Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

political analyst · 07-08-2020 07:18PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Wonder if people would still be prasining him if it turned out to be Boy B?

Presumably, A and B have been kept away from each other since they were placed in custody. After all, Thompson and Venables were forbidden from contacting each other as one of the conditions of their release in 2001.

political analyst · 07-08-2020 07:22PM

White lighting wrote: »

Dont think thats correct. Its always been the case if you appealed your sentence you ran the risk of it been increased. Was always a deterrent to stop every Tom Dick and Harry appealing every sentence the got handed down.

Only if you sought a trial in the Circuit Court trial for an offence for which you were convicted in the District Court. I haven't heard of a sentence being increased after an appeal on the grounds of undue severity being dismissed in the Republic.

joeguevara · 07-08-2020 08:17PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

What happens these two when they eventually get out?

Will they be monitored for the rest of their lives or given new identities and be let move around freely?

For probably the best real life precedent for your question, have a read of Jon venables (i think) in the James Bolger case. There should be ongoing monitoring etc and rescinded licence if certain breaches.

joeguevara · 07-08-2020 08:19PM

political analyst wrote: »

Only if you sought a trial in the Circuit Court trial for an offence for which you were convicted in the District Court. I haven't heard of a sentence being increased after an appeal on the grounds of undue severity being dismissed in the Republic.

There are cases in the court of criminal appeal where a person appealed their sentence and had it increased.

If you don’t appeal sentence but a point of law, then sentence usually is prohibited from being increased.

political analyst · 07-08-2020 10:47PM

joeguevara wrote: »

There are cases in the court of criminal appeal where a person appealed their sentence and had it increased.

When?

joeguevara · 07-08-2020 10:55PM

political analyst wrote: »

When?

It’s common enough.

I haven’t read the article so not sure if leniency was appealed by DPP but here is some examples

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/court-of-appeal-increases-sentences-for-high-end-assault-cases-1.4180069

It’s quite searchable and court stats should show annual examples.

Tough week at work so not in mood to search but will do tomorrow.

Suckit · 07-08-2020 11:40PM

The guy who slashed the girls throat in Dun Laoghaire a few years ago had his review for release increased. His sentence stayed the same, but he was due for review in 5 years, but now it will be 7.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/stephanie-ng-case-boy-who-attempted-murder-has-review-pushed-back-1.4317035
https://www.herald.ie/news/courts/teen-slasher-must-wait-an-extra-2-years-before-sentence-gets-reviewed-39408909.html

Gadgetman496 · 08-08-2020 01:37AM

political analyst wrote: »

Boy A will be not just on parole but also on the register because he was also convicted of sexually assaulting the victim.

What register? There is no sex offender register in Ireland.

Offenders get put on the Pulse system which is not accessible to the general public, therefore the public have no way of knowing if an individual is recorded or not.

In this case we all know because of the coverage the case got, but, what about years down the line when offenders are released & given new identities? Our children will have no idea who they are.

While the term Sex Offenders Register is commonly used in Ireland, there is in fact no such register and the term is not included in any section of the Sex Offenders Act 2001. If a person is convicted of a sexual offence under the Act, a Certificate of Conviction is issued from the relevant court to the Sex Offender Management and Intelligence Unit (SOMIU) and the convicted sex offender is recorded on the Garda PULSE (Police Using Leading Systems Effectively) system. The SOMIU maintains a record of everyone in the State who has been convicted of certain sexual offences and has obligations under the Sex Offenders Act 2001. A Garda Inspector in each division is nominated to manage the risk of sex offenders in their community, ensure sex offenders comply with the Act and report information to SOMIU.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_trial/sex_offenders_register.html

Quantum Erasure · 08-08-2020 08:18PM

^sounds very like a register of sex offenders to me....

Liamo57 · 08-08-2020 08:37PM

Its like this. I had 2 lovely parents, we had very little but we were decent. Those kids were evil, their parents were dysfuntional and they are responsible for their kids behaviour. In my opinion, they both should be hung. They will never be any use to society.

political analyst · 08-08-2020 09:33PM

joeguevara wrote: »

It’s common enough.

I haven’t read the article so not sure if leniency was appealed by DPP but here is some examples

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/court-of-appeal-increases-sentences-for-high-end-assault-cases-1.4180069

It’s quite searchable and court stats should show annual examples.

Tough week at work so not in mood to search but will do tomorrow.

That's not what I meant.

None of the defendants mentioned in that article appealed their sentences on grounds of undue severity.

political analyst · 08-08-2020 09:35PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

What register? There is no sex offender register in Ireland.

Offenders get put on the Pulse system which is not accessible to the general public, therefore the public have no way of knowing if an individual is recorded or not.

In this case we all know because of the coverage the case got, but, what about years down the line when offenders are released & given new identities? Our children will have no idea who they are.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_trial/sex_offenders_register.html

What you quoted from that site is what I meant. Technically, it might not be a sex offenders register but the principle is the same as if it was a register.

joeguevara · 08-08-2020 10:11PM

political analyst wrote: »

That's not what I meant.

None of the defendants mentioned in that article appealed their sentences on grounds of undue severity.

Think we may have had crossed wires.

Gadgetman496 · 22-10-2020 12:48PM

Woman charged over social media images in Kriégel case

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1022/1173208-rebecca-ryan-court/

Ashbourne hoop · 22-10-2020 12:56PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Woman charged over social media images in Kriégel case

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1022/1173208-rebecca-ryan-court/

Good enough for her.

McCrack · 22-10-2020 02:03PM

They are doing it to make an example of her - I expect she will get the Probation Act.

She did society a service in this case exposing these two.

knucklehead6 · 22-10-2020 02:27PM

McCrack wrote: »

She did society a service in this case exposing these two.

Not quite. She posted up pictures of a lad who has the same name as boy a. He’s NOT boy a and had nothing to do with this case but this dope took the law into her own hands and posted up this other kids name and picture.

tayto lover · 22-10-2020 02:35PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Woman charged over social media images in Kriégel case

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2020/1022/1173208-rebecca-ryan-court/

I’ve searched that RTÉ link and couldn’t find a mention of it.

McCrack · 22-10-2020 02:42PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Not quite. She posted up pictures of a lad who has the same name as boy a. He’s NOT boy a and had nothing to do with this case but this dope took the law into her own hands and posted up this other kids name and picture.

Is that the photo though that she circulated.

There was another photo A and B (A in white Nike top and B in black adidas top).

Gadgetman496 · 22-10-2020 02:45PM

She's charged with posting their pictures, no mention of her posting the wrong picture of anyone with the same name.

StackSteevens · 22-10-2020 02:48PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Not quite. She posted up pictures of a lad who has the same name as boy a. He’s NOT boy a and had nothing to do with this case but this dope took the law into her own hands and posted up this other kids name and picture.

In that case, can the 'wrong' lad not sue her for defamation?

I suspect that he can and may be awaiting the outcome of this case before initiating a civil case against her.

suicide_circus · 22-10-2020 02:50PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Not quite. She posted up pictures of a lad who has the same name as boy a. He’s NOT boy a and had nothing to do with this case but this dope took the law into her own hands and posted up this other kids name and picture.

If she posted a photo of a random lad who was no Boy A, what offence did she commit?

Effects · 22-10-2020 02:52PM

StackSteevens wrote: »

In that case, can the 'wrong' lad not sue her for defamation?

Probably wouldn't get much.

J.O. Farmer · 22-10-2020 03:50PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If she posted a photo of a random lad who was no Boy A, what offence did she commit?

Would it not be the same offence as she's charged with. It's in connection circulating images and details of what is allegedly boy a and boy b. Does it matter legally if she identified the wrong people.

In reality it's worse as presumably the lad she identified is not a murderer or sex offender.

Suckit · 22-10-2020 04:06PM

knucklehead6 wrote: »

Not quite. She posted up pictures of a lad who has the same name as boy a. He’s NOT boy a and had nothing to do with this case but this dope took the law into her own hands and posted up this other kids name and picture.

I don't think her post was the one with the wrong boy identified.
https://waterford-news.ie/2020/10/22/waterford-woman-charged-with-identifying-boys-in-kriegel-case/

The image allegedly posted by Ms Ryan was one that appeared on a number of platforms and was a cropped photo with other youths, whose faces were scribbled over. The two boys were highlighted with red circles and the letters ‘A’ and ‘B’ identifying them.

Still was a daft thing to do.

suicide_circus wrote: »

If she posted a photo of a random lad who was no Boy A, what offence did she commit?

If she had claimed the wrong boy to be a murderer and incited hatred towards him, I would guess she broke a few laws.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2020 04:07PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

If she posted a photo of a random lad who was no Boy A, what offence did she commit?

Seriously? You're implying that she can post a random picture of a 14 year old kid, say it's one ot he Kriegel killers and NOT face any consequences for it?

McCrack · 22-10-2020 04:15PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Seriously? You're implying that she can post a random picture of a 14 year old kid, say it's one ot he Kriegel killers and NOT face any consequences for it?

Of course not - ever heard of defamation?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 22-10-2020 04:19PM

McCrack wrote: »

Of course not - ever heard of defamation?

I agree - but the poster I was responding to didn't seem to think that shuld be a problem.

StackSteevens · 22-10-2020 04:57PM

Effects wrote: »

Probably wouldn't get much.

He'd get an apology at least - and she'd probably have to publish it in the national papers at her own expense.

Rows Grower · 22-10-2020 04:59PM

StackSteevens wrote: »

He'd get an apology at least - and she'd probably have to publish it in the national papers at her own expense.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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