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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    Scoondal wrote: »
    Close Schools. I am not sending my children into a corona virus hot house. What is wrong with people ? In 7 days we had 6 cases from just 253,000 population. It's awful.

    Just to point out community transfer is quite low at the minute.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    I find it a bit illogical that the new ‘local’ lockdown covers an area defined by county borders. How does this make any sense. If there is an outbreak in a particular setting, then the logical thing to do is to lock down the people who are affected, not some arbitrary area which was originally defined hundreds of years ago as the territory belonging to particular landed gentry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes the fact that no cases have been linked to this industry then I would classify it as safe. Are you suggesting nobody in these 3 counties should go to work just so I am clear.

    I am saying people should wfh where possible.
    They should follow the guidelines.
    Non essential work such as recreational sports (horse racing) should get to the back of the que.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Who’s terrified?! Lol! I’m grand!
    That really is the last remarks of guys who have run out of answers.
    I’m just feeding you a spoonful of realism that’s all.
    I would rather We go with this whack a mole scenario than have a national lockdown, what would you prefer?

    Thats fair enough but stopping an industry which has had no cases and is outdoors is just madness. I'm guessing you don't have any financial worries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Getting quite annoyed with headlines like this constantly popping up. The echo has been very poor recently. The suspected cases malarkey doesn’t mean they’re all Covid positive as has been said by a few in this thread. All click bait headlines. Are the Irish media being told to publish this as to keep us in check? It just looks like the majority of the media seem as if they cack their pants when cases or deaths are announced and pass that on to us!!
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Covid-19-latest-new-cases-continue-to-be-identified-in-Cork--d9c9679c-4a42-47f6-b987-3f6ab78b9856-ds

    I'd never rely on the Echo for real news, it's more local goings on, nothing of real relevance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    My wife is a doctor in a Dublin hospital. I asked her just now having seen this debate here before and never thought much of it. Anyways my wife confirmed what a suspected case is. There are multiple daily tests taken around the country in a hospital setting from people who don't have any symptoms of covid 19 and are presenting themselves for other medical concerns. Not everyone is offered a test and not everyone when offered takes one. So a suspected case in a hospital is largely made up of people in hospital for other reasons and without covid symptoms. But of course there can be a mixture of people with covid like symptoms too. But the wife believes people without covid symptoms largely outnumber those with them for the pending results of a suspected case. She pointed to times when cases were in single digits but suspected cases were much higher.
    Thank you for the further clarification.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Getting quite annoyed with headlines like this constantly popping up. The echo has been very poor recently. The suspected cases malarkey doesn’t mean they’re all Covid positive as has been said by a few in this thread. All click bait headlines. Are the Irish media being told to publish this as to keep us in check? It just looks like the majority of the media seem as if they cack their pants when cases or deaths are announced and pass that on to us!!
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Covid-19-latest-new-cases-continue-to-be-identified-in-Cork--d9c9679c-4a42-47f6-b987-3f6ab78b9856-ds

    The Echos reporting has become quite sensationalised

    Majority of comments on FB pointing that out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Getting quite annoyed with headlines like this constantly popping up. The echo has been very poor recently. The suspected cases malarkey doesn’t mean they’re all Covid positive as has been said by a few in this thread. All click bait headlines. Are the Irish media being told to publish this as to keep us in check? It just looks like the majority of the media seem as if they cack their pants when cases or deaths are announced and pass that on to us!!
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Covid-19-latest-new-cases-continue-to-be-identified-in-Cork--d9c9679c-4a42-47f6-b987-3f6ab78b9856-ds
    The Echo haven't been any good for the last few years. Turning into a mockeyah tabloid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Thats fair enough but stopping an industry which has had no cases and is outdoors is just madness. I'm guessing you don't have any financial worries.

    I have plenty of financial worries but my worries about family’s and friends health trump that to be honest.
    Look personally I can’t see a vaccine being available this side of Christmas so I believe we have to live with this.
    We have a piss poor health service so that means we need to be cautious.
    Unfortunately that means the likes of horse racing in restricted county’s imo shouldn’t go ahead to protect our health service.
    Sorry if that directly affects you I don’t mean to piss you off but local lockdowns are the only way we keep this bastard from overwhelming the health service.
    If the health service is overwhelmed we are into completely different territory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    About the only things good are the court reports and local sport


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Is this working for anyone? It’s been updated for tonight but page error keeps coming up.
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭Equium


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How can they know they have lifelong damage to their lungs after a few months. How do you know you had a moderate case or a serious case.

    I had a very mild case as I was only bedridden for 3 or 4 days. Fever lasted about the same, as did the muscular pains and extreme fatigue. I believe that a mild case is often defined as one not requiring hospitalisation. I wasn't hospitalised but had pneumonia (diagnosed by GP) for about 6 weeks - at the time I just felt that it was the worst flu I had ever experienced.

    Afterwards I still struggled to breathe properly or perform any physical exercise until recently. My girlfriend also had the illness and suffered worse symptoms than I did. Thankfully she wasn't hospitalised either, but she also didn't recover properly until recently. It's the longer lasting issues that really frighten me. I don't know when I will stop sweating every time I move from indoors to outdoors. I don't know when I will no longer have to breathe very deeply to feel I take in enough air. I don't know when the constant migraines will stop.

    As for how long term effects of the disease are projected or quantified, I do not work in the medical profession and therefore do not feel comfortable commenting on the findings on chronic effects of covid as described in various medical journals. Happy to bow to the experts on this one. But put it this way - it's not something I'd recommend picking up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,275 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Just read the horse racing going ahead. You can only laugh really.

    I know it is "behind closed doors" but surely there is still a handy enough crowd involved, is it essential


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,856 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What if what if, has one case come from this industry yet. You do realise life has to go on too and not live terrified. Its not healthy for you.

    Life has to go on, it will, be healthy ? Less healthy if you get covid... more terrifying too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    HSE Daily Operations Update

    10 in hospital, decrease of 2.
    2 confirmed cases today, one in Kilkenny, other in Limerick.
    5 in ICU and 1 ventilated, no change.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    That’s rough Equiim, do you know where you guys caught it? Hope you feel back to normal soon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Is this working for anyone? It’s been updated for tonight but page error keeps coming up.
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/


    seems to be working here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Is this working for anyone? It’s been updated for tonight but page error keeps coming up.
    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/
    Working fine for me.

    As of 8pm, 10 confirmed cases in hospital. 5 in ICU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Immunity levels are nowhere near where they need to be to stop spread anywhere in the world.
    We would need 70% to slow/stop spread the only way you get that is vaccine or the virus infecting the population without lockdowns.
    For reference prof Micheal olsterholm reckons 8% of USA nationally has been infected (that’s not to say this guarantees immunity either!)

    That’s assuming that 100% of the population are susceptible and that we’ve caught all cases, the latter of which isn’t true. Dublin has about 1% of the population confirmed. Could be 10%. Even if 100% are susceptible, having 10% out of the possible pool will have some impact. One thing we can take from Sweden is that 100% are not susceptible or they would still be trending up, or trending down at this stage after having far more deaths. Something doesn’t add up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I know it is "behind closed doors" but surely there is still a handy enough crowd involved, is it essential

    It's wealth before health. Owners, horse riders etc.. coming from all over the country to an area in lockdown.

    Just shows our governments priorities.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    I know it is "behind closed doors" but surely there is still a handy enough crowd involved, is it essential

    Nope.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Equium wrote: »
    I had a very mild case as I was only bedridden for 3 or 4 days. Fever lasted about the same, as did the muscular pains and extreme fatigue. I believe that a mild case is often defined as one not requiring hospitalisation. I wasn't hospitalised but had pneumonia (diagnosed by GP) for about 6 weeks - at the time I just felt that it was the worst flu I had ever experienced.

    Afterwards I still struggled to breathe properly or perform any physical exercise until recently. My girlfriend also had the illness and suffered worse symptoms than I did. Thankfully she wasn't hospitalised either, but she also didn't recover properly until recently. It's the longer lasting issues that really frighten me. I don't know when I will stop sweating every time I move from indoors to outdoors. I don't know when I will no longer have to breathe very deeply to feel I take in enough air. I don't know when the constant migraines will stop.

    As for how long term effects of the disease are projected or quantified, I do not work in the medical profession and therefore do not feel comfortable commenting on the findings on chronic effects of covid as described in various medical journals. Happy to bow to the experts on this one. But put it this way - it's not something I'd recommend picking up.

    Hope you get better soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hospitals Update

    Mater (-1) - 2
    Kilkenny (+1) - 2
    Tallaght (--) - 2
    Drogheda (-1) - 1
    Beaumont (--) - 1
    Cavan (--) - 1
    UHL (--) - 1
    Galway (-1) - 0


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 359 ✭✭The Unbearables


    Equium wrote: »
    I had a very mild case as I was only bedridden for 3 or 4 days. Fever lasted about the same, as did the muscular pains and extreme fatigue. I believe that a mild case is often defined as one not requiring hospitalisation. I wasn't hospitalised but had pneumonia (diagnosed by GP) for about 6 weeks - at the time I just felt that it was the worst flu I had ever experienced.

    Afterwards I still struggled to breathe properly or perform any physical exercise until recently. My girlfriend also had the illness and suffered worse symptoms than I did. Thankfully she wasn't hospitalised either, but she also didn't recover properly until recently. It's the longer lasting issues that really frighten me. I don't know when I will stop sweating every time I move from indoors to outdoors. I don't know when I will no longer have to breathe very deeply to feel I take in enough air. I don't know when the constant migraines will stop.

    As for how long term effects of the disease are projected or quantified, I do not work in the medical profession and therefore do not feel comfortable commenting on the findings on chronic effects of covid as described in various medical journals. Happy to bow to the experts on this one. But put it this way - it's not something I'd recommend picking up.

    Sorry for your troubles. It sounds like a nightmare. I hope you have no long term health issues.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,134 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    That’s assuming that 100% of the population are susceptible and that we’ve caught all cases, the latter of which isn’t true. Dublin has about 1% of the population confirmed. Could be 10%. Even if 100% are susceptible, having 10% out of the possible pool will have some impact. One thing we can take from Sweden is that 100% are not susceptible or they would still be trending up, or trending down at this stage after having far more deaths. Something doesn’t add up.

    Indeed.
    The way olsterholm is saying it is that the virus will run out of hosts to invade at about 70% infection rates.
    Hopefully that’s via vaccine as opposed to infection.
    The only thing stopping us reaching the 70% via infection are lockdowns, SD, handwashing, masks etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Hospitals Update

    Mater (-1) - 2
    Kilkenny (+1) - 2
    Tallaght (--) - 2
    Drogheda (-1) - 1
    Beaumont (--) - 1
    Cavan (--) - 1
    UHL (--) - 1
    Galway (-1) - 0
    And no confirmed hospitalised cases in Portlaoise, Tullamore or Naas....yet.

    Let’s hope it stays that way and the demographics of the current cluster will act in their favour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    Hospitals Update

    Mater (-1) - 2
    Kilkenny (+1) - 2
    Tallaght (--) - 2
    Drogheda (-1) - 1
    Beaumont (--) - 1
    Cavan (--) - 1
    UHL (--) - 1
    Galway (-1) - 0

    10 in hospital in the whole country?

    I thought we had 300+ cases this week alone and covid puts 20% of infected in hospital?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,455 ✭✭✭Beanybabog


    My wife is a doctor in a Dublin hospital. I asked her just now having seen this debate here before and never thought much of it. Anyways my wife confirmed what a suspected case is. There are multiple daily tests taken around the country in a hospital setting from people who don't have any symptoms of covid 19 and are presenting themselves for other medical concerns. Not everyone is offered a test and not everyone when offered takes one. So a suspected case in a hospital is largely made up of people in hospital for other reasons and without covid symptoms. But of course there can be a mixture of people with covid like symptoms too. But the wife believes people without covid symptoms largely outnumber those with them for the pending results of a suspected case. She pointed to times when cases were in single digits but suspected cases were much higher.

    That seems quite low then, a hundred and something, I thought everyone was being tested on admission to hospital. Wasn’t there something recently about private fees for any surgery patients needing a test


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    10 in hospital in the whole country?

    I thought we had 300+ cases this week alone and covid puts 20% of infected in hospital?

    Takes time to take hold of the body, if it's going to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    10 in hospital in the whole country?

    I thought we had 300+ cases this week alone and covid puts 20% of infected in hospital?

    Usually hospitalisation runs a week or ten days behind.


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