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Fe1student1234 · 07-08-2020 06:33PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just a thought - surely for contact tracing from these exams the best bet is the app... but with phones being turned off this will hinder its effectiveness massively?

I think I read in the letter that you have to fill in your details when you get there

spygirl · 07-08-2020 06:33PM

Wonderstruck wrote: »

You forgot those storms in October 2019 that hit the west quite badly (I think that was Oct 2019........ I am losing track at this stage). At this point they can't lose face and cancel again :pac: :pac:

I did forget the storms lol, maybe the exams are cursed.
I don't think they would care about losing face in fairness if they had to cancel. If it has to be done, they will. They will have little choice.

Monday is going to interesting, I still think Tort will go ahead. If it worsens EU could be in trouble but safety measures are different this time.

Reduced numbers in rooms. Staggered start times, masks etc, none of that in place last time. I think we will be fine.

bobsyourbrief · 07-08-2020 06:40PM

Bask453 wrote: »

Anyone else feel like the Law Society are treading a fine line in pushing ahead with these exams, there will be some scandal if an outbreak is traced back to one of the sittings, especially when literally every other professional exam has been moved to an online format, it's not like they didn't have time to prepare...

Speaking of time to prepare, I was wondering back in March why they never had some kind of cancellation protocol in place before anyway? Everything seemed very on the fly and pushed to the very last second. Pulling the plug on the exams less than 24 hours beforehand too.

Hamerzan Sickles · 07-08-2020 06:40PM

I'm getting flashbacks to all of us posting in this thread just before the exams were cancelled last time.

Fe1student1234 · 07-08-2020 06:41PM

bobsyourbrief wrote: »

Speaking of time to prepare, I was wondering back in March why they never had some kind of cancellation protocol in place before anyway? Everything seemed very on the fly and pushed to the very last second. Pulling the plug on the exams less than 24 hours beforehand too.

I feel like they’re the same this time, very reluctant to give out information or get in contact with anyone

LawStudent1234 · 07-08-2020 06:42PM

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

I'm getting flashbacks to all of us posting in this thread just before the exams were cancelled last time.

Same it’s actually a disgrace, another weekend to put down not knowing what’s going to happen as if the exams aren’t stressful enough

Hamerzan Sickles · 07-08-2020 06:42PM

This is basically putting us all in the same situation as before, precautions or no precautions. We now have isolated counties that are under lockdown (and cases in other counties as well) and we are all travelling from across the country to sit the same exam.

bobsyourbrief wrote: »

Speaking of time to prepare, I was wondering back in March why they never had some kind of cancellation protocol in place before anyway? Everything seemed very on the fly and pushed to the very last second. Pulling the plug on the exams less than 24 hours beforehand too.

If I recall correctly, they never had to cancel before and have gone forward with the exams in all circumstances ever since they were introduced in the nineties.

Lallers96 · 07-08-2020 06:45PM

Hiya1234 wrote: »

Could just mean no one from those counties can sit the exam but the rest of us might be ok...

I'd consider this essential travel imo.

Boltabb · 07-08-2020 06:46PM

bobsyourbrief wrote: »

Speaking of time to prepare, I was wondering back in March why they never had some kind of cancellation protocol in place before anyway? Everything seemed very on the fly and pushed to the very last second. Pulling the plug on the exams less than 24 hours beforehand too.

spygirl · 07-08-2020 06:47PM

For now all we can do is keep plugging away. Lost a lot of study time last March worrying, hoping not to do it again.

Get the head down revising and come up for air after the weekend, see what Monday brings. We will hear nothing before that either way.

Doubt anyone in the office over the weekend.

With that in mind, anyone have a copy of Oct 2019 Tort report?

vid36 · 07-08-2020 06:48PM

These exams need to go online for October. I sympathise with people who have poor internet but surely you can make alternative arrangements. Sit them at a friends places, workplace or relatives or even rent an Air B and B or hotel room.But students cannot have this uncertainty right up to the day of the exam and others should not be faced with breaking public health regulations in order to sit them

07-08-2020 06:48PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

I'd consider this essential travel imo.

I think they said essential travel is workers who can’t work from home , medical appointments and essential family visits!

Don’t know if sitting an exam that will be on again in oct, for 3 hours in a room full of strangers would be considered essential!

Aoibhin511 · 07-08-2020 06:49PM

spygirl wrote: »

For now all we can do is keep plugging away. Lost a lot of study time last March worrying, hoping not to do it again.

Get the head down revising and come up for air after the weekend, see what Monday brings. We will hear nothing before that either way.

Doubt anyone in the office over the weekend.

With that in mind, anyone have a copy of Oct 2019 Tort report?

One of them told me today they are in the office tomorrow

Lallers96 · 07-08-2020 06:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they said essential travel is workers who can’t work from home , medical appointments and essential family visits!

Don’t know if sitting an exam that will be on again in oct, for 3 hours in a room full of strangers would be considered essential!

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

Hamerzan Sickles · 07-08-2020 06:52PM

spygirl wrote: »

For now all we can do is keep plugging away. Lost a lot of study time last March worrying, hoping not to do it again.

Get the head down revising and come up for air after the weekend, see what Monday brings. We will hear nothing before that either way.

Doubt anyone in the office over the weekend.

With that in mind, anyone have a copy of Oct 2019 Tort report?

As always spygirl comes out as the undisputed voice of reason in this thread.

07-08-2020 06:52PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7b237-special-advice-for-those-living-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly-friday-7-august-2020/

Essential travel pretty clearly defined here.
Just because no one is policing it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to be abided by.

Hamerzan Sickles · 07-08-2020 06:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they said essential travel is workers who can’t work from home , medical appointments and essential family visits!

Don’t know if sitting an exam that will be on again in oct, for 3 hours in a room full of strangers would be considered essential!

I would not be surprised if most candidates defined a training contract hanging in the balance as "essential travel" regardless of what county they are from.

Lallers96 · 07-08-2020 06:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7b237-special-advice-for-those-living-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly-friday-7-august-2020/

Essential travel pretty clearly defined here.
Just because no one is policing it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to be abided by.

I'm from Mayo so I'm not affected. But if someone from Kildare wants to go to this exam, nobody will stop them. This is extremely vital for some people's future jobs and lives. This is essential to them. All HSE guidlines will be followed in the exam.

bobsyourbrief · 07-08-2020 06:54PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

I personally can't see it being cancelled, but people have the right to worry after what happened to the last sitting in March and that should be respected.

vid36 · 07-08-2020 06:55PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

We are training to be solicitors and should conform with the highest ethical standards. The Law Society cannot promote flagrant disregard of public health regulations. In fact, if the exams are to continue they should prohibit those from the affected countries sitting them.

07-08-2020 06:55PM

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

I would not be surprised if most candidates defined a training contract hanging in the balance as "essential travel" regardless of what county they are from.

Completely agree, leaves people with very difficult decisions to make unfortunately. And made harder if they receive no guidance from the law soc on the matter!

Also, I think essential travel has been clearly defined in the new guidelines, not up to individuals to decide their own reason is essential enough when an exam fits nowhere into these limited situations

Lallers96 · 07-08-2020 06:57PM

bobsyourbrief wrote: »

I personally can't see it being cancelled, but people have the right to worry after what happened to the last sitting in March and that should be respected.

There's worry, and there's baseless fear mongering. I saw the news and felt fine. I came here and saw the usual suspects spreading fear about cancellation when we have zero idea what will happen other than, as of now, the exams are going ahead and letting any other thought enter your head is a waste of time and a pointless source of stress as none of us can control this.

Lallers96 · 07-08-2020 06:59PM

vid36 wrote: »

We are training to be solicitors and should conform with the highest ethical standards. The Law Society cannot promote flagrant disregard of public health regulations. In fact, if the exams are to continue they should prohibit those from the affected countries sitting them.

That would require proof that these exams are not essential and I dare any invigilator tell a law student, of all people, from any of these counties that they are barred from the exam without such proof.

bobsyourbrief · 07-08-2020 07:01PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

There's worry, and there's baseless fear mongering. I saw the news and felt fine. I came here and saw the usual suspects spreading fear about cancellation when we have zero idea what will happen other than, as of now, the exams are going ahead and letting any other thought enter your head is a waste of time and a pointless source of stress as none of us can control this.

I don't think anyone's intention is to fear monger. Some people take the pandemic a lot more serious than others, whatever way they choose to vent their worry is up to them. I'm confident I'll re-sit this week and I'll come home healthy, not everyone else is like that until they're sat in the exam hall doing the exam. That's fine, March was a bitter blow to a lot of people and the added stress of everything that's going on isn't avoidable for some - regardless of survival rates or lack of control in this situation.

deckie66 · 07-08-2020 07:02PM

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

I would not be surprised if most candidates defined a training contract hanging in the balance as "essential travel" regardless of what county they are from.

The S.I. is being signed in to law to operate from Sunday.

Not good to start a career in law by ignoring it !

vid36 · 07-08-2020 07:02PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

That would require proof that these exams are not essential and I dare any invigilator tell a law student, of all people, from any of these counties that they are barred from the exam without such proof.

Exams are not essential. Read the government advice.If a student living in Kildare, Laois or Offaly sits an exam then the Law Society are in breach of public health regulations.
They can lobby to change the regulations and I hope they do, but as of right now, they would be in breach.

iamanengine · 07-08-2020 07:02PM

As the old Irish saying goes...

Sure look, it'll be grand

spygirl · 07-08-2020 07:03PM

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

As always spygirl comes out as the undisputed voice of reason in this thread.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:Never accused of such in my life.

Seriously, it is different then it was in March. People are right to be nervous, they would be silly if they were not. However, there are precautions being taken that were not in place last time. The risk is still the same as it was a few days yesterday. Everyone will make their own decisions based on the best available advice. Same as we did last time. Public health advice is being followed. It's going to come down to personal responsibility.

I think i'll double mask and write the Dunne test on the inside of the first one, I'm only joking I swear, really I am.:rolleyes:

Lallers96 · 07-08-2020 07:05PM

vid36 wrote: »

Exams are not essential. Read the government advice.If a student living in Kildare, Laois or Offaly sits an exam then the Law Society are in breach of public health regulations.
They can lobby to change the regulations and I hope they do, but as of right now, they would be in breach.

Keyword, advice. No student who has been preparing for this exam, and spend a great deal of time, effort and money is going to stop going. If I was coming from Kildare I'd simply say I wasn't living there despite my ID showing that address. We've all signed forms to say we don't have COVID and we will be wearing masks from a 2m distance.

Hamerzan Sickles · 07-08-2020 07:07PM

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

Yes, it's a 1% fatality rate or lower but more and more evidence is coming out from longitudinal studies that people with even mild cases or the corona virus are ending up with post-corona conditions such as cardiac problems, lung problems, insomnia, chronic fatigue syndrome, headaches and more. The truth of the matter is that there is so much we do not know about the virus - honing in on its fatality rate alone is a tragic misstep that too many people are making.

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