Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 06-08-2020 08:07PM

Can we agree they’re after ****ing up big time with the factories, this was supposed to be under control

Spanish Eyes · 06-08-2020 08:08PM

mean gene wrote: »

There should be a place in each county for isolating where are these people supposed to isolate in fairness

But it is always going to be a voluntary admission, no jackboots here, and on we go with increases and clusters and so on.

mean gene · 06-08-2020 08:08PM

Where are they supposed to isolate all these people who live together

caveat emptor · 06-08-2020 08:09PM

road_high wrote: »

Yes but there’s loads of little backroads to slip through. Especially between laois and Kilkenny the “border” flits in and out all over the place. Impossible to police.

caveat emptor wrote: »

I don't know about you. My drivers license has my address on it?
Just a thought.

caveat emptor wrote: »

You are always going to get dickheads.
Like people who don't quarantine coming back from holidays.
Like people who subsequently feel poorly but go to work anyway and don't tell their employer.
Like people who cause an outbreak.

road_high wrote: »

How do you police the hundreds and hundreds of crossings into say Kilkenny or Carlow if they lockdown these three?
If I’m going to Dublin I transit through Kildare....

road_high wrote: »

thousands leave these counties for work daily. And people the other way. Have two family members that work in portlaoise and kildare. But don’t live there...

So if I understand you right.

you work abroad,
you plan on using the back roads to evade lockdown,
Don't worry, People in Italy were allowed to travel for work.

Main thing for all of us now is don't be a dickhead.

hmmm · 06-08-2020 08:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can we agree they’re after ****ing up big time with the factories, this was supposed to be under control

Who are "they" you trying to blame?

The virus is still circulating across Ireland. It's going to appear in locations, particularly factories. We can't shut everything down, we can't test everyone "just in case", the best we can do is try and limit the spread through our own actions.

niallo27 · 06-08-2020 08:11PM

i_surge wrote: »

What is the end strategy in this make believe "it is here to stay, we have to get back to normal and live with it" world?

Not back to normal no, continue with masks and social distancing and current restrictions. Why is everyone so shocked cases have increased. Every country has followed the same trend.

JP Liz V1 · 06-08-2020 08:12PM

mean gene wrote: »

Where are they supposed to isolate all these people who live together

Citywest?

caveat emptor · 06-08-2020 08:13PM

hmmm wrote: »

Who are "they" you trying to blame?

The virus is still circulating across Ireland. It's going to appear in locations, particularly factories. We can't shut everything down, we can't test everyone "just in case", the best we can do is try and limit the spread through our own actions.

ACitizenErased · 06-08-2020 08:13PM

hmmm wrote: »

Who are "they" you trying to blame?

The virus is still circulating across Ireland. It's going to appear in locations, particularly factories. We can't shut everything down, we can't test everyone "just in case", the best we can do is try and limit the spread through our own actions.

Don’t be trying to make excuses. The factories were supposed to be checked by the HSA. They’ve said that these random checks haven’t even happened. Unacceptable.

Arghus · 06-08-2020 08:14PM

Well, I haven't a clue how things are going to look next week, but the things we should be getting at least a little bit concerned about appear to be adding up.

"Ah, a rise is to be expected once you open up" - check

"Once it's still below a certain amount it's not much to get concerned about" - check

"The positivity rate hasn't increased" - check

The next one to fall should be: "numbers in hospital haven't changed".

Now, some people have a lot of faith that they'll get these clusters under control and everything will be hunky dory and, who knows, that could very well be the case, but the bigger they get the more unwieldy they get, the easier it is for cases to slip through the net.

I don't think we're firmly in shytesville yet, even if cases cross the ton tomorrow, but if you still think there isn't some ominous signs to be discerned by now, then I think you're in denial.

mean gene · 06-08-2020 08:14PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Citywest?

Will that do the whole country

JP Liz V1 · 06-08-2020 08:14PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Tell that to my mate Dave who got Elephants of the balls from an unwashed northsider.

but

06-08-2020 08:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can we agree they’re after ****ing up big time with the factories, this was supposed to be under control

It’s highly likely given the geographical proximity of the 3 counties, the living conditions in direct provision centres and the type of shared accommodation the low paid workers in meat plants have, and that they are likely socialising in similar circles, that the workers seeded the plants a spread it within their communities

mean gene · 06-08-2020 08:17PM

They knew abt these meat factories months ago looks like they done nothing what a sh1t show

JP Liz V1 · 06-08-2020 08:19PM

mean gene wrote: »

Will that do the whole country

Start with Kildare cluster to isolate maybe other vacant hotels could be offered up, how many has Bono got

ACitizenErased · 06-08-2020 08:19PM

The HSA have a lot to answer for. Its unacceptable.

GooglePlus · 06-08-2020 08:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can we agree they’re after ****ing up big time with the factories, this was supposed to be under control

You can blame all you want but if it wasn't those factories first, it would've been somewhere else.

That's what happens in a free moving society in the grips of a contagious virus that 95% of the country hasn't contracted yet.

froog · 06-08-2020 08:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Don’t be trying to make excuses. The factories were supposed to be checked by the HSA. They’ve said that these random checks haven’t even happened. Unacceptable.

there are 67 HSA inspectors in the whole country. they literally can't check all the factories all the time. what was published was very clear and detailed workplace guidance that clearly some businesses did not follow. you can't blame the government for everything.

hmmm · 06-08-2020 08:20PM

mean gene wrote: »

They knew abt these meat factories months ago looks like they done nothing what a sh1t show

What do you mean they have "done nothing"? They've been contact tracing since they were initially notified. Who are you giving out about?

BrianD3 · 06-08-2020 08:20PM

road_high wrote: »

Was there any negotiation on the WFH? The public service are very old fashioned and have that chain to desk mentality ingrained.
I believe if anyone can do the job as well at home then they should have the option or at least shared time WFH office combination

It varies wildly depending on what public body or department you are in. In some departments, the hinting to get back to the office started in early June. Then the hinting became pressure. The more junior and shorter serving staff were targeted initially. Some had not been provided with equipment (a laptop with the correct security basically) to WFH effectively, this was then used against them to order them back to the office. But even more senior staff who had laptops were being pressured by late June.

There was very little negotiation. Unions proved useless. The whole thing caused a great deal of distress to people who had (and still have) difficulties with the logistics of childcare and/or who were living with vulnerable relatives etc.

hmmm · 06-08-2020 08:22PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

You can blame all you want but if it wasn't those factories first, it would've been somewhere else.

That's what happens in a free moving society in the grips of a contagious virus that 95% of the country hasn't contracted yet.

It's a lot easier to blame "someone else". Meanwhile the government is getting no end of abuse for not opening pubs, and lots of people think social distancing is a joke to be ignored.

Cases don't pop up in factories out of nowhere.

alwald · 06-08-2020 08:23PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The HSA have a lot to answer for. Its unacceptable.

You are jumping to conclusions quickly without any evidence that it's the HSA's fault.

caveat emptor · 06-08-2020 08:23PM

It seems like we have misunderestimated this virus again.

thelad95 · 06-08-2020 08:24PM

Things are beginning to trend very badly. I would vainly consider myself one of the more rational posters on here but even the most enthusiastic must now be beginning to see that things are trending very very badly in the wrong direction.

Clusters are fine when they're a once off that can flush through the system within two weeks and be forgotten about. Realistically NPHET and the HSE knew about these clusters a few days before we did so we're nearly three weeks down the road with some of them (namely the Newbridge one) and there is still large numbers being connected to them.

What's even more worrying is that the source of these clusters (direct provision, meat factories, halting sites to a certain extent) are all organisations that the HSA and like minded authorities should have fairly heavy hands in ordinarily and even more so during a global health emergency the likes of which has never been seen. It begs a question WHAT ARE THEY DOING???

Meanwhile, I know I criticize a lot of people and the media for rambling on about travel but we are months behind other countries in their pro-active common sense approach of testing incoming passengers while we insist on a paddy whackery approach of "please restrict your movements" a nonsense vague guidance with absolutely zero enforcement.

SEPT 23 1989 · 06-08-2020 08:24PM

The schools going back will be like a bomb going off

Speading into homes like wildfire by October

It's a horrible situation and there is nothing we can do

They need education

SimonTemplar · 06-08-2020 08:25PM

There was some emphasis on house parties during the conference which is probably one of the most reckless and selfish activities a person can engage in at the moment.

It is pathetic that social media influencers are deemed the most effective way of getting this message across to younger people.

fr336 · 06-08-2020 08:25PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Not all it's cracked up to be. Bullying, beatings, harassment, mistreatment, disrespect, insecurity, depression, abuse, vicious rumours...All I've experienced from people throughout my life. It used to eat me up alive.

All of it still hurts but, in terms of worry, I literally couldn't give a **** anymore. If I'm evicted tomorrow, I don't care. If I get beaten up tomorrow, I don't care. It leaves you with a lack of energy, lack of confidence, lack of enthusiasm for anything.

The two things in life I found happiness in, the two escapisms I had in life, the virus took them from me so, to me, I have zero energy for caring anymore.

I realise that I've gone off an a tangent here but, to bring it back, that doesn't mean I don't care about others. Christ no! Any place I go, I always wear a mask, wash my hands and I always sit away from others. If I'm with people I make sure it's two people I know well so, if I got it, I know I am not spreading it to others and they'll be the first to know if anything happens so they can isolate.

Not really sure what the original point of this post was tbh

Hey I just wanted to say hope you're okay and things will get better, including this virus. And also that there are lots of truly huge arseholes in the world. But there are also those worth their weight in gold who only have to look at the bullies to reduce them to the small knobs they are.

mean gene · 06-08-2020 08:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

What do you mean they have "done nothing"? They've been contact tracing since they were initially notified. Who are you giving out about?

Everyone

drunkmonkey · 06-08-2020 08:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

What do you mean they have "done nothing"? They've been contact tracing since they were initially notified. Who are you giving out about?

If they closed the f"n borders we'd have a lot less dead of cancer. They've done f all.

hmmm · 06-08-2020 08:27PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If they closed the f"n borders we'd have a lot less dead of cancer. They've done f all.

Kildare is not full of Texan tourists working in dogfood plants. You're looking for someone else to blame, it's time to look at our own actions.

Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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