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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #572
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Electronic tagging of non mask wearers should be an option available to law enforcement. If someone is caught without a mandatory mask in a shop they should be placed under enforced isolation , ie they are only allowed out for one hour twice a week to visit a designated retailer for their essentials. It’s time to get tough with the antisocial . Time to come down on dissent like ten tons of bricks for the greater good. They are either in it together with us or they are with the terrifying virus, simple as that.

    That sounds more terrifying than the virus MR 1984.


  • #573
    Rimmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Rimmy


    I'd love to know the real numbers of who contracted the virus.

    I know for a fact that 90% of people I know wouldn't bother get tested unless they were on deaths door and needed to ring an ambulance.

    Could be ten thousands out their with mild symptoms.


  • #574
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Electronic tagging of non mask wearers should be an option available to law enforcement. If someone is caught without a mandatory mask in a shop they should be placed under enforced isolation , ie they are only allowed out for one hour twice a week to visit a designated retailer for their essentials. It’s time to get tough with the antisocial . Time to come down on dissent like ten tons of bricks for the greater good. They are either in it together with us or they are with the terrifying virus, simple as that.

    Your act is boring, can you.reinvent please..


  • #575
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Cold comfort to the affected business owners in each county and their staff. Crying Wolf is not a good strategy.

    Do you really think we're looking at a crying wolf situation, can you give examples of crying wolf that can stand up to objective scrutiny?


  • #576
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Rimmy wrote: »
    I'd love to know the real numbers of who contracted the virus.

    I know for a fact that 90% of people I know wouldn't bother get tested unless they were on deaths door and needed to ring an ambulance.

    Could be ten thousands out their with mild symptoms.

    There were tens of thousands of mild cases..antibody testing showed a bit under 5% of Irish people were infected.


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  • #577
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    JRant wrote: »
    Prime Time was a hoot tonight. The brave Miriam decided tonight was the time to do a spot of on the scene reporting from Tullamore. Why? Well who knows, it's RTE and nothing they do makes sense. Sure send an anchor to a restricted zone for "reasons".

    Also had some mad yoke claiming that meat factory workers should be legally entitled to sick pay, even though there is no legal requirement for sick pay in this country.

    Jrant, if you don't allow sick leave when there's a full blown pandemic, what do you think implications might be?


  • #578
    Plumbthedepths
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Do you really think we're looking at a crying wolf situation, can you give examples of crying wolf that can stand up to objective scrutiny?

    At this hour of the night no. Tried from travelling. Maybe tomorrow but it's an opinion which is a valid response here.


  • #579
    podgeandrodge
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    There were tens of thousands of mild cases..antibody testing showed a bit under 5% of Irish people were infected.

    Are antibody tests sufficient to count all cases though? If only 1 in 20 people have got infected despite all of us going to supermarkets for months without masks and pubs and restaurants over the last couple of months there must be more cases. Unless it's only in really confined spaces that any cases are occurring, such as meat factories and associated accomodations, in which case it's unlikely most of us will ever get it.


  • #580
    Rimmy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Rimmy


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    There were tens of thousands of mild cases..antibody testing showed a bit under 5% of Irish people were infected.

    Any link to this?


  • #581
    WoollyRedHat
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    At this hour of the night no. Tried from travelling. Maybe tomorrow but it's an opinion which is a valid response here.

    I'll be happy to discuss once you put together.a valid response to properly discuss.


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  • #582
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Jrant, if you don't allow sick leave when there's a full blown pandemic, what do you think implications might be?

    You can take time off work if sick you just don't get paid. A lot of places are like that and that's why you can sign on or if in a really bad way to social for help. I think in the time of a pandemic any moral person would not go in and risk infecting others. It's not just 1 life that's at risk when going in its everyone else's that they come in contact with.


  • #583
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I'll be happy to discuss once you put together.a valid response to properly discuss.

    You mean a valid response which you deem is acceptable. Remind me tomorrow, I may indulge you. Of course you may need to remind me of the question. For now good night, as I feel you are seeking a row and I have no desire to facilitate you.


  • #584
    WoollyRedHat
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    mloc123 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TeresaMannion/status/1293268927452250118?s=19

    This combined with the tests for the past 2 days makes me wonder what all the cluster fuss and lockdown is about?

    This represents a good comparative study, we should look at this factory compared to ones that have high incidence of infection and try understand why there are these differentials.


  • #585
    WoollyRedHat
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You mean a valid response which you deem is acceptable. Remind me tomorrow, I may indulge you. Of course you may need to remind me of the question. For now good night, as I feel you are seeking a row and I have no desire to facilitate you.

    I simply want explanations of what you call crying wolf, happy to engage in those points once you give examples, I don't want a row, just debate.


  • #586
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Rimmy wrote: »
    I'd love to know the real numbers of who contracted the virus.

    I know for a fact that 90% of people I know wouldn't bother get tested unless they were on deaths door and needed to ring an ambulance.

    Could be ten thousands out their with mild symptoms.

    Deaths door and ambulance, I’ll tell you about that! from recent experience I’m sure anybody with heart attack or stroke would probably be dead by the time the the ambulance arrives. Rang for a family member recently and the majority of the call was like a Covid survey before I could actually explain what was really going on with my loved one. I know that’s not your point but not everything is the virus and people can die as a by product.


  • #587
    Plumbthedepths
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    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    I simply want explanations of what you call crying wolf, happy to engage in those points once you give examples, I don't want a row, just debate.

    You don't want a row ? Your passive aggressive tone suggests otherwise. As I said I have no interest in engaging with whatever you are seeking now. So after this response you will be responding to the ether. Good night.


  • #588
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    spookwoman wrote: »
    You can take time off work if sick you just don't get paid. A lot of places are like that and that's why you can sign on or if in a really bad way to social for help. I think in the time of a pandemic any moral person would not go in and risk infecting others. It's not just 1 life that's at risk when going in its everyone else's that they come in contact with.

    Yes, I understand the mechanisms , but the reality is, if a migrant worker lives in fear of their income and a possibility they will lose their livelihood, due to sickness, because of poor company practices, they will act in a selfish way to protect said livelihood, regardless of implications of public health and this is something as a society we have to address in exceptional circumstances.


  • #589
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Really interesting program on BBC one atm with Drs Chris and Xand van Tulleken working in UK through Covid and their experiences." Surviving the Virus : My Brother and Me "
    Particularly Xand who contracted Covid and subsequently developed a pretty serious cardiac arrhythmia for which he needed cardioversion ie . defibrillation back to normal rhythm .


  • #590
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You don't want a row ? Your passive aggressive tone suggests otherwise. As I said I have no interest in engaging with whatever you are seeking now. So after this response you will be responding to the ether. Good night.

    Sorry Plumb, you're making a statement and I'm simply asking for examples, is this in the realm of impossibility?


  • #591
    AlmightyCushion
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    Strumms wrote: »
    I wonder why, a month into this, when it became 100% clear that the only FIX was going to be a vaccine that will be many months to a couple of years away... would the government not have invested 3 million or whatever setting up a PPE factory... making masks mainly , some other ppe and supplying them to the public at cost... if it comes a point where we have enough masks we can say consider stockpiling then exporting masks but for profit that goes back into the coffers.

    If it costs 80 cent to make a mask, we can charge say 2.30 to cover manufacturing and associated costs.

    Just blitz manufacturing, keep 500,000 in storage for a ‘rainy day’... makes financial, social and healthy sense.

    Because it would be an incredibly stupid idea. You can't just open a new factory in the space of a few days or weeks. It takes time, you have to get equipment, resources and machinery. Find an appropriate building Hire staff and then train the staff. Package the products. Put in place logistics to transport the finished products. There's countless other steps I'm missing. Even then that's just masks, what about all the other PPE we need?

    We had a PPE storage for a few weeks and it hasn't been a problem for ages now. The reason for the shortage was because everyone was scrambling to get it at the same time, now that supply chains have caught up it's not a problem.

    By the time your mask making factory works be up and running, we wouldn't need the masks and they would be more expensive than masks that are currently available to us.


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  • #592
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Really interesting program on BBC one atm with Drs Chris and Xand van Tulleken working in UK through Covid and their experiences." Surviving the Virus : My Brother and Me "
    Particularly Xand who contracted Cogid and subsequently developed a pretty serious cardiac arrhythmia for which he needed cardioversion ie . defibrillation back to normal rhythm .

    My 60+ neighbour had Covid, made a full recovery works for a local meat producer. I suspect however that she made a full recovery warrants no interest.


  • #593
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Looks like the worst is over, getting it into the 30s is a massive positive since only a few days ago it was 174. Interesting few weeks ahead


  • #594
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Because it would be an incredibly stupid idea. You can't just open a new factory in the space of a few days or weeks. It takes time, you have to get equipment, resources and machinery. Find an appropriate building Hire staff and then train the staff. Package the products. Put in place logistics to transport the finished products. There's countless other steps I'm missing. Even then that's just masks, what about all the other PPE we need?

    We had a PPE storage for a few weeks and it hasn't been a problem for ages now. The reason for the shortage was because everyone was scrambling to get it at the same time, now that supply chains have caught up it's not a problem.

    By the time your mask making factory works be up and running, we wouldn't need the masks and they would be more expensive than masks that are currently available to us.

    While I agree that masks are not scarce just now , Strumms is right , we do need a more standardised supply of decent masks for public use now that they are pretty much mandatory in most settings .
    It is not sustainable having dome people going around with scarves and pretending that is good enough.
    There are many companies like 3 M who are already making masks who could be tasked and contracted to supply enough good PPE for public consumption which could be discounted to the consumer, or people could be given vouchers per person.
    We have to purchase masks for our whole families , for work, shopping, public transport, and possibly school as well now.


  • #595
    AlmightyCushion
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    While I agree that masks are not scarce just now , Strumms is right , we do need a more standardised supply of decent masks for public use now that they are pretty much mandatory in most settings .
    It is not sustainable having dome people going around with scarves and pretending that is good enough.
    There are many companies like 3 M who are already making masks who could be tasked and contracted to supply enough good PPE for public consumption which could be discounted to the consumer, or people could be given vouchers per person.
    We have to purchase masks for our whole families , for work, shopping, public transport, and possibly school as well now.

    Lidl are already selling packs of masks cheap now.


  • #596
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    My 60+ neighbour had Covid, made a full recovery works for a local meat producer. I suspect however that she made a full recovery warrants no interest.

    Just like my cousin ( type 1 diabetes) and her husband made fulll recovery. 78 year old woman and 85 year old man i know with underlying conditions made full recovery, but as you said won’t warrant any interest on here for sure. Not dramatic enough.


  • #597
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    My 60+ neighbour had Covid, made a full recovery works for a local meat producer. I suspect however that she made a full recovery warrants no interest.

    So glad she did, Plumb.
    Tell us why do you presume that is not of interest to me ?
    Should I likewise make the assumption you have no interest in watching anything that shows some of the worse effects of the virus?


  • #598
    Goldengirl
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    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Lidl are already selling packs of masks cheap now.

    Standardised masks is what I referenced.


  • #599
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Just like my cousin ( type 1 diabetes) and her husband made fulll recovery. 78 year old woman and 85 year old man i know with underlying conditions made full recovery, but as you said won’t warrant any interest on here for sure. Not dramatic enough.

    Whataboutery and anecdote vs documentary


  • #600
    Micky 32
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    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Whataboutery and anecdote vs documentary

    Lol so calling me a liar?

    I’m sorry that my happy ending facts don’t fit into that doom and gloom bubble of yours.


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  • #601
    Strumms
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    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    Because it would be an incredibly stupid idea. You can't just open a new factory in the space of a few days or weeks. It takes time, you have to get equipment, resources and machinery. Find an appropriate building Hire staff and then train the staff. Package the products. Put in place logistics to transport the finished products. There's countless other steps I'm missing. Even then that's just masks, what about all the other PPE we need?

    We had a PPE storage for a few weeks and it hasn't been a problem for ages now. The reason for the shortage was because everyone was scrambling to get it at the same time, now that supply chains have caught up it's not a problem.

    By the time your mask making factory works be up and running, we wouldn't need the masks and they would be more expensive than masks that are currently available to us.

    Where did I suggest it could have been opened in a few days or indeed weeks, can you quote that please ? The first diagnosis of covid happened approximately 165 days ago in this country... masks are easy to make.

    The government have a number of industrial units which they own or lease.. they or one could have a pretty swift redeployment of purpose, get fitted out and equipped. One on the north side is used for the storage of prison uniforms for both prisoners and prison guards, it’s three quarters empty, a big space, very near the airport and motorways, so the movement and distribution is no issue. Just needed to be equipped and bobs your uncle.... manufacturing and distributing.

    Other ppe ? Sure, it’s a big space, CPPE could be manufacturing.


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