Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

White lighting · 20-05-2020 08:29AM

political analyst wrote: »

Only when they are launched by the DPP, which hasn't happened in this case.

Dont think thats correct. Its always been the case if you appealed your sentence you ran the risk of it been increased. Was always a deterrent to stop every Tom Dick and Harry appealing every sentence the got handed down.

joeguevara · 21-05-2020 01:46AM

White lighting wrote: »

Dont think thats correct. Its always been the case if you appealed your sentence you ran the risk of it been increased. Was always a deterrent to stop every Tom Dick and Harry appealing every sentence the got handed down.

It is definitely an interesting discussion. Firstly if it’s murder, sentence cannot be increased as its mandatory life sentence. So there is no risk of an increase in the sentence.

Secondly, they won’t just increase the sentence if they think it’s on the light side. . They will consider a sentence ‘unduly lenient’ only if they believe the trial judge made a mistake on a legal point.

Appeal court judges will not change a sentence just because they think the sentence was too light or because they would have given a different sentence.

An appeal can be made for conviction only and the appellate court does not have jurisdiction to deal with appeal.DPP can appeal leniency and there has been cases of increase.

Have a look at page 56 https://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/consultation%20papers/cpSentencing.htm

ACitizenErased · 26-05-2020 03:03PM

Boy A assaulted in prison.

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1265296680758411264?s=21

Lollipops23 · 26-05-2020 03:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Boy A assaulted in prison.

https://twitter.com/mickthehack/status/1265296680758411264?s=21

Not sad to hear that.

I wonder did they figure out his identity or was he just acting like a príck.

Carioco · 26-05-2020 03:51PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Not sad to hear that.

I wonder did they figure out his identity or was he just acting like a príck.

I doubt he was acting up. Oberstown would be the roughest of the rough. It's the very last resort for out of control kids. Boy A would be well out of his depth having grown up in a 'soft' environment.

Anyway if this was a normal enough assault we probably wouldn't hear about it so it must've been a particularly bad one if it's been reported.

ohnonotgmail · 26-05-2020 03:55PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Not sad to hear that.

I wonder did they figure out his identity or was he just acting like a príck.

i couldn't imagine there is any doubt about who they are.

Truthvader · 26-05-2020 04:45PM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Not sad to hear that.

I wonder did they figure out his identity or was he just acting like a príck.

How will anything be better because one boy attacks another? I am sad to hear it and even more sorry to hear that Oberstown is unsafe. Nothing is going to be solved or made better by this stupid assault or by warehousing these damaged children in an environment where this is normal. Will what comes out be better than what went in?

DrumSteve · 26-05-2020 05:21PM

Truthvader wrote: »

How will anything be better because one boy attacks another? I am sad to hear it and even more sorry to hear that Oberstown is unsafe. Nothing is going to be solved or made better by this stupid assault or by warehousing these damaged children in an environment where this is normal. Will what comes out be better than what went in?

Hopefully that little scrote will never see the light of day again.

Rows Grower · 26-05-2020 05:33PM

Carioco wrote: »

I doubt he was acting up. Oberstown would be the roughest of the rough. It's the very last resort for out of control kids. Boy A would be well out of his depth having grown up in a 'soft' environment.

Anyway if this was a normal enough assault we probably wouldn't hear about it so it must've been a particularly bad one if it's been reported.

I don't know what to say with regard to this comment, lost for words.

RollieFingers · 26-05-2020 05:42PM

DrumSteve wrote: »

Hopefully that little scrote will never see the light of day again.

And hopefully the first of numerous assaults, good enough for the murdering scrote.

Paulownia · 26-05-2020 05:51PM

RollieFingers wrote: »

And hopefully the first of numerous assaults, good enough for the murdering scrote.

Would it help if the age at which offenders are tried as adults was lowered? It seems to me that the crimes committed by adolescents are as bad now as by adults and this would mean that the inmates of Oberstown would be younger.
The girl that they murdered was brought up in a soft environment too but they didn’t take that into account when they brutally murderd her

6am7f9zxrsjvnb · 26-05-2020 06:20PM

Can someone please close the thread?

The air at the top of the moral high ground has become very thin.

The thread is nothing more than a ‘thanks accumulator’ for those wishing to express their deep reserves of hatred for two severely damaged teenagers who will (deservedly)pay for their actions every day of their lives.

Rows Grower · 26-05-2020 06:29PM

Reed Panicky Swimmer wrote: »

Can someone please close the thread?

The air at the top of the moral high ground has become very thin.

The thread is nothing more than a ‘thanks accumulator’ for those wishing to express their deep reserves of hatred for two severely damaged teenagers who will (deservedly)pay for their actions every day of their lives.

Just select unfollow and save yourself the stress of having to read it.

Guy:Incognito · 26-05-2020 06:53PM

Truthvader wrote: »

I am sad to hear it and even more sorry to hear that Oberstown is unsafe.

Is this your first time hearing about the prison system?

Carioco · 26-05-2020 06:58PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

I don't know what to say with regard to this comment, lost for words.

What I mean is they are middle class kids who who grew up soft they are going to have a hard time in a prison with kids from some of the toughest estates in the country.

I doubt Boy A is throwing his weight around, he'd be killed by the other prisoners.

I don't think it's the first time they were attacked didn't one of them get attacked before their trial too?

26-05-2020 07:03PM

Reed Panicky Swimmer wrote: »

Can someone please close the thread?

The air at the top of the moral high ground has become very thin.

The thread is nothing more than a ‘thanks accumulator’ for those wishing to express their deep reserves of hatred for two severely damaged teenagers who will (deservedly)pay for their actions every day of their lives.

Every day of their lives? Unless they die in prison, no they won’t at all. They’ll get out some day.

brendanwalsh · 26-05-2020 07:09PM

Glad to hear he suffered .
Unfortunately it’s not enough .
I am confident it won’t be the last beating he will get while he remains incarcerated

Truthvader · 26-05-2020 07:12PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is this your first time hearing about the prison system?

Nope and know a bit about it. It doesn't matter much if you take the view expressed above that the "little scrote" is never getting out but if he or any other little scrotes are ever to be released at some point it might be intelligent to try to change them for the better

Same holds true for adults. Mountjoy is a dangerous subhuman zoo where the poorest and most damaged are abandonned (the nice white collar criminals are all out gardening or writing their book in Shelton Abbey) . Usually what comes out is far darker than what goes in. And the next house they visit could be yours.

Pauliedragon · 26-05-2020 07:18PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Glad to hear he suffered .
Unfortunately it’s not enough .
I am confident it won’t be the last beating he will get while he remains incarcerated

And the person who beat him is such an upstanding part of our society. Lets give him a medal. Oh wait he's a violent criminal too.

26-05-2020 07:18PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

And the person who beat him is such an upstanding part of our society. Lets give him a medal. Oh wait he's a violent criminal too.

Let the animals wipe each other out.

Thargor · 26-05-2020 07:23PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Given what I heard about the conduct of these cretins is Oberstown I can safely say I'm ****ing delighted.

**** him the the little prick.

What do we know about their conduct in there? Was something new reported?

Pauliedragon · 26-05-2020 07:40PM

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Let the animals wipe each other out.

That's an insult to animals. They don't hurt each other for fun. They do it for survival. It shows a bit of ignorance on your behalf to suggest humans are above animals. Violence is wrong in my opinion and 2 wrongs never make a right. Maybe I'm wrong.

Blaze420 · 26-05-2020 07:43PM

Pity the staff didn’t turn a blind eye and let that little **** get what he deserves.

Rows Grower · 26-05-2020 08:32PM

Carioco wrote: »

What I mean is they are middle class kids who who grew up soft they are going to have a hard time in a prison with kids from some of the toughest estates in the country.

I doubt Boy A is throwing his weight around, he'd be killed by the other prisoners.

I don't think it's the first time they were attacked didn't one of them get attacked before their trial too?

Just stop, please.

paleoperson · 26-05-2020 08:54PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

That's an insult to animals. They don't hurt each other for fun. They do it for survival. It shows a bit of ignorance on your behalf to suggest humans are above animals. Violence is wrong in my opinion and 2 wrongs never make a right. Maybe I'm wrong.

It would also be cruel and unusual punishment, you can't have that.

Either have them flogged as in some countries or have them protected. None of this wink and nod nonsense, that's sick.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 26-05-2020 09:14PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

And the person who beat him is such an upstanding part of our society. Lets give him a medal. Oh wait he's a violent criminal too.

Maybe but at least he didn’t rape and brutally murder another child

Pauliedragon · 26-05-2020 10:16PM

Camila Hallowed Apple wrote: »

Maybe but at least he didn’t rape and brutally murder another child

How do you know that? Prisons are full of people who rape children for fun.

o1s1n · 26-05-2020 10:24PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

That's an insult to animals. They don't hurt each other for fun. They do it for survival. It shows a bit of ignorance on your behalf to suggest humans are above animals. Violence is wrong in my opinion and 2 wrongs never make a right. Maybe I'm wrong.

Killer Whales, dolphins, domestic cats, wild cats, hyenas all kill prey for fun as well as survival.

26-05-2020 10:27PM

Carioco wrote: »

What I mean is they are middle class kids who who grew up soft they are going to have a hard time in a prison with kids from some of the toughest estates in the country.

I doubt Boy A is throwing his weight around, he'd be killed by the other prisoners.

I don't think it's the first time they were attacked didn't one of them get attacked before their trial too?

iirc, someone got mistakenly identified as one of them and got attacked....not 100percent sure but i think that whats happened

Pauliedragon · 26-05-2020 10:44PM

o1s1n wrote: »

Killer Whales, dolphins, domestic cats, wild cats, hyenas all kill prey for fun as well as survival.

Fair point I'll stand corrected but before I praise the guy who bashed a fella I despise I would like to know why this upstanding citizen is in jail in the first place. This creep will probably sue the prison system now and win and we will all pay for it through our taxes and he'll wander out a free man when his sentence is up in a few years with a hefty few quid in his bank acccount while the rest of us plod along worrying about next months bills.

Ana Kriegel - Boys A & B found guilty [Mod: Do NOT post identifying information]

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