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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves


    AdamD wrote: »
    So do Oxford..

    So the Russians, the Chinese, or...the Brits :pac:

    Irish people specialise in gullibility and the media sez that Russians are untrustworthy but others are trustworthy. So whichever non-Russian country produces a concoction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Not disagreeing with you but the only link i opened was someone saying they wore masks in a salon for a day and nobody got it. there must be better links than that.

    Those links were good, here is a list of a few more studies (list is over a month old now, could probably be updated. Another good one here.

    There are loads linked throughout this in the Masks thread.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    US2 wrote: »
    Closed off the whole country for an entire month yet schools still have to close. It's going to be a waste of time sending our kids back to school in a few weeks.

    We are at the stage now as parents where we don't think it's worth the risk to send our daughter back. We've both discussed it and home schooling is a more likely outcome at this stage considering the lack of preparation from the department and government for reopening.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How's Ireland's efforts coming along? Genuinely don't know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    How's Ireland's efforts coming along? Genuinely don't know.

    How's Vietnam? Did they control it again?


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  • Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Well they're about to roll out a million doses as part of the most ambitious phase III trial in history so we'll know in a couple of months!

    So so dangerous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    How's Ireland's efforts coming along? Genuinely don't know.

    Disastrous. Government on holiday believe it or not and a lot of teachers iv'e spoken directly with aren't confident they will be safe given massive class sizes and outdated schools.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,050 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Disastrous. Government on holiday believe it or not and a lot of teachers iv'e spoken directly with aren't confident they will be safe given massive class sizes and outdated schools.

    yea im seriously fearing the school situation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭Billgirlylegs


    The Russians are an incredible people. If this vaccine was developed in the UK, the US or Germany this would be leading the news worldwide.

    This is really big news but because of the anti Russia phobia that western media pushes on it's people it's viewed as some sort of negative when i fact this could be the beginning of the end of this virus.

    Putin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    yea im seriously fearing the school situation

    Good thing is we get to see how Scotland does for two weeks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭virginmediapls


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Not disagreeing with you but the only link i opened was someone saying they wore masks in a salon for a day and nobody got it. there must be better links than that.

    Why did you only click one link? ;)

    I did a range of different types of articles, catering for all types of complete gowls.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Putin

    What about him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    RE: The Creche, seem to be more asymptomatic cases.
    Either the virus has weakened or we're picking up way more asymptomatic cases than before. The meat factories had loads of 'em aswell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    yea im seriously fearing the school situation

    Why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Why did you only click one link? ;)

    I did a range of different types of articles, catering for all types of complete gowls.


    Love that word


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    RE: The Creche, seem to be more asymptomatic cases.
    Either the virus has weakened or we're picking up way more asymptomatic cases than before. The meat factories had loads of 'em aswell.

    And they suddenly realized the virus was never that bad.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    How's Vietnam? Did they control it again?

    I was asking if Ireland was developing a vaccine..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Not sure if mentioned earlier, but the dashboard has 21 in hospital, with just 1 admission in last 24 hours. Mistake? Last night it was 14 people.

    Edit: as soon as I submitted that post, it went down to 14 on the dashboard...

    Unless it's to do with Naas Hospital
    Longing wrote: »
    Covid-19 outbreak recorded on ward at Naas General Hospital
    Cleaning staff looks like brought it into the hospital.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-outbreak-recorded-on-ward-at-naas-general-hospital-1.4327468


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,050 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Onesea wrote: »
    Why?

    im not convinced we can truly prepare for reopening in time, if at all, due to class sizes, and some of our buildings are old and poorly designed for such a situation. im also not convinced kids are less likely to contagion compared to adults, hopefully im wrong about everything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Love that word

    If we have a lockdown for Galway, Offaly, Limerick, Westmeath we're calling it GOWL


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    RE: The Creche, seem to be more asymptomatic cases.
    Either the virus has weakened or we're picking up way more asymptomatic cases than before. The meat factories had loads of 'em aswell.

    It really is looking like the virus is weakening. Although I would imagine that it is continually being tested and scientists would know by now if it were.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    polesheep wrote: »
    It really is looking like the virus is weakening. Although I would imagine that it is continually being tested and scientists would know by now if it were.

    More likely stronger healthier people are getting it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Unless it's to do with Naas Hospital

    Guess we'll find out this evening


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Latest ECDC assessment of masks. Of course don't click on it if you think your opinion is as important as the weight of scientific evidence.
    Wouldn't want to read something that conflicts with your believe system.

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/sites/default/files/documents/covid-19-rapid-risk-assessment-20200810.pdf

    One of the main studies quoted.

    https://www.iza.org/publications/dp/13319/face-masks-considerably-reduce-covid-19-cases-in-germany-a-synthetic-control-method-approach
    We use the synthetic control method to analyze the effect of face masks on the spread of Covid-19 in Germany. Our identification approach exploits regional variation in the point in time when face masks became compulsory. Depending on the region we analyse, we find that face masks reduced the cumulative number of registered Covid-19 cases between 2.3% and 13% over a period of 10 days after they became compulsory. Assessing the credibility of the various estimates, we conclude that face masks reduce the daily growth rate of reported infections by around 40%.

    There is increasing evidence showing the effect of face masks for the prevention of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. In
    a recent systematic review, Chu et al. determined that on average there was more than a five-fold reduction of
    the transmission risk, from 17.4% with no face mask to 3.1% with a face mask (e.g. N95, surgical, or 12-16
    layer cotton mask) [55]. In healthcare settings, stronger positive associations have been found with the use of
    FFP2 respirators than with the use of medical masks or similar. In addition, several other studies on the use of
    either medical or non-medical face masks in the community have provided evidence on the efficacy of this
    measure at individual [60-62] and population level [63,64]. The evidence shows that wearing masks is not only
    effective in reducing the spread of the virus through respiratory secretions (source control), but also in protecting
    the individuals that wear them correctly from contracting COVID-19.

    Based on the available evidence, implementing the use of face masks in the community when physical distancing
    cannot be guaranteed should be strongly considered, both indoors (e.g. supermarkets, shops and public
    transport) and in overcrowded outdoor situations, in areas with increased incidence of COVID-19.
    The key to the effectiveness of using face masks in the community is good compliance [65], and proper and
    rational recommendations (unnecessary in non-crowded, well-ventilated open spaces), which can be improved by
    means of appropriate risk communication methods. Concerns that mandatory face mask usage would generate a
    false sense of security that could decrease adherence to other types of protective behaviour, such as physical
    distancing, have been shown to be unfounded in several studies [67,68]. The decision to issue a strong national
    recommendation or make the use of face masks mandatory in community settings should take into account the
    local context, the availability of face masks for the public (which should not compromise the availability of face
    masks for health and social care workers), the socio-political situation and resources available to monitor the
    implementation of any mandatory measure.
    Nevertheless, the use of masks in the community should not be considered as the main single cover-all measure,
    but should be combined with other essential measures, particularly respiratory etiquette. Recently Hong Kong,
    which has a long-standing mask-wearing culture, faced a second wave of COVID-19 infection attributed to
    increased contact between persons, importations and limited capacity to isolate confirmed cases [69].


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    More likely stronger healthier people are getting it

    But surely they would pass it on to weaker people?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 215 ✭✭Ce he sin


    Onesea wrote: »
    And they suddenly realized the virus was never that bad.


    Really? Tell that to someone in, say, Bergamo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    RE: The Creche, seem to be more asymptomatic cases.
    Either the virus has weakened or we're picking up way more asymptomatic cases than before. The meat factories had loads of 'em aswell.

    Are the cases asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic though? They may be asymptomatic at the time of testing but unfortunately we don't really get the follow up information on how people's condition progresses a number of days later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    JazzyJ wrote: »
    Are the cases asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic though? They may be asymptomatic at the time of testing but unfortunately we don't really get the follow up information on how people's condition progresses a number of days later.

    We do through the hospital figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    RE: The Creche, seem to be more asymptomatic cases.
    Either the virus has weakened or we're picking up way more asymptomatic cases than before. The meat factories had loads of 'em aswell.

    I'm not up to speed with the creche story, but the meat factories they are doin blanket testing in them so you will pick up a lot of asymptomatic cases. Not sure theres any evidence of it weakening just yet, there was always speculated to be a large amount of asymptomatic cases.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    froog wrote: »
    I'm not up to speed with the creche story, but the meat factories they are doin blanket testing in them so you will pick up a lot of asymptomatic cases. Not sure theres any evidence of it weakening just yet, there was always speculated to be a large amount of asymptomatic cases.

    Yes, but as I said earlier, they would be expected to pass it on to weaker people and yet we are not seeing the numbers in hospitals or, thankfully, deaths.


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