Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

jill_valentine · 07-08-2020 10:01AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Now from Monday anyone who doesn’t wear a totally unnecessary mask will be treated like a leper and be stared out of it and intimidated because of the fear that’s been put in people.

Good. If you won't do the right thing for the right reason, then the rest of us will have to help you do it for the wrong one.

I can see from your conflation of "reservations about effectiveness" with "no evidence that they work" that you're mad for a bit of Facebook contrarianism.

In the real world, a child can understand that a barrier blocks vapour, and that some barrier is better than none. Nobody who refuses to wear a mask is going to substitute it with better hygiene or more distancing, and there’s far more to say they work than there is to say otherwise.

If you want to feel special, buy a bathbomb. In the meantime, show your neighbour's health the respect it deserves.

mandrake04 · 07-08-2020 10:01AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The numbers for today will include some of the mass testing the HSE have been doing. Even if it is higher, while they remain linked to clusters rather than emerging as new community cases they can be managed. It's also not clear from this current cohort if we will see 20% of cases in hospitals. Despite rises over the last few weeks, very few are in hospital.

They roughly doing on average 3400 per day, hardly mass testing.

Pitch n Putt · 07-08-2020 10:06AM

cadaliac wrote: »

What do you not get about wearing a mask? You have already pointed out correctly why they were not mandatory in April / March. Now we have the supplies and it will be mandatory from Monday in the necessary places.
It's fairly simple and you are either a troll or someone who will just not listen to the reasoning why.

Necessary places now but not months ago when peak transmission was occurring.

Anyway as stated above improper use is worse than no mask. People touching mask constantly then handling items in shops etc are actually increasing the risk of transmission.

ixoy · 07-08-2020 10:08AM

thelad95 wrote: »

As I've said previously a lot of people mean well enough to wear one but it's nearly counterproductive of they can't be worn properly.

The biggest misuse is wearing them under the nose. I suspect it might be because people associate the disease with coughing and, in their minds, you don't cough from your nose so it doesn't matter too much and it's more comfortable to wear.

Boggles · 07-08-2020 10:14AM

The vast vast majority of people I see out and about are wearing them perfectly correct.

Probably because it's a simple face covering, not a fúcking flux capacitor.

Gruffalux · 07-08-2020 10:14AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Necessary places now but not months ago when peak transmission was occurring.

Anyway as stated above improper use is worse than no mask. People touching mask constantly then handling items in shops etc are actually increasing the risk of transmission.

Actually for me I don't give a damn about other people touching their masks the live long day. As long as they have the bloody thing over their respiration holes and are thus not breathing out as much of a viral load if they have Covid, I am happy enough with them.

Pitch n Putt · 07-08-2020 10:14AM

jill_valentine wrote: »

Good. If you won't do the right thing for the right reason, then the rest of us will have to help you do it for the wrong one.

I can see from your conflation of "reservations about effectiveness" with "no evidence that they work" that you're mad for a bit of Facebook contrarianism.

In the real world, a child can understand that a barrier blocks vapour, and that some barrier is better than none. Nobody who refuses to wear a mask is going to substitute it with better hygiene or more distancing, and there’s far more to say they work than there is to say otherwise.

If you want to feel special, buy a bathbomb. In the meantime, show your neighbour's health the respect it deserves.

The brainwashing from the media and government has worked a treat. If you don’t wear a mask now you’ll kill your granny.
Unbelievable really how easily people are led.
In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

Gruffalux · 07-08-2020 10:18AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The brainwashing from the media and government has worked a treat. If you don’t wear a mask now you’ll kill your granny.
Unbelievable really how easily people are led.
In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a FACE and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said FACE your a higher risk of spreading the virus. Except with a mask and if you have Covid you might just breathe out a lesser viral load for the rest of us poor befuddled sheeps.

spookwoman · 07-08-2020 10:21AM

Turning into the conspiracy thread, Gubberment brainwashing :rolleyes:

YellowBucket · 07-08-2020 10:21AM

At this stage we can either go around debating masks, using dubious theorising that’s largely being pulled from American social media, or we can take the cautious approach and use them.

They haven’t been wearing them in Asia for months for the craic and there’s definitely evidence that they’ve had some impact.

For the sake of minor inconvenience, it seems worth very worthwhile.

Their effectiveness is being studied but you can’t really just wait until there’sa full outcome to studies sometime in 2022 and have to just take the precautionary approach in the meantime and assume they do have an effect.

We also need to be looking far more seriously at building ventilation and public transport ventilation systems. I’ve seen very little evidence of that being done.

Eg is the government working with the French health agencies on Luas. It’s identical to French tram systems and I’m sure they’ll have information.

Likewise the rest of the rail system fleets are new or recently refurbished and have very reputable manufacturers like Hyundai/Toyku Car of Japan, CAF and Siemens.

Boggles · 07-08-2020 10:23AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The brainwashing from the media and government has worked a treat. If you don’t wear a mask now you’ll kill your granny.
Unbelievable really how easily people are led.
In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

Very interesting.

Have you a blog or news letter I can subscribe to?

Renjit · 07-08-2020 10:24AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Necessary places now but not months ago when peak transmission was occurring.

Anyway as stated above improper use is worse than no mask. People touching mask constantly then handling items in shops etc are actually increasing the risk of transmission.

Great scott!

seamus · 07-08-2020 10:24AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

"If" doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

The data internationally doesn't indicate that this is an issue. In fact it indicates that when worn for short periods (< 2 hours) indoors by people who are infected, then they are effective at limiting community transmission.

And since it's impossible to know whether you are infected without a test, then it's very little skin off your nose to stick a mask on when you go into a shop or other enclosed space.

Renjit · 07-08-2020 10:25AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The brainwashing from the media and government has worked a treat. If you don’t wear a mask now you’ll kill your granny.
Unbelievable really how easily people are led.
In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

Tin foil hat moment :pac:

The Unbearables · 07-08-2020 10:27AM

Boggles wrote: »

The vast vast majority of people I see out and about are wearing them perfectly correct.

Probably because it's a simple face covering, not a fúcking flux capacitor.

I'm convinced some people are wearing them incorrectly just to stick two fingers up to the gubbbbbbbermint. That's the level of intelligence we are dealing with here.

LiquidZeb · 07-08-2020 10:28AM

Boggles wrote: »

The vast vast majority of people I see out and about are wearing them perfectly correct.

Probably because it's a simple face covering, not a fúcking flux capacitor.

True, I'm in Limerick and although I see the odd gombeen wearing it below their nose the majority of people are complying.

The Unbearables · 07-08-2020 10:32AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The brainwashing from the media and government has worked a treat. If you don’t wear a mask now you’ll kill your granny.
Unbelievable really how easily people are led.
In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

Incorrect

treade1 · 07-08-2020 10:33AM

When is the penny going to drop. Next thing they won't want people talking to each other. Just received a publication on controlling indoor viral load which contains this gem from Singapore "On public transport, passengers are discouraged from talking (to each other or on phones) to help control the release of viral particles from the mouth."
NPHET and the government will push this further and further while people remain compliant for a virus that in most cases only kills those who are already at deaths door.

Gruffalux · 07-08-2020 10:34AM

Boggles wrote: »

It's a simple face covering, not a fúcking flux capacitor.

This should be printed on the side of buses and scroll up the screen after the Angelus. :pac:

shinzon · 07-08-2020 10:34AM

treade1 wrote: »

NPHET and the government will push this further and further while people remain compliant for a virus that in most cases only kills those who are already at deaths door.

Disgusting comment

Shin

07-08-2020 10:35AM

The Unbearables wrote: »

I'm convinced some people are wearing them incorrectly just to stick two fingers up to the gubbbbbbbermint. That's the level of intelligence we are dealing with here.

The amount of people with their nose out is ridiculous - would they wear their underwear with their cock out?

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 10:35AM

Trends not great. Looking like euro wide resurgence.
All of the cases in that chart are not just in meat factories.

In the same way that situation is serious when ICU overwhelmed in a clinical setting,
The spread becomes serious when contract tracing is overwhelmed in absence of a lockdown.

Pitch n Putt · 07-08-2020 10:36AM

The fear is massive in this country absolutely massive. It’s sad to see what this has done to the people of this country.

Gruffalux · 07-08-2020 10:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The amount of people with their nose out is ridiculous - would they wear their underwear with their cock out?

Well, I learned yesterday on this very thread that there are whole areas of the world that do just that.

caveat emptor · 07-08-2020 10:37AM

Boggles wrote: »

The vast vast majority of people I see out and about are wearing them perfectly correct.

Probably because it's a simple face covering, not a fúcking flux capacitor.

Defo troll to distract.

07-08-2020 10:39AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Trends not great. Looking like euro wide resurgence.
All of the cases in that chart are not just in meat factories.

Trend is not great but log scale is worse. Going from 5 to 10 cases per million is not the same as going from 100 to 200.

seamus · 07-08-2020 10:41AM

The public are being softened up for localised restrictions I think. If it's not this evening, then it'll probably be next week. Something along the lines of a complete shutdown of all meat processing within the midlands - Kildare, Laois, Offaly, potentially Meath & Westmeath - a requirement to work from home where at all possible, and to limit travel to within your own county. People outside of the midlands will be advised to not travel to those counties except to pass through.

The problem with this meat processing stuff is that they're likely all dipping into the same pools of poorly paid workers, if not actually shifting workers from plant to plant. So you can't just shut down Carroll's because half of their workers are going home and sharing a ten-bed dorm with people who work in twenty other plants.

Shutting down all meat processing in the country pending formal inspections might be a goer.

petes · 07-08-2020 10:42AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The fear is massive in this country absolutely massive. It’s sad to see what this has done to the people of this country.

Was no fear in my replies to you but you are talking complete nonsense.

Maybe it's your own fear manifesting itself.

Whatever it is there is an awful lot of deflection in your posts.

Pitch n Putt · 07-08-2020 10:44AM

Boggles wrote: »

Very interesting.

Have you a blog or news letter I can subscribe to?

Have you once heard the government mention the number of recovered cases?

The reporting is done in a way to scare people

Eg. 40 cases today bringing the total number of cases on the island to 26500

Still reporting the numbers daily like this when the reality is all that should be reported is the actual number of active cases.

Why keep reporting 26500 and counting when these cases are from the beginning.

It’s to create fear. 26500 flashed across a tv screen has a dramatic effect.

ChikiChiki · 07-08-2020 10:45AM

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

The brainwashing from the media and government has worked a treat. If you don’t wear a mask now you’ll kill your granny.
Unbelievable really how easily people are led.
In the real world the reality is if you’re wearing a mask and breathing droplets into it for any length of time and constantly handling said mask your a higher risk of spreading the virus

Stopped reading at brainwashing from the da meeja and da gubberment

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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