Is it just me or have SF vanished?

jimmycrackcorm · 11-08-2020 02:35PM

markodaly wrote: »

Do we actually know if he bought any at the end?

€150 for a good pair of shoes is nothing, considering a good pair will last you a decade, if not more.

A poorly made pair of Nike trainers costs €170. Plenty of ordinary punters wearing them.

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 02:36PM

Ush1 wrote: »

"physcos"(sic) distinctly lack empathy, so the only one accusing Leo of being anything like a "physcopath"(sic) is your good self.

The only person who called him a 'Physcopath' is markodaly in his little bit of imagined huffery.

NOBODY else did.

JohnnyFlash · 11-08-2020 02:37PM

How in the name of Jesus was Louise O’Reilly demoted from the health portfolio in favour of Free State Bastards Cullinane?

The guy is a gombeen.

11-08-2020 02:38PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again the Huff and the complete lack of awareness that it isn't just me who has observed this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Leo+Varadkar%27s+lack+of+empathy&oq=Leo+Varadkar%27s+lack+of+empathy&aqs=chrome..69i57.179330j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Any articles linking the shoes and dinner photo to this lack of empathy?

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 02:38PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I could probably accept criticism of a politician for lack of empathy and insensitivity but not from someone who defended Barry Mc Elduff during the Kingsmill bread gate debacle. If you consider buying shoe insensitive that’s fine but apply the same standards to those in Sinn Fein also.

Go back and find the post were I said...'If McElduff was explicitly targetting the Kingsmill victims' then he needed to go and he and SF needed to apologise. I even said a person doing something like that deliberately should face a prison sentence'.

SafeSurfer · 11-08-2020 02:39PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How in the name of Jesus was Louise O’Reilly demoted from the health portfolio in favour of Free State Bastards Cullinane?

The guy is a gombeen.

Must have got the nod from the boys in Belfast.

SafeSurfer · 11-08-2020 02:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Go back and find the post were I said...'If McElduff was explicitly targetting the Kingsmill victims' then he needed to go and he and SF needed to apologise. I even said a person doing something like that deliberately should face a prison sentence'.

I said you defended him. You defended him.

jimmycrackcorm · 11-08-2020 02:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again the Huff and the complete lack of awareness that it isn't just me who has observed this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Leo+Varadkar%27s+lack+of+empathy&oq=Leo+Varadkar%27s+lack+of+empathy&aqs=chrome..69i57.179330j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

It's typical SF bluster. Apparently saying this is a lack of empathy:

“He is known to homeless services and has been offered emergency accommodation in the past and will be offered it again in the future.

But obviously our thoughts are with him and we hope he makes a speedy recovery.

My understanding is the city council and Waterways Ireland did check the tents before moving them but obviously something went wrong here."

But keep up the whataboutery and deflection effort anyway - it's amusing.

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 02:42PM

jh79 wrote: »

Any articles linking the shoes and dinner photo to this lack of empathy?

Oh my...what a novel way to ignore the long list of people observing what we are talking about here. Well done JH. Well done.

jm08 · 11-08-2020 02:48PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How in the name of Jesus was Louise O’Reilly demoted from the health portfolio in favour of Free State Bastards Cullinane?

The guy is a gombeen.

Are the 20,569 people who gave Cullinane their first preference vote in the last general election also gombeens?

Just for the record, Mary Butler (FF) got 6,644 first preference votes was the closest to him and John Cummins of Fine Gael got 4,592 first preferences.

Ush1 · 11-08-2020 02:51PM

There's a grand irony about ne'er do wells saying Varadkar lacks empathy when he is a doctor.

11-08-2020 02:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh my...what a novel way to ignore the long list of people observing what we are talking about here. Well done JH. Well done.

As i said earlier linking these specific photos to his perceived lack of empathy was just ridiculous.

Superfoods · 11-08-2020 02:53PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Oh my...what a novel way to ignore the long list of people observing what we are talking about here. Well done JH. Well done.

It seems you are arguing against everyone else. Would that alone not suggest to you that you are in the wrong?

Brid Smith of the PBP made a similar mistake before and posted about Leo jacket. Then got hammered on for days. She has left it up and it can be found. So the stupidity of someone to actually repeat the error it is astonishing.

Why exactly are you defending them? are you a member of Sinn Fein?

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 02:55PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I said you defended him. You defended him.

Yes...but not in the knowledge that he had knowingly engaged in victim abuse.

Funny you should mention that case...I made my decision on it by looking at the track record to see if he had a pattern of victim abuse and he didn't. So I questioned why he would suddenly decide to do what he did if it was deliberate.

Same with Leo. There is a definite pattern of behaviour that has been called out by many many more people than me, as I linked to and backed up.

Funny when people challenge me they never point out when I criticise SF...I was one of the first to do it (criticise them) with regard to their insensitivity and mishandling at the funeral.

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 02:55PM

jh79 wrote: »

As i said earlier linking these specific photos to his perceived lack of empathy was just ridiculous.

Not if you believe it isn't a perception, it isn't.

jm08 · 11-08-2020 03:02PM

Ush1 wrote: »

There's a grand irony about ne'er do wells saying Varadkar lacks empathy when he is a doctor.

A non-practising doctor. Who says doctors automatically have empathy anyway. When you look at the way some of the women in the cervical smear scandal were treated by their doctors you would certainly question their ability to empathise with them.

SafeSurfer · 11-08-2020 03:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes...but not in the knowledge that he had knowingly engaged in victim abuse.

Funny you should mention that case...I made my decision on it by looking at the track record to see if he had a pattern of victim abuse and he didn't. So I questioned why he would suddenly decide to do what he did if it was deliberate.

Same with Leo. There is a definite pattern of behaviour that has been called out by many many more people than me, as I linked to and backed up.

Funny when people challenge me they never point out when I criticise SF...I was one of the first to do it (criticise them) with regard to their insensitivity and mishandling at the funeral.

Oh really? I assumed it was just your usual slavish defence of all things Sinn Fein.

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 03:12PM

jm08 wrote: »

A non-practising doctor. Who says doctors automatically have empathy anyway. When you look at the way some of the women in the cervical smear scandal were treated by their doctors you would certainly question their ability to empathise with them.

Didn't Leo himself excuse his insensitivity by attributing it to him being a 'doctor'?

11-08-2020 03:13PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not if you believe it isn't a perception, it isn't.

So why do you believe the photos of him having dinner and buying shoes contribute to pattern of lacking empathy?

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 03:13PM

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Oh really? I assumed it was just your usual slavish defence of all things Sinn Fein.

I think you missed something in that post.

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 03:19PM

jh79 wrote: »

So why do you believe the photos of him having dinner and buying shoes contribute to pattern of lacking empathy?

Because I ask myself...at a time when everyone else is having to curtail themselves socially why is the Taniste plastering photo's of himself leading a normal life over social media?

It's the 'look at me' nature of them, which would be silly on their own, the type of thing you see on FB and Twitter all the time, but which when coupled with all the other stuff, depicts somebody who has issues.

Should politicians be more sensitive about this stuff...yes in my opinion...SF included.

11-08-2020 03:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Because I ask myself...at a time when everyone else is having to curtail themselves socially why is the Taniste plastering photo's of himself leading a normal life over social media?

It's the 'look at me' nature of them, which would be silly on their own, the type of thing you see on FB and Twitter all the time, but which when coupled with all the other stuff, depicts somebody who has issues.

Should politicians be more sensitive about this stuff...yes in my opinion...SF included.

They didn't open the restaurant specifically for him. Lots of people were socializing while respecting regulations at the time and helping the economy in the process.

FrancieBrady · 11-08-2020 03:35PM

jh79 wrote: »

They didn't open the restaurant specifically for him. Lots of people were socializing while respecting regulations at the time and helping the economy in the process.

When are you going to accept the point of view that all that is fine...if you cancel out the more serious instances?

Stop with the dis-ingenuousness.

It isn't just me that has observed this about him.

My final word for now is... if you are a FGer...get on to HQ and have Leo locked away for a period, like you did with with Harris and Murphy and Enda because Leo will take you back to 21% territory.

JohnnyFlash · 11-08-2020 03:39PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When are you going to accept the point of view that all that is fine...if you cancel out the more serious instances?

Stop with the dis-ingenuousness.

It isn't just me that has observed this about him.

My final word for now is... if you are a FGer...get on to HQ and have Leo locked away for a period, like you did with with Harris and Murphy and Enda because Leo will take you back to 21% territory.

Nah, dude. The guy has a 75% approval rating. Your fantasies aren’t reality.

Truthvader · 11-08-2020 03:45PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What?

FF and FG spent most of the last 100 yrs turning a blind eye to what was going on in NI when Irish people were getting beaten of the streets and shot. (call it killing or murder, whatever)

Still do unless there is political gain for them in something that has gone on.

100% absolute falsity and nonsense.

The situation in Northern Ireland consumed domestic politics from 1969 onwards. Apart from mistakes such as the "arms trial" effort to add more guns to the situation every administration put huge effort into finding and implementing any solution that would distract Gerry Adams and the crew from their dedication to murder and savagery as a solution or would persuade the unionist majority either to consider a united Ireland or some kind of power sharing arrangement. The united Ireland solution was put back 100 years by the campaign of murder while the "power sharing" has largely failed as the two sides are not enthusiastic to share anything. At least the murder campaign seems to be over.

What the Sinn Fein cheer leaders probably mean is that FF/FG did not support the Sinn Fein/IRA blood and death "solution" in some kind of military adventure. This of course worked out so well for the Argentinians in 1982

padd b1975 · 11-08-2020 03:46PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

How in the name of Jesus was Louise O’Reilly demoted from the health portfolio in favour of Free State Bastards Cullinane?

The guy is a gombeen.

They obviously don't want to go anywhere near that particular piece of heavy lifting if they get into government.

Much more sensible to stick a clown like Cullinane in there while still in the bleachers and let him fire off a few brickbats safe in the knowledge that any potential government partner wouldn't entertain him being anywhere near cabinet.

hatrickpatrick · 11-08-2020 03:50PM

Niallof9 wrote: »

brilliantly put markodaly

In any other country a SF party with their structure and ideals and blood on their hands would be probably a right wing party. i mean a real left wing party would admit to all the structures etc. Cloak and daggers is normally the rights way. You can't be outraged when you are making the hard decisions.

This is exactly the problem with Irish politics - ye’re all so obsessed with means that you’re entirely ignoring ideology and intended ends. What defines a left or right wing party is not how they behave, it’s what they believe in. Sinn Fein believes in the state guaranteeing a quality of life for its citizens, therefore they are economically a left wing party. Fine Gael believe in allowing the free market to dictate the quality of life for citizens - come what may - and therefore they are economically a right wing party. Their structure, means, etc are entirely irrelevant to defining where they sit on the economic left-right spectrum - and what seems to be so alarming to those who support right wing economics is the fact that an entire generation of young voters more or less has fundamentally turned against right wing economics to the extent that they are willing to overlook a party’s past crimes and allegations of an undemocratic structure because, ultimately, as long as they get their left wing economic policies and an and to stagflation, they simply don’t care who is introducing those policies.

That’s what’s really happening here. Establishment supporters are freaking out because they’re being forced to concentrate on policy and ideology alone. They bring up the personalities and behaviors of politicians only to discover that the people they’re debating with don’t care. This is a marked departure from how Irish politics has generally operated before this decade and those who are used to playing by those rules have no idea how to operate in the new paradigm they and their politicians have created.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: we now have a generation of young people who would vote for a serial killing paedophile dropout over a straight A student with a PhD if the latter supported neoliberal economics and the former believes in government intervention to stop the stagflation that’s been going on. And none of you seem to have grasped this yet. To this generation, policy is the only thing that matters - policy here, now, today. That’s it. Someone who seems to genuinely want to address the growing gulf between average income and the cost of living will get a vote over someone who wants to let the market dictate peoples’ lives. It doesn’t matter who those people are. A left wing Josef Fritzl would get a vote over a right wing Florence Nightingale if this cohort of voters were given that option.

I don’t want to keep linking to the same news stories over and over again but the financial times article I’ve linked before which analysed this year’s general election summed it up perfectly - he cost of housing has soared by more than 40% in three years while the average income has risen by, IIRC, 14%. In that paradigm, it shouldn’t be hard to understand why so many voters care about this and only this when deciding who to vote for!

markodaly · 11-08-2020 04:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again the Huff and the complete lack of awareness that it isn't just me who has observed this:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Leo+Varadkar%27s+lack+of+empathy&oq=Leo+Varadkar%27s+lack+of+empathy&aqs=chrome..69i57.179330j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Oh, a URL of a Google Search... is that supposed to be proof of something?

Hmm, let's see if we can play that game.

So, you searched about Leo and his lack of empathy comes to 118k results
Meanwhile, if I type in the words "Gerry Adams Murderer" we get a whopping 1.5 million results!!

I guess more than 15 times the number of people 'observes' that Gerry Adams is an actual murderer.

markodaly · 11-08-2020 04:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Go back and find the post were I said...'If McElduff was explicitly targetting the Kingsmill victims' then he needed to go and he and SF needed to apologise. I even said a person doing something like that deliberately should face a prison sentence'.

I remember when SF sacked him, you were terribly upset and called out the 'Whingers and moaners' who got him the boot. Very upset you were....

Now bull****ting away to your previous posts on the matter.

Yeah_Right · 11-08-2020 04:22PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This is exactly the problem with Irish politics - ye’re all so obsessed with means that you’re entirely ignoring ideology and intended ends. What defines a left or right wing party is not how they behave, it’s what they believe in. Sinn Fein believes in the state guaranteeing a quality of life for its citizens, therefore they are economically a left wing party. Fine Gael believe in allowing the free market to dictate the quality of life for citizens - come what may - and therefore they are economically a right wing party. Their structure, means, etc are entirely irrelevant to defining where they sit on the economic left-right spectrum - and what seems to be so alarming to those who support right wing economics is the fact that an entire generation of young voters more or less has fundamentally turned against right wing economics to the extent that they are willing to overlook a party’s past crimes and allegations of an undemocratic structure because, ultimately, as long as they get their left wing economic policies and an and to stagflation, they simply don’t care who is introducing those policies.

That’s what’s really happening here. Establishment supporters are freaking out because they’re being forced to concentrate on policy and ideology alone. They bring up the personalities and behaviors of politicians only to discover that the people they’re debating with don’t care. This is a marked departure from how Irish politics has generally operated before this decade and those who are used to playing by those rules have no idea how to operate in the new paradigm they and their politicians have created.

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: we now have a generation of young people who would vote for a serial killing paedophile dropout over a straight A student with a PhD if the latter supported neoliberal economics and the former believes in government intervention to stop the stagflation that’s been going on. And none of you seem to have grasped this yet. To this generation, policy is the only thing that matters - policy here, now, today. That’s it. Someone who seems to genuinely want to address the growing gulf between average income and the cost of living will get a vote over someone who wants to let the market dictate peoples’ lives. It doesn’t matter who those people are. A left wing Josef Fritzl would get a vote over a right wing Florence Nightingale if this cohort of voters were given that option.

I don’t want to keep linking to the same news stories over and over again but the financial times article I’ve linked before which analysed this year’s general election summed it up perfectly - he cost of housing has soared by more than 40% in three years while the average income has risen by, IIRC, 14%. In that paradigm, it shouldn’t be hard to understand why so many voters care about this and only this when deciding who to vote for!

Going by what you have written here, this young generation of SF voters have no morals. They don't care about anyone but themselves. As long as a party gives them what they want, that party could line up everyone else and have them shot. Maybe they will start with capitalists, then journalists. Who would be next?

I guess that explains why they would vote for SF. After all SF thought murder and terrorism was a legitimate means to an end. Is that the next step? Free houses or bombs go off! Random shootings until healthcare improves!

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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