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Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

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    #1412
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    +1.
    If I was hiring a professional driver and he hopped onto a tractor and locked the brake pedals together, I wouldn’t be hiring him...different story for a stockman.

    If I was looking for work I wouldn't take a job with somone who expected me to operate a machine in such an illegal manar on the road. It only takes a second to split the brakes for field use. We see enough road accidents involving tractors without people doing foolish things because they are "professional" drivers.


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    #1413
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    X6.430macman wrote: »
    I'm going to be really dumb here but can I ask why? I know some guys never lock them and vice versa. I've never had it properly explained why you'd want them open when pulling a trailer etc at 40k+ down the road.

    Hard to explain really. A professional driver should be skillful enough to always hit the brake they need, in an instant.

    If someone drove your car like they were doing the driving test would it fill you with confidence in their ability?
    Try doing the artic test driving like you were doing the car test...that won’t end well.


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    #1414
    Gawddawggonnit
    Registered Users Posts: 3,274 ✭✭✭Gawddawggonnit


    emaherx wrote: »
    If I was looking for work I wouldn't take a job with somone who expected me to operate a machine in such an illegal manar on the road. It only takes a second to split the brakes for field use. We see enough road accidents involving tractors without people doing foolish things because they are "professional" drivers.

    I don’t expect drivers to couple/uncouple the brakes. The main thing is that they drive within their ability.


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    #1415
    wrangler
    Registered Users Posts: 11,090 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    X6.430macman wrote: »
    I'm going to be really dumb here but can I ask why? I know some guys never lock them and vice versa. I've never had it properly explained why you'd want them open when pulling a trailer etc at 40k+ down the road.


    Especially as most of the drivers are on the phone as well, the chances of hitting te two brakes in an emergency could be poor


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    #1416
    longgonesilver
    Registered Users Posts: 734 ✭✭✭longgonesilver


    wrangler wrote: »
    Especially as most of the drivers are on the phone as well, the chances of hitting te two brakes in an emergency could be poor

    And that is an acquired bad habit from driving full-time with locked brake pedals. Muscle memory should bring your foot to the proper place on both pedals everytime . Pressing either left of right pedal when you want to should feel wrong/different.

    When pedals are locked far more attention needs to be given to having both brakes adjusted exactly the same. Countless times I have driven other people's tractors and found them with locked pedals and braking more on one side.


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    #1417
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Gawddawggonnit wrote: »
    Hard to explain really. A professional driver should be skillful enough to always hit the brake they need, in an instant.

    If someone drove your car like they were doing the driving test would it fill you with confidence in their ability?
    Try doing the artic test driving like you were doing the car test...that won’t end well.

    That is total BS, anyone reacting in an emergency can hit the brakes wrong and send the tractor in a spin.

    I'd run any man or woman I found driving my tractors on the road with brakes split. There is nothing professional about what you are claiming it's just dangerous and foolish.


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    #1418
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭emaherx


    longgonesilver wrote: »
    And that is an acquired bad habit from driving full-time with locked brake pedals. Muscle memory should bring your foot to the proper place on both pedals everytime . Pressing either left of right pedal when you want to should feel wrong/different.

    When pedals are locked far more attention needs to be given to having both brakes adjusted exactly the same. Countless times I have driven other people's tractors and found them with locked pedals and braking more on one side.

    Muscle memory my arse, especially if a driver is driving multiple brands/models regularly.

    Poorly maintained machinery is not a great excuse for driving poorly. Besides tractors since the mid 90's have an auto compensation between the pedals.


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    #1419
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    emaherx wrote: »
    That is total BS, anyone reacting in an emergency can hit the brakes wrong and send the tractor in a spin.

    I'd run any man or woman I found driving my tractors on the road with brakes split. There is nothing professional about what you are claiming it's just dangerous and foolish.

    I’ve never locked the brakes on any tractor I’ve ever driven.
    Rarely have I come across tractors that had the locked by other drivers.


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    #1420
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    I’ve never locked the brakes on any tractor I’ve ever driven.
    Rarely have I come across tractors that had the locked by other drivers.

    Dosen't make it right though dose it?

    I'm the opposite and I've never herd of any one driving on the road with them unlocked before reading this thread. I've yet to hear a good reason for them to be unlocked on the road but plenty for the opposite.

    Maybe it was a contributory factor in that accident if so many seem to think it's OK.

    1. It is illegal to drive on public road with them unlocked.
    2. The manufacturer felt the need to put stickers beside pedals saying to lock them for road use because they feel it's unsafe.
    3. What purpose would they serve unlocked on a road?
    4. This was bad practice on old low speed tractors, but with tractor speeds now of 50 or 60 KPH it is just insane.
    5. Belief that one is such a professional that muscle memory will save them in a split second emergency is total madness.


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    #1421
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,916 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Driving a tractor with the brakes unlocked on the road is madness lads it's as simple as that.

    Any number of things could cause your foot to slip to one side in an emergency braking scenario, I'd be confident enough that I'd most likely hit the sweet spot between the two pedals every time but I'd not put much faith in my damp mucky wellington gripping perfectly and staying on that sweet spot.

    Having them unlocked for draft field work in testing conditions or doing the dancing act with a heavy fusion bale and a light 2wd tractor makes sense but that's pretty much it.


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    #1422
    Gillespy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Twice I split the brakes and I needed to tip them apart with a hammer. It was when the steering shaft splines gave up the ghost and I managed to get back to the yard using the brakes.

    A few Octobers ago it was paddling bales out of a wet field. Very useful that day.

    Muscle memory is fine 99% of the time to catch both pedals but in an emergency stop or like is often the case, boots/wellingtons are slippy with dirt or oil I wouldn't chance it.


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    #1423
    Tonynewholland
    Registered Users Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭Tonynewholland


    emaherx wrote: »
    Dosen't make it right though dose it?

    I'm the opposite and I've never herd of any one driving on the road with them unlocked before reading this thread. I've yet to hear a good reason for them to be unlocked on the road but plenty for the opposite.

    Maybe it was a contributory factor in that accident if so many seem to think it's OK.

    1. It is illegal to drive on public road with them unlocked.
    2. The manufacturer felt the need to put stickers beside pedals saying to lock them for road use because they feel it's unsafe.
    3. What purpose would they serve unlocked on a road?
    4. This was bad practice on old low speed tractors, but with tractor speeds now of 50 or 60 KPH it is just insane.
    5. Belief that one is such a professional that muscle memory will save them in a split second emergency is total madness.

    Likewise with a safety belt if your tractor is fitted with one but how many people use them.
    Driving with the loader up especially on tractors with front suspension is not a good idea.
    If this accident was caused by misuse of the brakes he/she was very inexperienced not to realise what was happening


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    #1424
    MfMan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,388 ✭✭✭MfMan


    Anyone know where a suction tank for a 2" water pump, similar to below, might be had? That one put a hole in its side.

    https://ibb.co/48HrwDw


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    #1425
    emaherx
    Registered Users Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Tonynewholland wrote: »
    Likewise with a safety belt if your tractor is fitted with one but how many people use them.
    Driving with the loader up especially on tractors with front suspension is not a good idea.
    If this accident was caused by misuse of the brakes he/she was very inexperienced not to realise what was happening



    I wouldn't be surprised if the driver of the tractor was inexperienced, but mis-use of brakes may have been a contributory factor, an other factor may have been "experienced" and "professional" lads teaching him that you don't need to lock brakes together on the road.

    As for the seat belt remark, there is a very long list a safety items that "experienced" and "professional" drivers think are optional, that's hardly a justifiable excuse though is it?


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    #1426
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    That John Deere tractor was on it's journey to a new life. Where the driver was just driving it home after purchasing it second hand.

    It's in the jd dealers now. All glass less and twisted. It'll be a parts tractor now I'd say.


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    #1427
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Say my name wrote: »
    That John Deere tractor was on it's journey to a new life. Where the driver was just driving it home after purchasing it second hand.

    It's in the jd dealers now. All glass less and twisted. It'll be a parts tractor now I'd say.

    Apparently more damage was done getting it back on it's wheels than in the initial turn over.


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    #1428
    Dinzee Conlee
    Registered Users Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭Dinzee Conlee


    orm0nd wrote: »
    Apparently more damage was done getting it back on it's wheels than in the initial turn over.

    Yeah, was wondering that... How should you go about righting a tractor on its side?


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    #1429
    roosterman71
    Registered Users Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Dinzee Conlee wrote: »
    Yeah, was wondering that... How should you go about righting a tractor on its side?

    I'd start by NOT putting straps around the cab structure and use the loader brackets at least


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    #1430
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Ahh - that's sh1te for the new owner.
    I hope it was insured at the time. Was the owner driving or a young fella? Either way a sad story.


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    #1431
    Waffletraktor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,424 ✭✭✭Waffletraktor


    Say my name wrote: »
    That John Deere tractor was on it's journey to a new life. Where the driver was just driving it home after purchasing it second hand.

    It's in the jd dealers now. All glass less and twisted. It'll be a parts tractor now I'd say.
    Sligthest scratch to cab safety structures or the likes is an insta write off.
    With your case does the cab side part of yhe door hinge weld directly to the frame? I know on newer puma’s having the wind catch the door and bend the frame is a new cab!


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    #1432
    Say my name
    Registered Users Posts: 11,212 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Waffletraktor wrote: »
    Sligthest scratch to cab safety structures or the likes is an insta write off.
    With your case does the cab side part of yhe door hinge weld directly to the frame? I know on newer puma’s having the wind catch the door and bend the frame is a new cab!

    Not directly. They're on two plates welded out a bit from the frame. I'd say they could be replaced if the strut broke and wind bent it back.
    Mightnt look the finest after though.


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    #1433
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    longgonesilver wrote: »
    And that is an acquired bad habit from driving full-time with locked brake pedals. Muscle memory should bring your foot to the proper place on both pedals everytime . Pressing either left of right pedal when you want to should feel wrong/different.

    When pedals are locked far more attention needs to be given to having both brakes adjusted exactly the same. Countless times I have driven other people's tractors and found them with locked pedals and braking more on one side.

    Would the equalising valve not ensure both are balanced??

    (And cover potential weak spots?)


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    #1434
    Mooooo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Cabs surely should be rated for a more forcefull turnover than that, and should survive it as such?


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    #1435
    valtra2
    Registered Users Posts: 726 ✭✭✭valtra2


    Hi going looking at at 04 McCormick cx 105 and wondering if there is anything I should look out for. What are they like.thanks


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    #1436
    Aravo
    Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭Aravo


    Say my name wrote: »
    That John Deere tractor was on it's journey to a new life. Where the driver was just driving it home after purchasing it second hand.

    It's in the jd dealers now. All glass less and twisted. It'll be a parts tractor now I'd say.

    If it was just sold. If the new owned had insurance in place or not you can bet this is not the end of the matter. If the brakes were split, questions will be asked of who removed the pin to split the brakes and also was the new owner informed of this. I would not like to be involved in this.


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    #1437
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    Are we sure that split brakes was the problem?
    It seemed that cutting the corner and hitting a culvert caused the tractor to roll. Was it split brakes which caused it to veer in the first instance?


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    #1438
    orm0nd
    Registered Users Posts: 4,181 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    Aravo wrote: »
    If it was just sold. If the new owned had insurance in place or not you can bet this is not the end of the matter. If the brakes were split, questions will be asked of who removed the pin to split the brakes and also was the new owner informed of this. I would not like to be involved in this.

    Don't think it had anything to do with the brakes being split.


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    #1439
    GrasstoMilk
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Reggie. wrote: »
    And the loader up high just helped flip her over

    It was a neighbours nephew driving that tractor, he had just bought it off a guy that won it on one of those Facebook's raffles.
    The 4wd braking was bet on it and that's what caused it to flip.

    Wouldnt bother with those Facebook competions again


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    #1440
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    valtra2 wrote: »
    Hi going looking at at 04 McCormick cx 105 and wondering if there is anything I should look out for. What are they like.thanks

    Make sure clutch/packs arent slipping.....and the lift is working right/opening pick-up correctly

    And the engine isnt leaking oil/over heating


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    #1441
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    GrasstoMilk wrote: »
    It was a neighbours nephew driving that tractor, he had just bought it off a guy that won it on one of those Facebook's raffles.
    The 4wd braking was bet on it and that's what caused it to flip.

    Wouldnt bother with those Facebook competions again

    I'm not too up to speed with the JD or 4 wheel braking. What was the actual issue?


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