Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Itssoeasy

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nope but 50s not bad esp if most cases still in LOK

Well the acting CMO said it would be next week until we'd likely see the result of the lockdown. I mean at least it's not going back up. It's gone from 174 to 68 to two days in the fifties. I mean once it doesnt start going back up hopefully the lockdown in the midlands will see it drop.

polesheep

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

Santy2015

polesheep wrote: »

"And hopefully we’ll have an effective vaccine just like the flu."

The above is the comment I replied to. Hence the flu reference.

It’s the probably the best solution in the short term until they get a vaccine that knocks it out completely!!

Hector Savage

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Geez that out break in New Zealand is an eye opener . Considering their approach, how are they getting another out break, even they can't figure it out .

Just goes to show you how this "zero covid" approach is completely unrealistic.

They are going to shut down their economy now because of 4 cases .... nuts

Itssoeasy

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Geez that out break in New Zealand is an eye opener . Considering their approach, how are they getting another out break, even they can't figure it out .

It'll be interesting to see if the authorities in New Zealand can work out how they got those positives outside those already in quarantine.

Santy2015

Hector Savage wrote: »

Just goes to show you how this "zero covid" approach is completely unrealistic.

They are going to shut down their economy now because of 4 cases .... nuts

The economy of their biggest city as well. Zero Covid is seriously flawed! Unless the government shut down everything and I mean everything for one month and borrow enough to pay everybody’s wages and cover the costs of businesses closing for that month or so, then zero Covid bullS**t will never happen

ACitizenErased

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576?s=20

Danzy

polesheep wrote: »

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

It may have, it may be less lethal with higher vitamin d levels, may be better medical understanding.

May be all of that and more.

polesheep

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the acting CMO said it would be next week until we'd likely see the result of the lockdown. I mean at least it's not going back up. It's gone from 174 to 68 to two days in the fifties. I mean once it doesnt start going back up hopefully the lockdown in the midlands will see it drop.

So, we let it into the nursing homes where it went rampant and killed many. We reacted with a lockdown of the general public. At the same time we stopped it entering the nursing homes. So when the nursing home deaths ceased the lockdown was hailed (nothing to do with protecting the nursing homes of course). Now, with the meat plant workers targeted we also go into a lockdown of the general public and as the numbers from the meat plants drop we will be told yet again that it was the lockdown of the general public that achieved it and not the measures to deal with the meat plants. And still people believe this propaganda.

hmmm

polesheep wrote: »

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

That's not backed up by any scientific evidence. The only significant mutation so far has enabled it to spread faster.

polesheep

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see if the authorities in New Zealand can work out how they got those positives outside those already in quarantine.

Possibly the most interesting Covid-19 related thing on the planet right now.

blowitupref

ACitizenErased wrote: »

LATEST TESTING UPDATE

Tests conducted last 24 hours: 3937
Tests conducted last 7 days: 30372
Additional positive tests: 53
Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.7%

Unless they add in backlog cases we should see under the 57 cases from yesterday.

polesheep

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576?s=20

Thankfully, it looks like the staff were following good PPE protocols.

Itssoeasy

polesheep wrote: »

So, we let it into the nursing homes where it went rampant and killed many. We reacted with a lockdown of the general public. At the same time we stopped it entering the nursing homes. So when the nursing home deaths ceased the lockdown was hailed (nothing to do with protecting the nursing homes of course). Now, with the meat plant workers targeted we also go into a lockdown of the general public and as the numbers from the meat plants drop we will be told yet again that it was the lockdown of the general public that achieved it and not the measures to deal with the meat plants. And still people believe this propaganda.

Your issue is with the public health team chief not me.

Jim_Hodge

polesheep wrote: »

And Covid-19 may already have mutated. It certainly seems to have become less lethal.

There's no indication of any notable mutation in the virus to suggest that. But then 'may' covers a multitude.

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

That's not backed up by any scientific evidence. The only significant mutation so far has enabled it to spread faster.

There is precious little scientific evidence at all at this early stage of the disease. Some doctors and scientists, however, have always said that the figures to watch are the hospitalisations and deaths as they are strong indicators of a weakening virus. Of course, no on can know for sure, but it's in our nature to speculate.;)

caveat emptor

Nice explainer of symptoms in NY times. Highlights what's rare vs common.

Mental Mickey

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576?s=20

F**k, f**k, and f**k again. I live around the corner from that hospital.

KrustyUCC

blowitupref wrote: »

Unless they add in backlog cases we should see under the 57 cases from yesterday.

Is there a backlog?

There really shouldn't be at this stage

polesheep

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

There's no indication of any notable mutation in the virus to suggest that. But then 'may' covers a multitude.

There is no real indication of any mutation at all as checking for one is a painstaking process that lags what is actually happening in the real world. 'May' does indeed cover a multitude, but looking at the figures for hospitalisations and deaths it can be said that something may be happening.

hmmm

polesheep wrote: »

Some doctors and scientists, however, have always said that the figures to watch are the hospitalisations and deaths as they are strong indicators of a weakening virus.

The main contribution to reducing hospitalisations and ultimately deaths are the actions taken to stop the virus spreading.

If there was some weaker strain circulating it would be picked up in our Covid testing.

Drumpot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i536vS3z3e8

Lots of technical talk but in summary, T cell response may be more important then natural immunity (That may not last too long) and masks are not just important to protect others from you but evidence is emerging that they potentially reduce viral load that people inhale and that could explain asymptotic cases. Example used was two cruises (diamond princess v an attic cruise ship).

If you find this video good you should watch some of the other videos. They are all from a medical POV , links to all their sources and non emotive discussions. Much better source then any news media outlet that’s regularly filtered garbage or propaganda.

DebDynamite

polesheep wrote: »

But that was at the start. Hospital numbers have been steady for quite a while now.

I know that. I’m agreeing with what you’re saying. My point was we were were hospitalizing people who now wouldn’t require it. So the overall number is higher than it really should be and isn’t painting the full picture of how serious (or not) the virus was.

Jim_Hodge

polesheep wrote: »

There is no real indication of any mutation at all as checking for one is a painstaking process that lags what is actually happening in the real world. 'May' does indeed cover a multitude, but looking at the figures for hospitalisations and deaths it can be said that something may be happening.

We're managing the spread to vulnerable people, using more effective treatment, and reducing viral load. You're just using supposition.

Paddygreen

Onesea wrote: »

Whats even more crazy, they will call you a fool for pointing out the obvious.

Experts have advised that we lockdown to lock out the deadly virus, I am with the experts, esteemed experts, full time experts with thousands of years of expertise under their belts . Lemsip, hot toddy’s and chicken soup won’t save you amigo, got it? comprende?

lee_baby_simms

Prime Minster of New Zealand

"We have had a 102 days and it was easy to feel New Zealand was out of the woods. No country has gone as far as we did without having a resurgence. And because we were the only ones, we had to plan. And we have planned,"

Interesting to note that all countries that have gone through widespread cases/deaths related to covid haven't had any significant resurgence.

Interesting to see what happens here - has the super effective lockdown with zero community spread simply kicked the can down the road for 102 days?

wadacrack

Drumpot wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i536vS3z3e8

Lots of technical talk for anybody who wants to educate themselves a bit but in summary, T cell response may be more important then natural immunity (That may not last too long) and masks are not just important to protect others from you but evidence is emerging that they potentially reduce viral load that people inhale and that could explain asymptotic cases. Example used was two cruises (diamond princess v an attic cruise ship).

If you find this video good you should watch some of the other videos. They are all from a medical POV , links to all their sources and non emotive discussions. Much better source then any news media outlet that’s regularly filtered garbage or propaganda.

Yea he has been very good. Mike Hansen on Youtube also . Very credible and informative

MOR316

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nice explainer of symptoms in NY times. Highlights what's rare vs common.

Give it a week and an itchy bollocks and an itchy arse will be symptoms

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1293209826953240576

GooglePlus

polesheep wrote: »

There is precious little scientific evidence at all at this early stage of the disease. Some doctors and scientists, however, have always said that the figures to watch are the hospitalisations and deaths as they are strong indicators of a weakening virus. Of course, no on can know for sure, but it's in our nature to speculate.;)

They are able to delve into the genetics of the virus, they know when it changes. Something to do with lipid profiles but it's over my head. It's amazing though.

ACitizenErased

New study into sereprevelance in New York City has come back at 40%.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) is a strain of coronavirus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) and has been declared a global pandemic by the World Health Organization. Total cases of SARS-CoV-2 worldwide exceed 10.2 million, with over 503,000 deaths recorded. Little is known about the body's immune response to SARS-CoV-2 infection. In this paper, we describe SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody responses in 28,523 patients from the New York City metropolitan area and report a SARS-CoV-2 IgG positivity rate of 44%, indicating the widespread nature of the pandemic in the city and state of New York. Additionally, for a subset of patients, we report on the correlation between SARS-CoV-2 patient symptom severity and level of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibody found in the patient sample.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732889320305058?via%3Dihub

Emmersonn

Paddygreen wrote: »

Experts have advised that we lockdown to lock out the deadly virus, I am with the experts, esteemed experts, full time experts with thousands of years of expertise under their belts . Lemsip, hot toddy’s and chicken soup won’t save you amigo, got it? comprende?

And locking in the virus and importing contaminated tourists from hotspot areas will not protect us either

Marty Bird

MOR316 wrote: »

Give it a week and an itchy bollocks and an itchy arse will be symptoms

Hahaha

mr zulu

ACitizenErased wrote: »

New study into sereprevelance in New York City has come back at 40%.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732889320305058?via%3Dihub

Is that good or bad?

growleaves

https://twitter.com/consent_factory/status/1290727230981709827

ACitizenErased

mr zulu wrote: »

Is that good or bad?

Good.

GooglePlus

growleaves wrote: »

https://twitter.com/consent_factory/status/1290727230981709827

5G?

Thierry12

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Prime Minster of New Zealand



Interesting to note that all countries that have gone through widespread cases/deaths related to covid haven't had any significant resurgence.

Interesting to see what happens here - has the super effective lockdown with zero community spread simply kicked the can down the road for 102 days?

Are they going to vaccinate every citizen and visitor

Only way out now

growleaves

Anti-Lockdown, Anti-Mask Protesters Are Getting Arrested in Australia

Two men who organized an anti-mask and anti-lockdown protest in Australia were arrested on Thursday by the Victoria Police Department.

According to an email sent to Newsweek, the department arrested the two men as the protest they organized was "in breach of the Chief Health Officer's directions."

The two men arrested were not named, but the department identified them as a "41-year-old male from Mooroolbark" and a "41-year-old male from Chirnside Park." According to the email sent to Newsweek, the man from Mooroolbark was charged with incitement but was let out on bail and is expected to appear at the Melbourne Magistrates Court on January 21, 2021. The man from Chirnside Park was released "with intent to summons," and, pending investigation, is expected to be charged later today with the same offenses.

Police also seized mobile phones and a computer, while conducting search warrants on both of the men.

The two men organized a protest on Facebook, called the "Freedom Day Celebration" according to 9News in Australia.

Thierry12

ACitizenErased wrote: »

New study into sereprevelance in New York City has come back at 40%.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732889320305058?via%3Dihub

Interesting

New York is as bad as it gets then

Everyone had it

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

The main contribution to reducing hospitalisations and ultimately deaths are the actions taken to stop the virus spreading.

If there was some weaker strain circulating it would be picked up in our Covid testing.

Then how do you explain an increase in cases with no corresponding increase in hospitalisations. And I'm not just referring to Ireland.

Piehead

Could be 350+ cases today

Drumpot

growleaves wrote: »

Anti-Lockdown, Anti-Mask Protesters Are Getting Arrested in Australia

Common sense 1 v 0 moronic Political ideology

ACitizenErased

Latest GP referral data:
Only counties with significant increases in referrals are Offaly, Kildare & Wicklow. Dublin 14 has the highest referral rate in the country in the last survey.
https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2020-08-10_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

What Username Guidelines

Thierry12 wrote: »

Are they going to vaccinate every citizen and visitor

Only way out now

Also, if they contain this one, surely they'll be last in line for a vaccine. The last place in the world to 'need' it, but at the same time, constrained within their country.

polesheep

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

We're managing the spread to vulnerable people, using more effective treatment, and reducing viral load. You're just using supposition.

So are people bringing it home to granny or not?

The numbers that need hospital treatment are low and steady.

And what treatment is being used now that is more effective?

growleaves

Nashville city council member advocates charging people who don’t wear masks with murder, attempted murder

The Tennessee Star is reporting that At-Large Council Member Sharon Hurt last Wednesday was speaking during a virtual meeting of the Joint Public Safety and Health Committee and said that she apparently works for an organization which says “If they pass the virus, then they are tried for murder or attempted murder.”

blowitupref

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Is there a backlog?

There really shouldn't be at this stage

The day we got 174 cases an extra 50 cases was added in from some other day.

polesheep

GooglePlus wrote: »

They are able to delve into the genetics of the virus, they know when it changes. Something to do with lipid profiles but it's over my head. It's amazing though.

Yes, but as I said it is a painstaking process that usually lags behind what is happening on the ground. It will have changed and the effects will have been felt before that changed is measured by scientists.

polesheep

ACitizenErased wrote: »

New study into sereprevelance in New York City has come back at 40%.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0732889320305058?via%3Dihub

Wonderful if true. And could explain a lot of recent occurrences if true for other parts of the world.