How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

gabeeg · 10-08-2020 01:39PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I note that schools in Scotland resume tomorrow. This is their approach so we will have the guts of three weeks to see how it's working for them before our lot go back.

https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/advice-and-guidance/2020/07/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance-preparing-start-new-school-term-august-2020/documents/reopening-schools-guidance-summary-version/reopening-schools-guidance-summary-version/govscot%3Adocument/reopening-schools-guidance-summary-version.pdf

From that link - Keeping all windows and doors open sounds like a very sensible approach and certainly doable on August 18th

But how's that going to pan out on say a stormy day in December on the isle of Skye?

wirelessdude01 · 10-08-2020 01:46PM

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I never thought I'd say this but I am jealous of all your staff meetings. Are you on the management team? How are you at so many meetings? I still havent heard from my principal? We are a huge school and we were past capacity as it was so tbf there would be a huge amount to be trying to figure out but I am getting concerned

We've had 5 days where we've had meetings since the plan was unveiled. We are a single stream primary school so easier to get consensus on things. Not everyone agrees with everything or not everyone can log on every day as life gets in the way.

We had quite alot of work done before we broke up for the summer so now that we have the plan we can properly break it down and amend policies within the school. Policy on sick children and keeping them home is proving a big issue with how to phrase things.

My OH hasn't heard a peep but knows that their ISM is meeting regularly and have been in school trying to put things in place. They just get told as school is too big for general staff to be feeding into it much less parents.

I've fed some of the things that parents have told me at GAA etc back to the principal. Some is included and some is ignored as not feasible or practical in a whole school setting.

khalessi · 10-08-2020 02:19PM

Just see Tesco Staff in Swindon isolating and 51 staff at Iceland in UK tested positive.

teachinggal123 · 10-08-2020 02:24PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Any teacher and/or principal with a modicum of intelligence will keep well away from the talk radio shows.

Yeah, the really intelligent ones spend all day on discussion forums.

wirelessdude01 · 10-08-2020 02:46PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Yeah, the really intelligent ones spend all day on discussion forums.

Ohh, edgy. The intelligent ones also stand up on their own two feet for what is right by their students and don't allow themselves to be dictated to by other staff members. #dorightbyyourstudents

am_zarathustra · 10-08-2020 03:03PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We've had 5 days where we've had meetings since the plan was unveiled. We are a single stream primary school so easier to get consensus on things. Not everyone agrees with everything or not everyone can log on every day as life gets in the way.

We had quite alot of work done before we broke up for the summer so now that we have the plan we can properly break it down and amend policies within the school. Policy on sick children and keeping them home is proving a big issue with how to phrase things.

My OH hasn't heard a peep but knows that their ISM is meeting regularly and have been in school trying to put things in place. They just get told as school is too big for general staff to be feeding into it much less parents.

I've fed some of the things that parents have told me at GAA etc back to the principal. Some is included and some is ignored as not feasible or practical in a whole school setting.

I'm on the SMT and have heard nothing about what we are doing.......I know more about what's going on in a few schools where I know the principals. As with everything left to "local arraignments" or as I like to call it "the whim of the principal", there will be massive variance in implentation. Fundamentally there will be principals who are of the opinion it's only a bit worse than a flu and this will effect their implementation

wirelessdude01 · 10-08-2020 03:08PM

am_zarathustra wrote: »

I'm on the SMT and have heard nothing about what we are doing.......I know more about what's going on in a few schools where I know the principals. As with everything left to "local arraignments" or as I like to call it "the whim of the principal", there will be massive variance in implentation. Fundamentally there will be principals who are of the opinion it's only a bit worse than a flu and this will effect their implementation

Totally agree. Even my own principal is totally over the top with regards to some things and totally under prepared on others. The wording of something's in both the plan and in the circulars are very much open to interpretation. The language used in them has to be deliberately obtuse inorder to deflect criticism onto the schools that interpretated them in that way rather than the people who created them.

khalessi · 10-08-2020 03:11PM

Haven't heard a thing from my school yet. I fully expect the position that we vote on will be decided by the time we go back

wirelessdude01 · 10-08-2020 03:15PM

Latest situation with the crèche in Navan.

Really slow process.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/three-children-test-positive-for-covid-19-at-meath-creche-39437298.html

lulublue22 · 10-08-2020 03:36PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Latest situation with the crèche in Navan.

Really slow process.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/three-children-test-positive-for-covid-19-at-meath-creche-39437298.html

What stands out to me is that none of the children who tested positive are showing symptoms ( as of yet). This would not be good in a school setting.

am_zarathustra · 10-08-2020 03:38PM

Our kids will be less than 1m in most rooms. It'll be very interesting to see how quickly things spread before anyone is symptomatic.

I think I'm just going to assume the school is going to do nothing and organise perspex and everything else myself

Deeec · 10-08-2020 03:41PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Latest situation with the crèche in Navan.

Really slow process.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/three-children-test-positive-for-covid-19-at-meath-creche-39437298.html

This is worrying. The creche seemed to have acted responsibly but it just goes to show how hard it is to prevent it spreading. HSE seems to be slow at organising testing. Imagine this happening in a school - the amount of testing involved etc. Does the HSE have the resources to deal with this( Doubt it)

combat14 · 10-08-2020 03:41PM

maybe it's time now to sacrifice the 15% of people who react severely to covid and the only 5% of people who have a critical reaction and get the schools back to normal as possible

the kids dont seem to be affected anyway

khalessi · 10-08-2020 03:47PM

combat14 wrote: »

maybe it's time now to sacrifice the 15% of people who react severely to covid and the only 5% of people who have a critical reaction and get the schools back to normal as possible

the kids dont seem to be affected anyway

FIrst of I dont know how you feel about your parents but I like mine.
Secondly children are affected have you missed the studies and a percentage of them badly. THe bad news is we dont know which of them will be in the badly affected pile. Would you like to pick them?

Gemma1982 · 10-08-2020 03:49PM

JDD wrote: »

Well, rang the GP. Runny nose and sneezing are apparently not Covid symptoms, no need to bring him in or for him to take a test. The usual advice, keep him hydrated, keep an eye on him and if a temperature or anything else develops then call back. Otherwise, once the cold passes he can go back into creche. Sensible advice in my opinion.

I phoned my gp on Friday as my three year old has a runny nose and is sneezing. I was told that runny nose is a symptom in children and a negative Covid test is absolutely required before he can reattend crèche and mix with other children. We’re all self isolating now while waiting for the result. It is going to be a very long winter.

SusanC10 · 10-08-2020 03:51PM

Just got an email now from our daughter's Primary School.
They are going to reconfigure the desks in the Classroom to maximize space. Each class will be a bubble. There are 25 in our daughter's class. No mention of Masks.

Just on the bubbles thing. How is it going to work if say Sean in 5th Class is in the class bubble with Lucy and Sophie. Lucy is an only child and is driven to school. Sean is one of 4 siblings all in different bubbles. They all go to a Creche after school. Sophie is in 5th Class but has a sibling in JI and they take the Bus to school which is full and serves more than one school.
What is the point of the Bubbles?

Gemma1982 · 10-08-2020 03:52PM

JDD wrote: »

Well, rang the GP. Runny nose and sneezing are apparently not Covid symptoms, no need to bring him in or for him to take a test. The usual advice, keep him hydrated, keep an eye on him and if a temperature or anything else develops then call back. Otherwise, once the cold passes he can go back into creche. Sensible advice in my opinion.

I phoned my gp on Friday as my three year old has a runny nose and is sneezing. I was told that runny nose is a symptom in children and a negative Covid test is absolutely required before he can reattend crèche and mix with other children. We’re all self isolating now while waiting for the result. It is going to be a very long winter.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5 · 10-08-2020 03:52PM

With the 3 cases in children and 2 adults in the Meath Creche things are going to have to slow down a bit.

Murple · 10-08-2020 03:53PM

lulublue22 wrote: »

What stands out to me is that none of the children who tested positive are showing symptoms ( as of yet). This would not be good in a school setting.

What has also stood out is that the 3 who tested positive are siblings in different rooms. The two workers who tested positive were in different rooms and had had no contact.

wirelessdude01 · 10-08-2020 03:53PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just got an email now from our daughter's Primary School.
They are going to reconfigure the desks in the Classroom to maximize space. Each class will be a bubble. There are 25 in our daughter's class. No mention of Masks.

Just on the bubbles thing. How is it going to work if say Sean in 5th Class is in the class bubble with Lucy and Sophie. Lucy is an only child and is driven to school. Sean is one of 4 siblings all in different bubbles. They all go to a Creche after school. Sophie is in 5th Class but has a sibling in JI and they take the Bus to school which is full and serves more than one school.
What is the point of the Bubbles?

Bubbles and pods are all so that the politicians can say to the general public, look at the fancy new system we put in place. They are worthless in practical terms.

SusanC10 · 10-08-2020 03:54PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Bubbles and pods are all so that the politicians can say to the general public, look at the fancy new system we put in place. They are worthless in practical terms.

Thought so !

khalessi · 10-08-2020 03:55PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Bubbles and pods are all so that the politicians can say to the general public, look at the fancy new system we put in place. They are worthless in practical terms.

Agreed just a fancy term for groups. And we have all seen how successful they are in stoping vomitting bugs or other illnesses move round a class

Murple · 10-08-2020 03:57PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Just got an email now from our daughter's Primary School.
They are going to reconfigure the desks in the Classroom to maximize space. Each class will be a bubble. There are 25 in our daughter's class. No mention of Masks.

Just on the bubbles thing. How is it going to work if say Sean in 5th Class is in the class bubble with Lucy and Sophie. Lucy is an only child and is driven to school. Sean is one of 4 siblings all in different bubbles. They all go to a Creche after school. Sophie is in 5th Class but has a sibling in JI and they take the Bus to school which is full and serves more than one school.
What is the point of the Bubbles?

Sshhhh! You’re not meant to point out the huge holes in the pod and bubble system!
(Add in to your very sensible query is the fact that Learning Support teachers will be working with children from a number of classes every day and in some cases, in more than one school and so will be bursting bubbles all over the place!)

khalessi · 10-08-2020 03:58PM

Just in relation to wearing only visors

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200715/only-those-with-plastic-visors-were-infected-swiss-government-warns-against-face-shields?fbclid=IwAR0n_h2_WyhqTtifGmS3nu5mxhLxO8vqa9-3x8m0FY6ffERGbn0GzZerjPg

Oranage2 · 10-08-2020 03:59PM

The pods can be used to isolate the virus but how practical are they remains to seems, are the children in the pods going to be separated at all times like arriving at schools, lunch, toilet breaks, play time? Also are kids the other pods really safe just being a meter or 2 apart.

khalessi · 10-08-2020 04:00PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

The pods can be used to isolate the virus but how practical are they remains to seems, are the children in the pods going to be separated at all times like arriving at schools, lunch, toilet breaks, play time? Also are kids the other pods really safe just being a meter or 2 apart.

The children will not be a metre apart as it is impossible. I am getting my primary children to wear masks. Luckily they are used to them.

Oranage2 · 10-08-2020 04:04PM

khalessi wrote: »

The children will not be a metre apart as it is impossible. I am getting my primary children to wear masks. Luckily they are used to them.

Not every child, I mean a pod of 5 children being a meter apart from the next pod. I'm not sure if that's possible though but I think it could be.

teachinggal123 · 10-08-2020 04:05PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Ohh, edgy. The intelligent ones also stand up on their own two feet for what is right by their students and don't allow themselves to be dictated to by other staff members. #dorightbyyourstudents

You mean the way the teachers on this thread are trying to dictate to everyone?

And when someone “stands on their own two feet” and is honest and gives an opinion on this thread they are ganged up on and berated by other teachers?

Right so. I’ll try to remember that.

khalessi · 10-08-2020 04:06PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Not every child, I mean a pod of 5 children being a meter apart from the next pod. I'm not sure if that's possible though but I think it could be.

but that is the same as having the normal groups in a classroom, that we have had for years. It doesn't make a difference to preventing viral spread. The children still walk past each other to get to the bathroom or sink or to get their coats or to line up. It is just a fancy way to describe the normal layout of the class bubbles or pods instead of groups.

wirelessdude01 · 10-08-2020 04:09PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Not every child, I mean a pod of 5 children being a meter apart from the next pod. I'm not sure if that's possible though but I think it could be.

I've tried in my room but it just isn't feasible or possible. Not allowed to have pods greater than 6. If I was allowed 8 I could. Guidelines says just treat the room as a pod them so the "pile em in" strategy continues.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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