushi wrote: »
    It's more likely family pets were carrying it than frozen packaging, a live carrier rather than a surface

    I was thinking this yesterday, it's being passed via animals to humans and visa versa. That's very worrying though.


  • #669
    Wanderer78
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    drunkmonkey wrote:
    We know very little yet, schools will be the big experiment, just hoping it doesn't hit my kids schools first. Winter weather will tell a lot of how this behaves in cold environments, don't think we can look at Australia winter as a guide as there completely different environments. They've nearly eradicated the FLU by accident though.


    I'm deeply concerned about the schools, this is one dangerous experiment, that has the potential to go horribly wrong


  • #670
    drunkmonkey
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    I'm deeply concerned about the schools, this is one dangerous experiment, that has the potential to go horribly wrong

    It will go horribly wrong, just hoping it flattens some other schools before my kids ones first and they'll call off the experiment.


  • #671
    [Deleted User]
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    Deja Vu.

    I was off for two weeks at the of January for lunar new year in Vietnam and then this happened and going back to work got pushed back and back until May. Longest Tet ever.

    Off for summer and it springs up again. I was meant to be back at work last Monday. Then it was next Monday. Now I've been told it won't be until September. Who knows what I'll be told then.


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  • #672
    [Deleted User]
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Keeping it chilled protects the virus, it's nothing new it's why your body temperature rises when you've an infection, your body is trying to cook it out.
    If it wasn't an issue this would be a stupid idea https://www.packagingnews.co.uk/news/coronavirus/covid-19-parkside-launches-anti-microbial-packaging-04-08-2020

    The fever response more thought these days to be an inflammatory response to activate the immune system to get appropriate immune cells circulating to fight the virus, rather than an attempt to "cook" the virus.


  • #673
    Wanderer78
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    Deleted User wrote:
    I was off for two weeks at the of January for lunar new year in Vietnam and then this happened and going back to work got pushed back and back until May. Longest Tet ever.


    You're obviously still getting paid?


  • #674
    [Deleted User]
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    You're obviously still getting paid?

    Half pay for doing nothing. All my friends in other schools have to do online teaching and they said it's way more work than being in class. I'm more than happy to take the pay cut.


  • #675
    [Deleted User]
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    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    If it was staying on frozen/chilled products you'd think we'd have clusters all over the the place at this stage, I think NZ could be grasping at straws with this line of thinking, it's a slim possibility.

    We know very little yet, schools will be the big experiment, just hoping it doesn't hit my kids schools first. Winter weather will tell a lot of how this behaves in cold environments, don't think we can look at Australia winter as a guide as there completely different environments. They've nearly eradicated the FLU by accident though.

    A slim possibility, given enough time, will eventually happen. Its more likely an accidental exposure to a person / material in managed isolation, or even isolated pockets of mild or asymptomatic cases that never came to light.

    Melbourne winter is much like Auckland or even the south of France by the way


  • #676
    Wanderer78
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    Deleted User wrote:
    Half pay for doing nothing. All my friends in other schools have to do online teaching and they said it's way more work than being in class. I'm more than happy to take the pay cut.


    Yea I know lads doing the online teaching, they said it's no joke, they said you d be bollocked after it. Fcuk it, enjoy it while you can


  • #677
    [Deleted User]
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    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Yea I know lads doing the online teaching, they said it's no joke, they said you d be bollocked after it. Fcuk it, enjoy it while you can

    Yeah, everyone I know doing it hates it. One friend is considering just quitting work for a few months because he finds it so draining and difficult and he'd rather live off savings.


    As for the topic of schools reopening, it would almost certainly be a disaster. I've taught in May with mandatory masks in class and it lasted three days before the government gave up on it. It's an exercise in futility. I had students pulling down their masks to share bottles of water in the first class. By the second day, the difficulty of communicating in a noisy class with muffled voices and not being able to see lips means productivity just evaporates. Kids get wise to the fact they can pretend to not hear you or know what you're saying.


  • #678
    pc7
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Half pay for doing nothing. All my friends in other schools have to do online teaching and they said it's way more work than being in class. I'm more than happy to take the pay cut.

    Are you able to go out and about or are there restrictions ABG?


  • #679
    [Deleted User]
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    pc7 wrote: »
    Are you able to go out and about or are there restrictions ABG?

    No restrictions at the moment. Was out for beers last night and out for breakfast this morning.


  • #680
    Jinglejangle69
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    Stephen Donnelly on RTÉ 1.

    Doesnt seem to be able for all of this.

    Just fumbling each answer.


  • #681
    mloc123
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly on RTÉ 1.

    Doesnt seem to be able for all of this.

    Just fumbling each answer.

    Not often you'd say it but...Harris was a much safer pair of hands


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  • #682
    Stevieluvsye
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    Not often you'd say it but...Harris was a much safer pair of hands

    No, both as useless as each other


  • #683
    NasserShammaz
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly on RTÉ 1.

    Doesnt seem to be able for all of this.

    Just fumbling each answer.

    Yea how can someone use so many words but say nothing.... jesus christ even if you don't know what's goin on get the optics right...especially in a healthy crisis. I ****ing hate fg but they did understand this and in the main got it right


    The looking like they knew what to do.. not actually getting it right


  • #684
    wadacrack
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    https://twitter.com/jeremyfaust/status/1293387705515159553


  • #685
    D.Q
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    NasserShammaz wrote: »
    Yea how can someone use so many words but say nothing.... jesus christ even if you don't know what's goin on get the optics right...especially in a healthy crisis. I ****ing hate fg but they did understand this and in the main got it right


    The looking like they knew what to do.. not actually getting it right

    He's one of the most hatable men in Irish politics. A truly standout self serving arsehole in a sea of self serving arseholes. Thankfully he's been given the poisoned chalice of the health sector.


  • #686
    The Unbearables
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Stephen Donnelly on RTÉ 1.

    Doesnt seem to be able for all of this.

    Just fumbling each answer.

    Not a fan of his but doing a great job protecting our society.


  • #687
    Stevieluvsye
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    The Unbearables wrote: »
    Not a fan of his but doing a great job protecting our society.

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  • #688
    JRant
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Jrant, if you don't allow sick leave when there's a full blown pandemic, what do you think implications might be?

    No problem with sick leave, everyone is entitled to that that, however some jobs pay you while you are out while an awful lot of others don't.
    Who bares the cost of this entitled sick pay?

    If people are turning up to work while showing symptoms or waiting for a test result then that's on the individual.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #689
    hmmm
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    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/jeremyfaust/status/1293387705515159553
    Don't read the end of that paper unless you want to be depressed :) Faust is a serious scientist, interesting post.


  • #690
    KrustyUCC
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    Red, orange, yellow and blue: Donnelly outlines colour-coding system to replace Covid-19 phases

    https://www.thejournal.ie/colour-coded-donnelly-5173647-Aug2020/


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  • #691
    Jinglejangle69
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Red, orange, yellow and blue: Donnelly outlines colour-coding system to replace Covid-19 phases

    https://www.thejournal.ie/colour-coded-donnelly-5173647-Aug2020/

    He couldnt even explain it himself.

    Was embarrassing.


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