Masks

Sconsey · 11-08-2020 01:59PM

No: other

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Daily press briefings.

When implies the time..the date. When did he say that? But of course you know that and are just trying to avoid answering the question you have been asked.

joeguevara · 11-08-2020 01:59PM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Good lad. You can either argue my points or try and belittle me for a few measly thanks and internet points. You decide.

You were quite happy to back up a poster who made a point about people getting a hard on for masks but start crying when its put back on you. People have shown studies and facts of masks reducing transmissions. You haven't. Very difficult to argue against cliches.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 11-08-2020 01:59PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Tork wrote: »

I aim not denying they said these things. I want a ballpark date.

I honestly don’t know. It’s from a montage video, at a guess I would say they said these things April/May.

MadYaker · 11-08-2020 02:01PM

Yes: surgical

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I honestly don’t know. It’s from a montage video, at a guess I would say they said these things April/May.

And what are they saying now?

dwayneshintzy · 11-08-2020 02:01PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I honestly don’t know. It’s from a montage video, at a guess I would say they said these things April/May.

OK. Since you cite Tony Holohan; what's he saying now?

Sconsey · 11-08-2020 02:03PM

No: other

Hunky Monster wrote: »

I honestly don’t know. It’s from a montage video, at a guess I would say they said these things April/May.

Ahh it makes more sense now, you are the kind who get your information from 'montage videos', the actual scientific studies better take a backseat.

Tork · 11-08-2020 02:03PM

Yes: to protect others

Exactly. These things were said months ago, when less was known about the virus and how it is transmitted . Professor Luke O'Neill initially said the was no need for masks (think he said this in February and there is a video of it). He has since changed his mind based on the research done since.

Simon Harris has changed his mind too, again based on newer information

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1292859864251658240?s=19

robinph · 11-08-2020 02:03PM

No: I don't care enough

Hunky Monster wrote: »

They’re addicted to the hype and terror around coronavirus. They’ve completely lost their mind when it comes to the survival rate which is 98/99% and of those 1/2% were old/vulnerable people.

You agree to wear mandatory masks today you’re agreeing to that for the rest of their lives or until they’re FORCED to take a vaccine.

No thanks.

So your happy for the population who would otherwise have had many more years to live to instead be killed of early because you can't be arsed to wear a mask. Yes, a large proportion of the people who have died have other underlying conditions, but medical science has managed to find ways to keep them alive. Should all of that be thrown away because you have an issue with being told to do something incredibly minor for the social good?

Due to other conditions I would have died a several decades ago if not for some fancy drugs and technology (and the sacrifices of a few dogs along the way). I'm at significantly higher risk from Covid killing me off, but without that there is no reason that the drugs and technology won't keep me alive for another half century quite easily.

Is my life worthy of you sticking a mask over your face when going into a shop?

pjohnson · 11-08-2020 02:06PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Ahh it makes more sense now, you are the kind who get your information from 'montage videos', the actual scientific studies better take a backseat.

Science is no match for "critical thinkers" and the "research" they do.

extra gravy · 11-08-2020 02:25PM

Tork wrote: »

Exactly. These things were said months ago, when less was known about the virus and how it is transmitted . Professor Luke O'Neill initially said the was no need for masks (think he said this in February and there is a video of it). He has since changed his mind based on the research done since.

Simon Harris has changed his mind too, again based on newer information

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1292859864251658240?s=19

It's almost as if scientific advice can change as more research is carried out. Imagine that!

i_surge · 11-08-2020 02:56PM

Tork wrote: »

Exactly. These things were said months ago, when less was known about the virus and how it is transmitted . Professor Luke O'Neill initially said the was no need for masks (think he said this in February and there is a video of it). He has since changed his mind based on the research done since.

Simon Harris has changed his mind too, again based on newer information

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1292859864251658240?s=19

"Don't be a jerk"

Is that parliamentary language? Hard enough to fight the race to the bottom for english without this muppet spreading it like a virus.

i_surge · 11-08-2020 02:59PM

extra gravy wrote: »

It's almost as if scientific advice can change as more research is carried out. Imagine that!

They have no excuse, mask wearing was clear as day common sense since March. The precautionary principle is ancient wisdom, no need for research.

It is beyond pathetic that it took 6 months for Europe to adopt masks.

odyssey06 · 11-08-2020 03:01PM

i_surge wrote: »

"Don't be a jerk"
Is that parliamentary language? Hard enough to fight the race to the bottom for english without this muppet spreading it like a virus.

Stay off Twitter if you only want to see parliamentary language ... as a soundbite it works.

i_surge · 11-08-2020 03:06PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Stay off Twitter if you only want to see parliamentary language ... as a soundbite it works.

I'm not on twitter and this is our Health Minister, not a 15 minutes of fame influencer.

Tork · 11-08-2020 03:10PM

Yes: to protect others

Isn't Stephen Donnelly now the minister for health?

odyssey06 · 11-08-2020 03:10PM

i_surge wrote: »

I'm not on twitter and this is our Health Minister, not a 15 minutes of fame influencer.

You seem to have a few misconceptions.
First, Twitter isn't only used by fame influencers.
And he's not our Health Minister anymore though he is a minister...
If he's not on Twitter, others will be there putting across their soundbite views without being challenged.

I'd be perfectly happy to live in a world without Twitter.
But it is there now and it isn't going away.

Overheal · 11-08-2020 03:27PM

No: I don't care enough

Duke University study confirms the efficacy of face masks - but warns against the use of N95 with relief valves/cool-flow features, and critically they warn against spandex style neck gaiters which actually did worse than no mask at all in their study, they believe it was aerosolizing droplets into even smaller droplets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mask-test-duke-covid/2020/08/10/4f2bb888-db18-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

As for wearing your mask outside and hiking or whatever, Joe Biden could do it in the heat on his bike. I mean. Use the surgical masks for that, the 2+ layered cloth masks constrict airflow more and block a bit less than the surgical mask, which I’ve posted video before of a guy jogging in 38 C heat with at least 10 of them on his face. We’ve personally worn the cloth masks outdoors at times for light hiking but I wouldn’t be wanting to do anything strenuous in one, I would opt for the surgeons mask.

odyssey06 · 11-08-2020 03:31PM

Overheal wrote: »

Duke University study confirms the efficacy of face masks - but warns against the use of N95 with relief valves/cool-flow features, and critically they warn against spandex style neck gaiters which actually did worse than no mask at all in their study, they believe it was aerosolizing droplets into even smaller droplets.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mask-test-duke-covid/2020/08/10/4f2bb888-db18-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

That's paywalled for me, there is a Sky news summary of it here:
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-which-face-covering-works-best-scientists-test-14-and-find-one-actually-increases-risk-of-infection-12046715

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 11-08-2020 03:35PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

Tork wrote: »

Exactly. These things were said months ago, when less was known about the virus and how it is transmitted . Professor Luke O'Neill initially said the was no need for masks (think he said this in February and there is a video of it). He has since changed his mind based on the research done since.

Simon Harris has changed his mind too, again based on newer information

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1292859864251658240?s=19

Can't believe he used the word jerk, cringing for him

begbysback · 11-08-2020 03:37PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Overheal wrote: »

Duke University study confirms the efficacy of face masks - but warns against the use of N95 with relief valves/cool-flow features, and critically they warn against spandex style neck gaiters which actually did worse than no mask at all in their study, they believe it was aerosolizing droplets into even smaller droplets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mask-test-duke-covid/2020/08/10/4f2bb888-db18-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

As for wearing your mask outside and hiking or whatever, Joe Biden could do it in the heat on his bike. I mean. Use the surgical masks for that, the 2+ layered cloth masks constrict airflow more and block a bit less than the surgical mask, which I’ve posted video before of a guy jogging in 38 C heat with at least 10 of them on his face. We’ve personally worn the cloth masks outdoors at times for light hiking but I wouldn’t be wanting to do anything strenuous in one, I would opt for the surgeons mask.

This N95 sounds boss, where can I get these?

Tork · 11-08-2020 03:44PM

Yes: to protect others

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Can't believe he used the word jerk, cringing for him

Easier to seize on that word than the message, eh?

Overheal · 11-08-2020 03:44PM

No: I don't care enough

begbysback wrote: »

This N95 sounds boss, where can I get these?

Hardware store

dwayneshintzy · 11-08-2020 03:44PM

Yes: to protect myself and others

Overheal wrote: »

Duke University study confirms the efficacy of face masks - but warns against the use of N95 with relief valves/cool-flow features, and critically they warn against spandex style neck gaiters which actually did worse than no mask at all in their study, they believe it was aerosolizing droplets into even smaller droplets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/wellness/mask-test-duke-covid/2020/08/10/4f2bb888-db18-11ea-b205-ff838e15a9a6_story.html

As for wearing your mask outside and hiking or whatever, Joe Biden could do it in the heat on his bike. I mean. Use the surgical masks for that, the 2+ layered cloth masks constrict airflow more and block a bit less than the surgical mask, which I’ve posted video before of a guy jogging in 38 C heat with at least 10 of them on his face. We’ve personally worn the cloth masks outdoors at times for light hiking but I wouldn’t be wanting to do anything strenuous in one, I would opt for the surgeons mask.

Honestly, once you get to a certain level of exertion, the surgical masks aren't great either.

Masks required at all times in public places where I am now (inside or outside), including for exercise, and ever day at least 30 degrees. First day under the measures I thought I'd try some sprints instead of a longer run; plan was 1:00 flat out, 2:00 off, 10 times. Couldn't actually run more than about 30 seconds though, as it was impossible to draw deep breaths and get my breath back. Just ended up doing 30 second sprints instead, and have done longer but slower runs since.

fr336 · 11-08-2020 03:46PM

Yes: surgical

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Older/vulnerable people should be supported and cocoon. They should be encouraged to wear masks out and about and cocoon where necessary.

The rest of us need to get back to normal.

But people like you spent months arguing that masks on their own dont work. You need the community wearing one to prevent spread. Most people will wear a mask so their parents and grandparents dont die. Anyone over 60 is at risk, and even when you get to your 50s the risk increases exponentially. Very childish and soft minority who cant tolerate the mild inconvenice of masks

fr336 · 11-08-2020 03:48PM

Yes: surgical

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Good lad. You can either argue my points or try and belittle me for a few measly thanks and internet points. You decide.

I think the poster realised you had no points to be argued with.

rubadub · 11-08-2020 03:56PM

Gentleman Off The Pitch wrote: »

Can't believe he used the word jerk, cringing for him

He probably would have got a slap on the wrist if he said wanker.

Seanachai · 11-08-2020 03:56PM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Sorry but I'm not really following what you mean here......satisfaction on whose part?

Satisfaction on the part of those who want to see others coerced into wearing masks.

granturismo · 11-08-2020 04:03PM

No: other

Tork wrote: »

Exactly. These things were said months ago, when less was known about the virus and how it is transmitted . Professor Luke O'Neill initially said the was no need for masks (think he said this in February and there is a video of it). He has since changed his mind based on the research done since.

Simon Harris has changed his mind too, again based on newer information

https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1292859864251658240?s=19

Take what Luke O'Neill says with a pinch of salt. His appetite for self promotion knows no end. He was at a conferences abroad when one of the renowned attendees said this strange virus was going to be worse than SARS and MERS, yet Luke headed off afterwards to the US in early March and while he was there, a research lab in his department was closed due to a covid case.

In June, he repeated Boris' analogy that we had this virus against the ropes and were beating it.

odyssey06 · 11-08-2020 04:04PM

Seanachai wrote: »

Satisfaction on the part of those who want to see others coerced into wearing masks.

Only if they have bad breath, or are prone to dropping saliva everywhere they go. That's just on general principles.

* My response is flippant because the satisfaction you allude to has nothing to do with the reasons why masks are being introduced or their merits or any particular post on this thread from someone advocating their mandatory use

Elmer Blooker · 11-08-2020 04:13PM

fr336 wrote: »

But people like you spent months arguing that masks on their own dont work. You need the community wearing one to prevent spread. Most people will wear a mask so their parents and grandparents dont die. Anyone over 60 is at risk, and even when you get to your 50s the risk increases exponentially. Very childish and soft minority who cant tolerate the mild inconvenice of masks

If your parents and grandparents are reasonably healthy and independent with no underlying health conditions they'll be fine.
'Anyone' over 60 being at risk is just scaremongering, most people in their 60s are healthy if they look after themselves and most do.
I'll skip the bit about those in their 50s.

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