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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #8492
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Aisha Slimy Trapezoid wrote: »
    What utter nonsense. So now we’re being told that there is a LAG in the reporting of deaths???

    Yes, this has been known for quite some time.


  • #8493
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,676 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    These restriction makers can kiss my ass, I’ll do whatever I like. It’s easy enough to just lie to the cops if you get stopped. Most of them are thicks.


  • #8494
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    These restriction makers can kiss my ass, I’ll do whatever I like. It’s easy enough to just lie to the cops if you get stopped. Most of them are thicks.

    Go you


  • #8495
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    These restriction makers can kiss my ass, I’ll do whatever I like. It’s easy enough to just lie to the cops if you get stopped. Most of them are thicks.

    Sounds like manure has won!


  • #8496
    highdef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,484 ✭✭✭highdef


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Sounds like manure has won!

    You're talking utter ****e 🀣


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  • #8497
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Trump press conference - methinks he brought some supporters in
    Being challenged about the crap he does and reporter gets booed, Trump talks and people start cheering and clapping


  • #8498
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Breezer wrote: »
    There is a lag between people contracting the virus (cases) and dying (deaths).

    People who die from this contract the virus on day zero, generally start showing symptoms day 5-14, deteriorate around day 15-24, die about a week or a bit more after that.

    What about the “Lag” for the last three months. Deaths are down, admissions are down, the overwhelming majority of people have recovered, 9 out of 10 infections are non communal, in the last 5 days 19 “cases” were communal! This is an ineffectual virus and yet rights are being infringed, mandatory “face coverings” (not allowed call it a muzzle which is ironic in itself) and now restrictions on freedom of movement?!?

    When will people wake up to this peddling of fear and stop being so docile and compliant and start asking questions?


  • #8499
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Trump press conference - methinks he brought some supporters in
    Being challenged about the crap he does and reporter gets booed, Trump talks and people start cheering and clapping

    Can you post the link?


  • #8500
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Man Vs ManUre wrote: »
    These restriction makers can kiss my ass, I’ll do whatever I like. It’s easy enough to just lie to the cops if you get stopped. Most of them are thicks.

    They always talk about herd immunity mentality, like 70% being infected. Would it not be better for the 70% who follow government guidelines keep doing it and then segregate the 30% of people who believe it's a hoax/flu/they believe they are invincible etc... till we get a vaccine?


  • #8501
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Nope. Range of temps suited to humans has no effect on the fecker.
    Agreed, but what I took from that post was the lack of fresh air in nursing homes to achieve that temperature is not ideal.


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  • #8502
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    speckle wrote: »
    Agreed, but what I took from that post was the lack of fresh air in nursing homes to achieve that temperature is not ideal.

    Cold temperatures means it can survive longer (meat plants and all the other factors)
    Hotter it is the shorter it's lifespan

    Still no excuse for fresh air which is good for everyone - even studies done in hospitals that showed those that opened windows had less infections (from secondary infections)
    Last time I was in hospital was a warm day and it was stifling with the heat


  • #8503
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Aisha Slimy Trapezoid wrote: »
    What about the “Lag” for the last three months. Deaths are down, admissions are down, the overwhelming majority of people have recovered, 9 out of 10 infections are non communal, in the last 5 days 19 “cases” were communal! This is an ineffectual virus and yet rights are being infringed, mandatory “face coverings” (not allowed call it a muzzle which is ironic in itself) and now restrictions on freedom of movement?!?

    When will people wake up to this peddling of fear and stop being so docile and compliant and start asking questions?

    We've always had a lag in deaths due to laws/regulations. You can't change a law/regulation retrospectively and the government can't time travel back to change it.
    What rights of yours are being infringed with you being required to wear a mask? Does the same right allow you to walk around naked?
    I'll be honest, I don't know the Irish constitution as much as yourself, but i'm sure I have a right for the government to protect by life and health embedded in the constitution.


  • #8504
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Cold temperatures means it can survive longer
    Hotter it is the shorter it's lifespan

    Still no excuse for fresh air which is good for everyone - even studies done in hospitals that showed those that opened windows had less infections (from secondary infections)

    Yes agree with you, but just to be clear the temperature range I was refering to, doesn't include having a nursing home at the very cold temperature of meat processing plants:)


  • #8505
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    speckle wrote: »
    Yes agree with you, but just to be clear the temperature range I was refering to, doesn't include having a nursing home at the very cold temperature of meat processing plants:)

    Yeah - nursing home and the ilk always have it warm as hell
    Like being in work and the girls complaining its too cold when they are just wearing a bra and all the men are sweating their balls off


  • #8506
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,344 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Thought the heat kills viruses?

    Lets be honest none of us have a Scooby do.


    Fresh hot air does, piss laden stagnant recirculated internal hot air carrying all sorts spreads it.


  • #8507
    v638sg7k1a92bx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,913 ✭✭✭v638sg7k1a92bx


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    We've always had a lag in deaths due to laws/regulations. You can't change a law/regulation retrospectively and the government can't time travel back to change it.
    What rights of yours are being infringed with you being required to wear a mask? Does the same right allow you to walk around naked?
    I'll be honest, I don't know the Irish constitution as much as yourself, but i'm sure I have a right for the government to protect by life and health embedded in the constitution.

    Does that include false pretences? There’s also no opportunity to debate these new laws which are actually decrees, and why? A very small minority of people have been infected with an unremarkable virus that 98% of people will recover from and most people will have mild symptoms ?!?
    No reporting on deaths, recovery rates or ICU admissions but everyone whooped into a fear over “cases”


  • #8508
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Yeah - nursing home and the ilk always have it warm as hell
    Like being in work and the girls complaining its too cold when they are just wearing a bra and all the men are sweating their balls off

    There's always 1 Fker in the office who is too hot in the winter and demands a window be open and too cold in the summer and demands the window closed.

    But on the hospital issue, I know during our TB outbreak past, they had patients outside for the fresh air and wards opened up to the fresh air. Having spend a few days in hospital a few years ago, Jesus it was like a sauna and it wasn't even a warm week.


  • #8509
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Yeah - nursing home and the ilk always have it warm as hell
    Like being in work and the girls complaining its too cold when they are just wearing a bra and all the men are sweating their balls off

    Where's me jumper? Funniest Irish song... but good advice for the coming Winter.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxmZZBJQAKM


  • #8510
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    So...back from the pub tonight about 12.30. Not many people still in the pub after 11.30pm, perhaps about 20. Good social distancing, anti covid food consumed.

    Nice enjoyable evening with a mate, and we remarked that we can't do this next Friday.

    Bull****.


  • #8511
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    speckle wrote: »
    Where's me jumper? Funniest Irish song... but good advice for the coming Winter.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxmZZBJQAKM

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114226602&postcount=3925


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  • #8512
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So...back from the pub tonight about 12.30. Not many people still in the pub after 11.30pm, perhaps about 20. Good social distancing, anti covid food consumed.

    Nice enjoyable evening with a mate, and we remarked that we can't do this next Friday.

    Bull****.

    Twas good while it lasted :D


  • #8513
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Aisha Slimy Trapezoid wrote: »
    Does that include false pretences? There’s also no opportunity to debate these new laws which are actually decrees, and why? A very small minority of people have been infected with an unremarkable virus that 98% of people will recover from and most people will have mild symptoms ?!?
    No reporting on deaths, recovery rates or ICU admissions but everyone whooped into a fear over “cases”

    May I ask what the false pretenses are?
    The new laws can be debated, I believe that rests with the oireachtas. I'm not that familiar with that process. But remember laws cannot be introduced that over ride your constitution protection. A Decree is massively different than a law, which I'm sure you know.

    There are daily reports of deaths and ICU admissions, the recovery rates are announced every Thursday. Again, I know you know that, you're just looking for drama of course.
    If this country every went to war, I fear for the likes of you.


  • #8514
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Twas good while it lasted :D

    Yep. But Govt advice has always been about being in this together, and if you want people behind you, they should implement rules based solidly on health advice. Nothing provided to suggest that 12am tonight is not safe next week.

    Just political posturing to sort out an earlier closing time for if pubs in general are allowed open in a few weeks.

    But happy to see official advice being produced that shows schools being safe havens for children and no spread, but 11pm being safer than 12am for pubs.

    Or 10.30pm as originally 'advised' :rolleyes:


  • #8515
    v638sg7k1a92bx
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    May I ask what the false pretenses are?
    The new laws can be debated, I believe that rests with the oireachtas. I'm not that familiar with that process. But remember laws cannot be introduced that over ride your constitution protection. A Decree is massively different than a law, which I'm sure you know.

    There are daily reports of deaths and ICU admissions, the recovery rates are announced every Thursday. Again, I know you know that, you're just looking for drama of course.
    If this country every went to war, I fear for the likes of you.

    I fear the level of compliance from the likes of you. If the Government decided to introduce Locke down because of an ambient invasion to protect you health, would you be so servile?


  • #8516
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yep. But Govt advice has always been about being in this together, and if you want people behind you, they should implement rules based solidly on health advice. Nothing provided to suggest that 12am tonight is not safe next week.

    Just political posturing to sort out an earlier closing time for if pubs in general are allowed open in a few weeks.

    But happy to see official advice being produced that shows schools being safe havens for children and no spread, but 11pm being safer than 12am for pubs.

    Or 10.30pm as originally 'advised' :rolleyes:

    is it not limiting exposure, if a restaurant (not a pub, remember that) is open for 1hr less, then that's less people entering and less chance of it spreading?
    When the restaurants were closed there was zero cases there. It's all about mitigating risk. Please remember you're in a workplace also, there is staff there working, 1hr less dealing with the public is 1hr less exposure they face.
    From a health and safety point of view it makes sense.
    You never know if someone who thinks they are immune and will never come into contact with some who could come into contact with someone vulnerable is asymptomatic.
    It's all risk calculation, we're in a pandemic, live with it so others can.


  • #8517
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yep. But Govt advice has always been about being in this together, and if you want people behind you, they should implement rules based solidly on health advice. Nothing provided to suggest that 12am tonight is not safe next week.

    Just political posturing to sort out an earlier closing time for if pubs in general are allowed open in a few weeks.

    But happy to see official advice being produced that shows schools being safe havens for children and no spread, but 11pm being safer than 12am for pubs.

    Or 10.30pm as originally 'advised' :rolleyes:

    Yup makes no sense at all - and all going by the few incidences abroad where they were being packed in to the bars
    Feel sorry for the publicans at the moment after spending thousands preparing for an opening that has been postponed twice at short notice (not really for the publicans themselves but all the guys that work in them). Add on to that that for many their social outlet is the bar for a coupla pints to meet up with friends and all that
    But sure some meat factories fecked up and now 3 counties are in "lockdown" and the VFI are sh*tting themselves

    I was well behind the initial lockdown - let's save the health service - but it never really got crazy, it's now in tiny numbers. Even after opening nearly everything up but still "we have to be cautious". Well f*ck me - we've done that for 6 months, need to start moving on and test the water.


  • #8518
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Aisha Slimy Trapezoid wrote: »
    I fear the level of compliance from the likes of you. If the Government decided to introduce Locke down because of an ambient invasion to protect you health, would you be so servile?

    That's weird, I fear your non compliance more.
    My compliance will not put lives at risk. Non compliance will.
    I will not get covid from the government, but I have a high chance of getting it from some person who believes covid is a hoax or what ever mumbo jumbo they believe in.


  • #8519
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    is it not limiting exposure, if a restaurant (not a pub, remember that) is open for 1hr less, then that's less people entering and less chance of it spreading?
    When the restaurants were closed there was zero cases there. It's all about mitigating risk. Please remember you're in a workplace also, there is staff there working, 1hr less dealing with the public is 1hr less exposure they face.
    From a health and safety point of view it makes sense.
    You never know if someone who thinks they are immune and will never come into contact with some who could come into contact with someone vulnerable is asymptomatic.
    It's all risk calculation, we're in a pandemic, live with it so others can.

    They introduced a rule 2 months ago and it was abided by. There is no "less people entering and less chance of it spreading", by closing at 11pm. The last food has been served and no new customers would be in. There's the current customers maintaining the same social distancing that they were. Argue all you want about whether that's ok or not, but nothing has happened that I'm aware of to make them change the guidelines.
    Going on your logic, "someone who thinks they are immune and will never come into contact with some who could come into contact with someone vulnerable is asymptomatic" they'd be just kept shut. Life goes on, it has to. What is it with people that think we can just eradicate risk.


  • #8520
    Wolf359f
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    They introduced a rule 2 months ago and it was abided by. There is no "less people entering and less chance of it spreading", by closing at 11pm. The last food has been served and no new customers would be in. There's the current customers maintaining the same social distancing that they were. Argue all you want about whether that's ok or not, but nothing has happened that I'm aware of to make them change the guidelines.
    Going on your logic, "someone who thinks they are immune and will never come into contact with some who could come into contact with someone vulnerable is asymptomatic" they'd be just kept shut. Life goes on, it has to. What is it with people that think we can just eradicate risk.

    I dunno, maybe the people ordering a dozen pints with a basket of chicken wings may have looked to the government as pubs opening as restaurants as skirting the regulations. There are genuine restaurants who make 75% of their income in food and 25% in alcohol and there's the new 'restaurants making' 1% in food and 99% in drink.

    The government gave an inch and some publicans took a mile.

    We cannot eradicate risk, we can only limit it.


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    Ten of Swords
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    Tickers, one week forum ban for ignoring threadban

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