FE1 Exam Thread (Read 1st post!) NOTE: YOU MAY SWAP EXAM GRIDS

Ok so for tort I have:

Negligence
Hedley Byrne
Pure Economic Loss
Prof neg
Occupiers liability
Rylands v fletcher
Nuisance
Trespass
Defamation
Defences
Remedies

What else should I cover? Employers or product liability? Both? Passing off?

I’m going on city colleges manual if anyone’s chapters coincide... I’ve never covered so many topics before and am worried about not remembering them all! Also worried about not being able to identify the relevant topics in a question, or being left short because there’s multiple topics in a question!

There are 3 possible outcomes in my view
1 Exams proceed without people living in Kildare, Laois and Offaly.
2.Exams are cancelled
3.Sitting academic examinations is added to the list of essential travel
Just ignoring the SI and public health regulations will not happen.

Does anyone have a quick synopsis, case note on Green v Hardiman? In the alternative can anyone confirm I'm right below.

Superior Courts confirmed that he should be compensated, notwithstanding the argument that he was SB? Clock didn't start to run against him until he knew there was a cause of action? IE when he got back the report in 2012 not when the hernia etc kicked off. So it's very fact specific

dobby896

Lallers96 wrote: »

I'm from Mayo so I'm not affected. But if someone from Kildare wants to go to this exam, nobody will stop them. This is extremely vital for some people's future jobs and lives. This is essential to them.

As you said, you're from Mayo, not from Kildare, Offaly or Laois. It is highly unfair of you to condemn people for what you consider "baseless hysteria" when people in those counties are more than justified in their worry. Many of those candidates could be immunocompromised themselves or live with immunocompromised persons or healthcare workers.

Yes, these exams are essential, of course they are but they are not considered essential as per the regulations. Therefore, many other institutions have put exams online/made alternative arrangements. This is a public health crisis, it is much bigger than each of us as individuals. You may downplay the significance of the virus but for some people it is a massive risk.

iamanengine

spygirl wrote: »

Anything new in Products liability to be aware of for Tort?

Don't think so, I have nothing very recent anyway

Jenosul

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

Yes, it's a 1% fatality rate or lower but more and more evidence is coming out from longitudinal studies that people with even mild cases or the corona virus are ending up with post-corona conditions such as cardiac problems, lung problems, insomnia, chronic fatigue syndrome, headaches and more. The truth of the matter is that there is so much we do not know about the virus - honing in on its fatality rate alone is a tragic misstep that too many people are making.

I really want to get my exams over with like everyone else and I will go in. In March I felt very uncomfortable with lower rates recorded but went in to get it not to lose a chance and isolated myself after the exam as I am living with a family member who is high risk. It doesn’t seem fair that alternative arrangements are in place for other big exams such as the accounting and Kings Inn,

Anything new in Products liability to be aware of for Tort?

Also, your "usual suspects" remark was rather disparaging - maybe accusing people of baseless hysteria would have landed better if, you know, just over an hour ago there hadn't been lockdown announced for the midlands.

Lallers96 wrote: »

Keyword, advice. No student who has been preparing for this exam, and spend a great deal of time, effort and money is going to stop going. If I was coming from Kildare I'd simply say I wasn't living there despite my ID showing that address. We've all signed forms to say we don't have COVID and we will be wearing masks from a 2m distance.

The regulation is being signed into law.It is not just advice.We cannot ignore SIs that we don't like.

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

Yes, it's a 1% fatality rate or lower but more and more evidence is coming out from longitudinal studies that people with even mild cases or the corona virus are ending up with post-corona conditions such as cardiac problems, lung problems, insomnia, chronic fatigue syndrome, headaches and more. The truth of the matter is that there is so much we do not know about the virus - honing in on its fatality rate alone is a tragic misstep that too many people are making.

vid36 wrote: »

Exams are not essential. Read the government advice.If a student living in Kildare, Laois or Offaly sits an exam then the Law Society are in breach of public health regulations.
They can lobby to change the regulations and I hope they do, but as of right now, they would be in breach.

Keyword, advice. No student who has been preparing for this exam, and spend a great deal of time, effort and money is going to stop going. If I was coming from Kildare I'd simply say I wasn't living there despite my ID showing that address. We've all signed forms to say we don't have COVID and we will be wearing masks from a 2m distance.

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

As always spygirl comes out as the undisputed voice of reason in this thread.

:pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:Never accused of such in my life.

Seriously, it is different then it was in March. People are right to be nervous, they would be silly if they were not. However, there are precautions being taken that were not in place last time. The risk is still the same as it was a few days yesterday. Everyone will make their own decisions based on the best available advice. Same as we did last time. Public health advice is being followed. It's going to come down to personal responsibility.

I think i'll double mask and write the Dunne test on the inside of the first one, I'm only joking I swear, really I am.:rolleyes:

iamanengine

As the old Irish saying goes...

Sure look, it'll be grand

Lallers96 wrote: »

That would require proof that these exams are not essential and I dare any invigilator tell a law student, of all people, from any of these counties that they are barred from the exam without such proof.

Exams are not essential. Read the government advice.If a student living in Kildare, Laois or Offaly sits an exam then the Law Society are in breach of public health regulations.
They can lobby to change the regulations and I hope they do, but as of right now, they would be in breach.

deckie66

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

I would not be surprised if most candidates defined a training contract hanging in the balance as "essential travel" regardless of what county they are from.

The S.I. is being signed in to law to operate from Sunday.

Not good to start a career in law by ignoring it !

bobsyourbrief

Lallers96 wrote: »

There's worry, and there's baseless fear mongering. I saw the news and felt fine. I came here and saw the usual suspects spreading fear about cancellation when we have zero idea what will happen other than, as of now, the exams are going ahead and letting any other thought enter your head is a waste of time and a pointless source of stress as none of us can control this.

I don't think anyone's intention is to fear monger. Some people take the pandemic a lot more serious than others, whatever way they choose to vent their worry is up to them. I'm confident I'll re-sit this week and I'll come home healthy, not everyone else is like that until they're sat in the exam hall doing the exam. That's fine, March was a bitter blow to a lot of people and the added stress of everything that's going on isn't avoidable for some - regardless of survival rates or lack of control in this situation.

vid36 wrote: »

We are training to be solicitors and should conform with the highest ethical standards. The Law Society cannot promote flagrant disregard of public health regulations. In fact, if the exams are to continue they should prohibit those from the affected countries sitting them.

That would require proof that these exams are not essential and I dare any invigilator tell a law student, of all people, from any of these counties that they are barred from the exam without such proof.

bobsyourbrief wrote: »

I personally can't see it being cancelled, but people have the right to worry after what happened to the last sitting in March and that should be respected.

There's worry, and there's baseless fear mongering. I saw the news and felt fine. I came here and saw the usual suspects spreading fear about cancellation when we have zero idea what will happen other than, as of now, the exams are going ahead and letting any other thought enter your head is a waste of time and a pointless source of stress as none of us can control this.

Hamerzan Sickles wrote: »

I would not be surprised if most candidates defined a training contract hanging in the balance as "essential travel" regardless of what county they are from.

Completely agree, leaves people with very difficult decisions to make unfortunately. And made harder if they receive no guidance from the law soc on the matter!

Also, I think essential travel has been clearly defined in the new guidelines, not up to individuals to decide their own reason is essential enough when an exam fits nowhere into these limited situations

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

We are training to be solicitors and should conform with the highest ethical standards. The Law Society cannot promote flagrant disregard of public health regulations. In fact, if the exams are to continue they should prohibit those from the affected countries sitting them.

bobsyourbrief

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

I personally can't see it being cancelled, but people have the right to worry after what happened to the last sitting in March and that should be respected.

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7b237-special-advice-for-those-living-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly-friday-7-august-2020/

Essential travel pretty clearly defined here.
Just because no one is policing it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to be abided by.

I'm from Mayo so I'm not affected. But if someone from Kildare wants to go to this exam, nobody will stop them. This is extremely vital for some people's future jobs and lives. This is essential to them. All HSE guidlines will be followed in the exam.

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they said essential travel is workers who can’t work from home , medical appointments and essential family visits!

Don’t know if sitting an exam that will be on again in oct, for 3 hours in a room full of strangers would be considered essential!

I would not be surprised if most candidates defined a training contract hanging in the balance as "essential travel" regardless of what county they are from.

Lallers96 wrote: »

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/7b237-special-advice-for-those-living-in-kildare-laois-and-offaly-friday-7-august-2020/

Essential travel pretty clearly defined here.
Just because no one is policing it doesn’t mean it doesn’t have to be abided by.

spygirl wrote: »

For now all we can do is keep plugging away. Lost a lot of study time last March worrying, hoping not to do it again.

Get the head down revising and come up for air after the weekend, see what Monday brings. We will hear nothing before that either way.

Doubt anyone in the office over the weekend.

With that in mind, anyone have a copy of Oct 2019 Tort report?

As always spygirl comes out as the undisputed voice of reason in this thread.

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they said essential travel is workers who can’t work from home , medical appointments and essential family visits!

Don’t know if sitting an exam that will be on again in oct, for 3 hours in a room full of strangers would be considered essential!

Nobody is going to police it are they though? It's all about whether you consider it essential or not to go.

We're all going to be forced to wear masks, and we'll all be in rooms of no more than 50 people and also distanced. People need to get a grip. I don't mean to be insensitive in saying that, but there's a lot of wishful thinking here with some people about cancellation or moving it online. We're adhering to every guidline the hse has advised. We can't let a virus with a what? 98% survival rate stop us from doing things that ARE necessary

Aoibhin511

spygirl wrote: »

For now all we can do is keep plugging away. Lost a lot of study time last March worrying, hoping not to do it again.

Get the head down revising and come up for air after the weekend, see what Monday brings. We will hear nothing before that either way.

Doubt anyone in the office over the weekend.

With that in mind, anyone have a copy of Oct 2019 Tort report?

One of them told me today they are in the office tomorrow

Lallers96 wrote: »

I'd consider this essential travel imo.

I think they said essential travel is workers who can’t work from home , medical appointments and essential family visits!

Don’t know if sitting an exam that will be on again in oct, for 3 hours in a room full of strangers would be considered essential!

These exams need to go online for October. I sympathise with people who have poor internet but surely you can make alternative arrangements. Sit them at a friends places, workplace or relatives or even rent an Air B and B or hotel room.But students cannot have this uncertainty right up to the day of the exam and others should not be faced with breaking public health regulations in order to sit them