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Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

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  • #6572
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I know this is a crazy place to ask for advice but I can't really bring this to my family because it's personal, so any insight appreciated.

    Basically I'm in the depths of depression (like a lot of other people). I haven't left the house in five months except to care for my high-risk relatives. I didn't get to do anything I enjoy during my annual leave because it was crap weather for the whole time so I didn't get out to the garden much. My life is just work to earn money, work for my family, sleep. At the weekends it's more family demands and fall into bed exhausted and mostly just want to die.

    So this weekend a friend of mine suggested I go camping with a small group and I jumped at the invitation. It's perfect, outdoors with my own personal accommodation and loads of space to distance out. I can retreat to my space or even leave entirely if I decide that it's not safe and I need to.

    I mentioned it to my relative, thinking they'd be happy that I have something fun to look forward to, jaysis I was majorly wrong. They seem determined to prevent me from going now and they're badgering me relentlessly since I told them.

    I'm a fairly hurt because they're happy enough for me to go and wait in a pharmacy to get their medication but they seem fairly incensed by the idea of me taking some time to relax myself in what I would regard as an extremely low-risk situation. I'm probably not going to go now, not because of any risk but just because I won't enjoy it knowing that I'll get berated for my actions next week.

    It's a quite mad situation that I never envisaged myself in and it's kind of put how pathetic my life is in perspective.

    I have to say that the shoe is now on the other foot. You have been constantly telling people on this forum to follow restrictions, wear masks, etc for the sake of others. Now, you are being told what to do by others for their sake.

    That said, you say that you are depressed, that is something that you need to address. I understand that you feel a strong sense of responsibility towards your relatives, but think of it like the notice above your head on an airplane: 'Put your own oxygen mask on before you attend to your children's mask'. You need to be well in order to care for those people. Take your well-earned break and you will be better able to care for them when you get back. They are very lucky people to have you caring so diligently for them. BTW your life is not pathetic, on the contrary, it has a lot of meaning that many others search for.


  • #6573
    smurfjed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,698 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I'm fully in favour of quarantine but I'd do it differently. I think you quarantine and test people, if they pass the test them let them off on their holiday but if you fail you stay quarantined until you go home.

    Out of the 26000 cases in Ireland, how many were attributed to non-essential travel ?


  • #6574
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Out of the 26000 cases in Ireland, how many were attributed to non-essential travel ?

    The majority of them would be my guess.


  • #6575
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    There's a difference in that we have an open border with another country. You can literally drive across the open border, completely different than New Zealand.

    Nobody is advocating destroying the open border. UK and Ireland approach makes most sense.
    Remember every single eu country closed it's border in some form to get this under control.
    Numbers don't look great so will probably happen again.

    I'd say a winter. of discontent could see the political will being formed.
    Why not avoid that and safely allow kids back to school.
    Have a safe Christmas.
    We know this virus loves cosy indoors.

    https://twitter.com/ZeroCOVIDIsland/status/1284415035914190848?s=20


  • #6576
    Sconsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭Sconsey


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Out of the 26000 cases in Ireland, how many were attributed to non-essential travel ?

    The Covid tracker app attributes 2% of infections as spread from 'travel abroad'.


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  • #6577
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I know this is a crazy place to ask for advice but I can't really bring this to my family because it's personal, so any insight appreciated.

    Basically I'm in the depths of depression (like a lot of other people). I haven't left the house in five months except to care for my high-risk relatives. I didn't get to do anything I enjoy during my annual leave because it was crap weather for the whole time so I didn't get out to the garden much. My life is just work to earn money, work for my family, sleep. At the weekends it's more family demands and fall into bed exhausted and mostly just want to die.

    So this weekend a friend of mine suggested I go camping with a small group and I jumped at the invitation. It's perfect, outdoors with my own personal accommodation and loads of space to distance out. I can retreat to my space or even leave entirely if I decide that it's not safe and I need to.

    I mentioned it to my relative, thinking they'd be happy that I have something fun to look forward to, jaysis I was majorly wrong. They seem determined to prevent me from going now and they're badgering me relentlessly since I told them.

    I'm a fairly hurt because they're happy enough for me to go and wait in a pharmacy to get their medication but they seem fairly incensed by the idea of me taking some time to relax myself in what I would regard as an extremely low-risk situation. I'm probably not going to go now, not because of any risk but just because I won't enjoy it knowing that I'll get berated for my actions next week.

    It's a quite mad situation that I never envisaged myself in and it's kind of put how pathetic my life is in perspective.

    Life's too short, you did your fair dues it's time to look after yourself first for once. Hope it all ends well.


  • #6578
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    smurfjed wrote: »
    Out of the 26000 cases in Ireland, how many were attributed to non-essential travel ?
    Depends on whether you mean international travel or domestic :)

    They don't give figures for "non-essential" travel, just foreign travel overall. It's been 2-3% for months now, so of the 26,000 cases it's unlikely to be more than 3%. And then only a fraction of that 3% is non-essential travel.


  • #6579
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    All 26,000 if possible would be tracked back to international travel.

    It's what the NZ model is based on.


  • #6580
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Boggles wrote: »
    All 26,000 if possible would be tracked back to international travel.

    It's what the NZ model is based on.
    You're trying to make it sound more cerebral than "The virus didn't originate in Ireland". You can say the same for virtually all pathogens.

    It's not in any way useful to suggest that international travel is the cause of all of our cases. It's what Italy did at the start - they stopped flights while taking no internal precautions, and they got hit insanely hard for it.

    Knowing how many people landed while infected, and how many became infected while in Ireland, is essential to know where to focus efforts. Spending all of our time and effort hermetically sealing the Island is of fvck all use to us if 98% of our new cases are arising on the island.


  • #6581
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,898 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Boggles wrote: »
    All 26,000 if possible would be tracked back to international travel.

    As they could ultimately be in every country except China I suppose...


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  • #6582
    s1ippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    yermandan wrote: »
    The berating seems like it will be there regardless of whether you go or not so absolutely go, and somewhere where you can switch the phone off and recharge yourself.
    The berating will continue until morale improves :D

    Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to just go and say I didn't; my partner will cover for me. I badly need to just get out of town. Even having just made that decision, my outlook is so much better. I was just so looking forward to it and it's as close as I can think of to a "no-risk" situation. If there is any level of risk, I'm free to just leave so that makes it virtually no risk (unless I've misjudged the people I'm going with and they're chasing me around coughing at me or something).

    As for polesheep's nasty "comeuppance for telling others what to do" message, the difference in my situation is that I'm still in the mindset of protecting others. Advising people to wear masks to protect others shouldn't mean that somebody has ill-fated consequences, but it really says a lot about you that you'd kick somebody when they're down like that, seemingly to big yourself and your weird agenda up.

    I'm heading on Friday evening after dropping a relative to an appointment. Haha I hope they don't need to put anything in the boot because then the jig will be up. I'll post pictures of the camp on Monday. :D


  • #6583
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    seamus wrote: »
    You're trying to make it sound more cerebral than "The virus didn't originate in Ireland". You can say the same for virtually all pathogens.

    It didn't.

    That's the premise of the eradicate and quarantine model. It's a plan for after the fact.


  • #6584
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Do you think muddying waters is fun?
    Confounding the utility of serological testing with immunity passports?
    Do you think that confounding aerosol generating procedures and the fact that someone got it in a restaurant is a bit confusing?

    I mean how did 8000 healthcare workers get it 32% of all of our cases?
    What happened there, if as you say the WHO warned it was airborne?
    You weren't even able to talk about airborne on this thread until a month ago, it was in the rules.
    Most didn't do any aerosol generating procedures

    I think you are a WUM and I think you deliberately try to confuse people in the hope of derailing any constructive discussion.

    For the sake of everyone here.
    I'll ignore you if you ignore me.

    ignored.

    Constructive discussion is not you being right and shouting lalalalala everytime someone does not agree with your mighty intellect.

    Official WHO FAQ on transmission in a medical environment through airborne particles:
    Some medical procedures can produce very small droplets (called aerosolized droplet nuclei or aerosols) that are able to stay suspended in the air for longer periods of time. When such medical procedures are conducted on people infected with COVID-19 in health facilities, these aerosols can contain the COVID-19 virus. These aerosols may potentially be inhaled by others if they are not wearing appropriate personal protective equipment. Therefore, it is essential that all health workers performing these medical procedures take specific airborne protection measures, including using appropriate personal protective equipment. Visitors should not be permitted in areas where such medical procedures are being performed.


  • #6585
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Boggles wrote: »
    All 26,000 if possible would be tracked back to international travel.

    It's what the NZ model is based on.

    Have you seen this?

    https://www.mobs-lab.org/2019ncov.html

    Check out the interactive analysis platform.
    Shows the probability of it spreading based on travel patterns.
    It's what they used in the modelling.
    Basically the number of cases win wuhan and the fact cases exported in several cities meant they could model the underlying distribution.

    It's also why UK implemented the quarantine with no notice.


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  • #6586
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,313 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    s1ippy wrote: »

    It's a quite mad situation that I never envisaged myself in and it's kind of put how pathetic my life is in perspective.

    Look after yourself too, this is a stressful time for everyone, stay strong take care relax and enjoy yourself, have a break
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #6587
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    seamus wrote: »
    You're trying to make it sound more cerebral than "The virus didn't originate in Ireland". You can say the same for virtually all pathogens.

    You obviously haven't been to Abrakebabra.


  • #6588
    Queried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Queried


    s1ippy wrote: »
    I know this is a crazy place to ask for advice but I can't really bring this to my family because it's personal, so any insight appreciated.

    Basically I'm in the depths of depression (like a lot of other people). I haven't left the house in five months except to care for my high-risk relatives. I didn't get to do anything I enjoy during my annual leave because it was crap weather for the whole time so I didn't get out to the garden much. My life is just work to earn money, work for my family, sleep. At the weekends it's more family demands and fall into bed exhausted and mostly just want to die.

    So this weekend a friend of mine suggested I go camping with a small group and I jumped at the invitation. It's perfect, outdoors with my own personal accommodation and loads of space to distance out. I can retreat to my space or even leave entirely if I decide that it's not safe and I need to.

    I mentioned it to my relative, thinking they'd be happy that I have something fun to look forward to, jaysis I was majorly wrong. They seem determined to prevent me from going now and they're badgering me relentlessly since I told them.

    I'm a fairly hurt because they're happy enough for me to go and wait in a pharmacy to get their medication but they seem fairly incensed by the idea of me taking some time to relax myself in what I would regard as an extremely low-risk situation. I'm probably not going to go now, not because of any risk but just because I won't enjoy it knowing that I'll get berated for my actions next week.

    It's a quite mad situation that I never envisaged myself in and it's kind of put how pathetic my life is in perspective.

    Hi s1ippy,

    I hope you're okay. Sounds like your situation has been very stressful. Fair play to you for putting your own needs aside for so long; 5 months is a very long time to live without getting to do anything you enjoy.

    I agree with other posters (and you) that the situation you have described sounds incredibly low-risk. The fact that you jumped at the invitation shows that it is something that you really want, even need at this point.

    Your relatives are probably afraid as you have restricted your movements for so long but I think you are being very reasonable. It's a shame that their badgering has put you off but maybe you could have a word, remind them of what you've sacrificed and explain how important it is for you to have some time to relax?

    Also, if you are feeling very down, maybe consider a chat with your gp. These are very stressful times and there are supports out there if you are feeling very low. Take care.


  • #6589
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,313 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Boggles wrote: »
    Tell them go fúck themselves.

    Proudly announce you are going shíttíng in a bucket for the weekend and you will see them all on Monday.

    ROTFL :D what a way with words you have Boggles, funny very funny
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #6590
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    thelad95 wrote: »
    From what I gather on the Wexford forum, the 11 cases are all linked to a halting site, another predictable cluster source.

    I do have to admit my heart jumped a little yesterday as I thought they could have been random community transmission.

    Knew it wasn't as the report yesterday stated only 4 cases had been identified as community transmission across Ireland. 4th day in a row for such a low number.


  • #6591
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggles wrote: »
    Just on this. New Zealand is an Island as is Ireland, it doesn't really matter if you are 4000 miles away from the next land mass or 40.

    How people get to the island is exactly the same. So in reality we have the same physical barrier.

    The difference between us and NZ is politics and the bit at the top.

    That's what makes it virtual impossible, but not completely impossible.

    And the fact that we typically get almost 1 million arrivals per month and they get just over 300k, with most of ours coming from areas with significant outbreaks in February and March this year.


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  • #6592
    seanb85
    Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And the fact that we typically get almost 1 million arrivals per month and they get just over 300k, with most of ours coming from areas with significant outbreaks in February and March this year.

    They had numerous direct flights from China...


  • #6593
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    That’s really tough S1ppy, I hope you can get to go on the trip. Families can suck balls! Easier said than done, but you really should go, take the time out. Maybe if possible, try get out even for a coffee, juice, walk outside by yourself when you are home. This Covid sh1te can be very draining especially when all the things we took for granted as outlets are gone.
    Really hope you have a great wend away.


  • #6594
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    s1ippy wrote: »
    The berating will continue until morale improves :D

    Thanks for all the replies. I'm going to just go and say I didn't; my partner will cover for me. I badly need to just get out of town. Even having just made that decision, my outlook is so much better. I was just so looking forward to it and it's as close as I can think of to a "no-risk" situation. If there is any level of risk, I'm free to just leave so that makes it virtually no risk (unless I've misjudged the people I'm going with and they're chasing me around coughing at me or something).

    As for polesheep's nasty "comeuppance for telling others what to do" message, the difference in my situation is that I'm still in the mindset of protecting others. Advising people to wear masks to protect others shouldn't mean that somebody has ill-fated consequences, but it really says a lot about you that you'd kick somebody when they're down like that, seemingly to big yourself and your weird agenda up.

    I'm heading on Friday evening after dropping a relative to an appointment. Haha I hope they don't need to put anything in the boot because then the jig will be up. I'll post pictures of the camp on Monday. :D

    I have no weird agenda and no need to big myself up. You were happy to complain about others trying to get on with their life, even complaining about joggers at one stage. But you just go right ahead and be two-faced when it suits you. Of course, that's assuming everything you wrote about your upcoming trip is true. I'm still looking forward to your biography.


  • #6595
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    seanb85 wrote: »
    They had numerous direct flights from China...


    Yeah but the probability of spreading was tiny compared to what's happening now in Europe with everyone on their holidays. It still spread though.

    It's a graph and it's not so important the point to point connections rather the fabric of connections.
    If I plug in numbers for feb there was a 0.02% chance of spreading which looks small but if I put 1000 cases in Spain the probability of spreading here (without quarantine) etc is 1%. i.e 50 times more probable of having an imported case.

    Our measures now definitely reduce that probably of spreading further especially if people observe quarantine etc.
    Doesn't take long for this thing to explode though as cases grow.

    1imported asymptomatic case can lead to
    4 community transmission which can lead to
    4 clusters in schools and potentially
    thousands of cases and schools closing.

    The whole Ryanair talking point "This is not a travel related illness" makes no sense. It's besides the point.

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  • #6596
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    LATEST TESTING UPDATE

    Tests conducted last 24 hours: 4833
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 23919
    Additional positive tests: 73
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.4%


  • #6597
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    73 positive swabs today. Obviously may not mean 73 additional cases.


  • #6598
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    In regards to hospital numbers and focusing on the drop of 17 confirmed cases to 9 last night we have journalists running with the suspected cases and talking about significant increase. They clearly feed off fear mongering.

    Today we could go a full week without a reported death, how many news outlets will run with that headline though?


  • #6599
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,762 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Always_Running wrote: »
    In regards to hospital numbers and focusing on the the drop of 17 confirmed cases to 9 last night we have journalists running with the suspected cases and talking about significant increase. They clearly feed off fear mongering.

    Today we could go a full week without a reported death, how many news outlets will run with that headline though?
    Virgin media have been shocking for the past 2 weeks


  • #6600
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    LATEST TESTING UPDATE

    Tests conducted last 24 hours: 4833
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 23919
    Additional positive tests: 73
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.4%

    Changed the layout of the hub too.


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  • #6601
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    LATEST TESTING UPDATE

    Tests conducted last 24 hours: 4833
    Tests conducted last 7 days: 23919
    Additional positive tests: 73
    Positivity Rate last 7 days: 1.4%

    It's growing


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