Masks

v638sg7k1a92bx · 06-08-2020 09:18PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Of course there is.
Welcome to August 2020, perhaps you could update your frame of reference from March 2020.
It's the same evidence that has persuaded multiple health authorities to change their guidance on masks.
It's been repeated again and again on this thread and has not been rebutted.

I'm sorry but unless you have time machine there is zero conclusive evidence that supports your suggestion that if people wore face masks the number of deaths would be less than 706k.

Graham · 06-08-2020 09:19PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

and there's no evidence that wearing a mask would have reduced or prevented those 706k deaths.

There is plenty of evidence that Coronavirus is altogether a pretty bad thing that kills people and its spread can be prevented by..... wait for it......

wearing a mask

Now if your epidemiological expertise is greater than that of the 3 professors and 2 doctors who recently wrote to the government stating the same thing, please tell me more.

odyssey06 · 06-08-2020 09:19PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The reality is that they don't know.

It's the CDC and the ECDC. T
They know more about infectious diseases than you ever will.
The evidence is definitive enough to convince them masks should be used.
In contrast you have no rebuttals just weasel words like "they don't know".
They are the ones there to make these kinds of determinations during a pandemic.
And they have made that determination.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 06-08-2020 09:24PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's the CDC and the ECDC. T
They know more about infectious diseases than you ever will.
The evidence is definitive enough to convince them masks should be used.
In contrast you have no rebuttals just weasel words like "they don't know".
They are the ones there to make these kinds of determinations during a pandemic.
And they have made that determination.

It's not definitive enough at all, it's just a precaution. Try to think for yourself instead of being blindly compliant and agree to wear a muzzle.

xhomelezz · 06-08-2020 09:31PM

Yes: valved

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

The reality is that they don't know.

Man was gonna post you some picture, but feck it, lost all my faith in you

Thank fcuk my reality is different than yours. Big respect for guys who still keep replying to you with some clear evidence on masks.

odyssey06 · 06-08-2020 09:34PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

It's not definitive enough at all, it's just a precaution. Try to think for yourself instead of being blindly compliant and agree to wear a muzzle.

It's as definitive enough as it is possible to be during a pandemic without conducting unethical and dangerous experiments on unvaccinated subjects.
In contrast to the evidence they (both US CDC and ECDC) have presented... there's no attempt at a rebuttal.
Just weasel words and dog whistling about muzzles.

Muzzle? Take your dog whistling nonsense to the conspiracy theory thread.
Your posts have embarrassed this thread for long enough.

Jim_Hodge · 06-08-2020 09:42PM

Yes: homemade

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's as definitive enough as it is possible to be during a pandemic without conducting unethical and dangerous experiments on unvaccinated subjects.
In contrast to the evidence they (both US CDC and ECDC) have presented... there's no attempt at a rebuttal.
Just weasel words and dog whistling about muzzles.

Muzzle? Take your dog whistling nonsense to the conspiracy theory thread.
Your posts have embarrassed this thread for long enough.

The IGNORE option has just tidied the thread nicely for me. Now, if people would stop quoting him, the nonsense will disappear altogether.

Like it or not face coverings are here to stay for some time. I don't like wearing them and find interaction in shops difficult, as we can't hear each other properly. But so be it. It's a small thing to do, in the grand scheme of things.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 06-08-2020 10:02PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The IGNORE option has just tidied the thread nicely for me. Now, if people would stop quoting him, the nonsense will disappear altogether.

Like it or not face coverings are here to stay for some time. I don't like wearing them and find interaction in shops difficult in shops, as we can't hear each other properly. But so be it. It's a small thing to do, in the grand scheme of things.

Why would you not question the rational and effectiveness of this measure and blindly accept these decrees that nobody can debate or question which are also a form of compelled speech where anyone who disagrees or stops to question the reality around them is ostracized even though we know that the chances of infection and death are extremely low yet people continue to treat this as a lethal pathogen when the number of deaths, cases, recovery rates, rates of transmission and ICU admissions clearly show us a different reality.

It beggars belief how people have been whooped up into a frenzy when we can clearly see what the mortality rates are yet this younger generation will accept whatever notification they get from their smart phone without question.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 06-08-2020 10:11PM

xhomelezz wrote: »

Man was gonna post you some picture, but feck it, lost all my faith in you Thank fcuk my reality is different than yours. Big respect for guys who still keep replying to you with some clear evidence on masks.

If you can't articulate your reasons for wearing a muzzle in your own words other and need to use pictures for it to be explained to you like we would do with a 4 yo child then it reflects badly on you, not me. It's a pity muzzle advocates wouldn't follow "expert advice" when it comes to smoking and lifestyle as they do when it comes to wearing a muzzle to show how compliant they are.

gmisk · 06-08-2020 10:14PM

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

Hopefully you're right and mandatory masks will solve the problem but if they don't and cases increase, will you change your position that wearing a mask doesn't reduce the number of cases?

They will not likely solve the problem but they could help slow down and reduce the spread especially in combination with other measures.
As things to back to normal, more people going back to work, schools probably soon enough the numbers are likely to go up.

bodhrandude · 06-08-2020 10:16PM

Yes: surgical

Well with no festival or concert tee shirts to buy this year I might invest in this next week, I can't resist, the Aphex Twin Richard. D, James smile, creepy mask aye! ur,mask_flatlay_front,product,600x600.jpg

ur,mask_flatlay_front,product,600x600.jpg

Beasty · 06-08-2020 10:23PM

No: I don't care enough

Kendrick Jolly Ibex wrote: »

If you can't articulate your reasons for wearing a muzzle in your own words other and need to use pictures for it to be explained to you like we would do with a 4 yo child then it reflects badly on you, not me. It's a pity muzzle advocates wouldn't follow "expert advice" when it comes to smoking and lifestyle as they do when it comes to wearing a muzzle to show how compliant they are.

Do not post in this thread again

Stark · 06-08-2020 11:00PM

No: other

bodhrandude wrote: »

Well with no festival or concert tee shirts to buy this year I might invest in this next week, I can't resist, the Aphex Twin Richard. D, James smile, creepy mask aye!

Where can I buy?

bodhrandude · 07-08-2020 12:03AM

Yes: surgical

Stark wrote: »

Where can I buy?

Here Its 14.23 Euro if you buy an individual one but you can get them for 11.38 if you buy 4. Its quite pricey but I want to get one for the craic.

one armed dwarf · 07-08-2020 12:05AM

No: other

Added benefit is everyone else becomes much more compliant with social distancing I imagine.

If not then just make the Windowlicker noise

Quantum Erasure · 07-08-2020 05:18AM

old skool

mirrorwall14 · 07-08-2020 05:38AM

Yes: valved

Can I ask for anyone wearing masks for long periods in work what ones have you found most comfortable?

xhomelezz · 07-08-2020 05:58AM

Yes: valved

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Can I ask for anyone wearing masks for long periods in work what ones have you found most comfortable?

I'm using cotton three ply with filter pocket since the start. No issues, don't have to wear it whole day tho. So far had it on for say 2 hrs without taking it off and didn't bother me at all.

jill_valentine · 07-08-2020 11:56AM

Yes: surgical

This is a non commercial presentation but -

I've tried a load of masks because I wear glasses so trying to get one that's comfortable but doesn't fog up my lenses was a bit of a nightmare.

For a while I was going with a bandit style bandana, which was excellent at preventing fog up but left a lot to be desired, I imagine, in that you're still largely free n' easy at the bottom of it.

The one I'm using now is one I got from Groupon with two filters, and I'm quite impressed with it for the price - https://www.groupon.ie/deals/face-mask-filters-1?nlp=&CID=IE&uu=ef3f0c54-bfec-427b-8dd9-bef110377c8a&utm_source=groupon_transaction_succeeded-goods&utm_medium=email&sid=groupon_transaction_succeeded_20200623&date=20202306&sender=rm&s=body&c=link&d=deal-url

It doesn't look like the image, it's cotton with a white lining rather than the neopreney-looking image, and the plastic "filter" nubbin is basically cosmetic. It has a pocket for changing filters, and closes well under the chin. There's a wire over the top so you can keep it flush to your nose and it won't fog, and there are neat little ear adjustment things you can see in the picture.

It's Groupon, so it's probably possible I lucked out and got a particularly good one, but I'd recommend it again, I've seen people pay more for less.

joeguevara · 07-08-2020 12:00PM

jill_valentine wrote: »

This is a non commercial presentation but -

I've tried a load of masks because I wear glasses so trying to get one that's comfortable but doesn't fog up my lenses was a bit of a nightmare.

For a while I was going with a bandit style bandana, which was excellent at preventing fog up but left a lot to be desired, I imagine, in that you're still largely free n' easy at the bottom of it.

The one I'm using now is one I got from Groupon with two filters, and I'm quite impressed with it for the price - https://www.groupon.ie/deals/face-mask-filters-1?nlp=&CID=IE&uu=ef3f0c54-bfec-427b-8dd9-bef110377c8a&utm_source=groupon_transaction_succeeded-goods&utm_medium=email&sid=groupon_transaction_succeeded_20200623&date=20202306&sender=rm&s=body&c=link&d=deal-url

It doesn't look like the image, it's cotton with a white lining rather than the neopreney-looking image, and the plastic "filter" nubbin is basically cosmetic. It has a pocket for changing filters, and closes well under the chin. There's a wire over the top so you can keep it flush to your nose and it won't fog, and there are neat little ear adjustment things you can see in the picture.

It's Groupon, so it's probably possible I lucked out and got a particularly good one, but I'd recommend it again, I've seen people pay more for less.

Has Covid 19 forced you to wear a mask and glasses at the same time....if so you might be entitled to condensation.

ginoginelli · 07-08-2020 12:06PM

Yes: surgical

In lidl today, happy to report 100 % customer compliance. Couldn't say the same for the staff unfortunately, the check out girls were behind screens at least, but one employee was sauntering about the aisles with no protection.

Hopefully all will be masked up monday.

bush · 07-08-2020 12:07PM

No: other

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Can I ask for anyone wearing masks for long periods in work what ones have you found most comfortable?

Ive been wearing them for 8 - 10 hours a day and honestly they are all annoying to wear. Pisses me off more every day rather than me getting used to it but what can you do.

Drumpot · 07-08-2020 12:08PM

Yes: surgical

https://n95maskco.com/collections/most-popular-products/products/respokare-niosh-n95-respirator-mask-20-pack

Anybody heard of above mask ? Supposed to be very good at protecting person wearing and others from that person in terms of transmission. Also, supposed to be more comfortable then normal N95

nw1dqsv7amx026 · 07-08-2020 02:33PM

So face masks are mandatory in shops and shopping centers from Monday?

But where is the legislation?

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/1f150-view-statutory-instruments-related-to-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I was under the impression that all it took was the Minister for Health's signature?

Why do they keep doing this, implying a law when in fact there is no legislation. I'm referring to quarantine after returning from a "red list" country.

Graham · 07-08-2020 02:35PM

I understand it's going to be a new Statutory Instrument under the Irish Health Act.

nw1dqsv7amx026 · 07-08-2020 02:44PM

Graham wrote: »

I understand it's going to be a new Statutory Instrument under the Irish Health Act.

Yes so then it should show up at the url I posted?

Why are they delaying?

Just copy, paste and edit from
S.I. No. 244 of 2020 Health Act 1947 (Section 31A – Temporary Restrictions) (Covid-19) (Face Coverings on Public Transp

Overheal · 07-08-2020 02:52PM

No: I don't care enough

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Can I ask for anyone wearing masks for long periods in work what ones have you found most comfortable?

You can also buy/print these:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4249113

They relieve pressure and abrasion off the ears, though I haven't printed one or tried it myself this and similar .STLs are getting rave gratitude from the healthcare industry. We wanted to fire up all the Clemson University printers to make shedloads of them but the Trustees were having none of it because of 'liability' this and that, they were concerned as they wouldn't be sterile (this was before nurses were running around in trash bags, are those sterile!?) but I digress.

Overheal · 07-08-2020 02:56PM

No: I don't care enough

Drumpot wrote: »

https://n95maskco.com/collections/most-popular-products/products/respokare-niosh-n95-respirator-mask-20-pack

Anybody heard of above mask ? Supposed to be very good at protecting person wearing and others from that person in terms of transmission. Also, supposed to be more comfortable then normal N95

Seems like an awful lot of money to spend on them, $180 for a pack of 20 that are not rewashable? Pass. Normal N95 rewashing guidelines from Mayo Clinic etc. will not apply to this multilayered alternative.

jill_valentine · 07-08-2020 04:34PM

Yes: surgical

Overheal wrote: »

You can also buy/print these:

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4249113

They relieve pressure and abrasion off the ears, though I haven't printed one or tried it myself this and similar .STLs are getting rave gratitude from the healthcare industry. We wanted to fire up all the Clemson University printers to make shedloads of them but the Trustees were having none of it because of 'liability' this and that, they were concerned as they wouldn't be sterile (this was before nurses were running around in trash bags, are those sterile!?) but I digress.

Out of interest to Dublin boardies, they sell these in some of the Asian stores, like the one on Abbey Street. I've long hair so they don't really suit, but seem to be the business for anyone else.

ginoginelli · 07-08-2020 05:53PM

Yes: surgical

Overheal wrote: »

Seems like an awful lot of money to spend on them, $180 for a pack of 20 that are not rewashable? Pass. Normal N95 rewashing guidelines from Mayo Clinic etc. will not apply to this multilayered alternative.

They do seem decent tho. And u can sterolize with a cheap nail uv light.

I've been using the covaflu ffp2 masks lately. Good material and easy enough to breathe in, but seal could be a bit tighter around the nose though.

I might try these new n95s out.

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